mstrox 6,651 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-the-bad-batch-series-announce The next SW animated series. Based on what is not my absolute favorite TCW run, but if the quality from TCW continues it’ll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Not that I watched any TV content from this franchise (or indeed ever will) but let me get this straight: they're doing a spinoff series off of a spinoff series? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Yeah, it's fine. A spin-off (Bad Batch) of a spin-off (TCW) of a spin-off (prequel trilogy). They do it all the time - the SW comics and books spin off characters into their own comics, books, etc, and cross-pollenate with the animation and film media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Using this logic, everything Star Wars except for the original trilogy are spin-offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Everything except the original movie is a spin-off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 That is Chen G's logic mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 The original Star Wars film is just an adaptation of Alan Dean Foster's book! mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Jay said: That is Chen G's logic Not quite. I tend to distinguish between direct sequels, direct prequels (which are both direct in the sense that they form one continuous storyline) and spinoffs (which are asides, so to speak), and I'm generally fine with all three. But a spinoff of a spinoff? That's when I start feeling someone's sucking a property dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 You start feeling that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 With Star Wars? Nah. Its been like that for a while. But still, a spinoff of a spinoff is pushing it even further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Chen your arbitrary rules will never cease to amaze me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 At some point a big franchise is no long a "main story" with occasional "side stories", it's just a big universe with lots of stories to tell. Doesn't need to be any more complicated than that. Arpy, Manakin Skywalker and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Some franchises are like that. They're anthologies, like James Bond. Some aren't: they're cycles (or "sagas") which tell one story across multiple entries. Obviously its not binary. The MCU is an anthology, but has quite a few cyclical threads running through its disparate entries, and Star Wars is a cycle, but its entries are relatively standalone AND it has anthological entries like The Clone Wars or Rogue One that do somehow fit into the cycle. You can think of them as episodes 2.5 and 3.5 and you wouldn't be too far off. But when you get into stuff like Solo or a spinoff TV show of a spinoff TV show, that's where it starts to get too anthological for my tastes. I much prefer cycles to anthologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 You must be fun at parties The Illustrious Jerry and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Oh, you'd be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2020 I can imagine Chen now, at a house party with booming music, dancing, and booze. He sees a girl by herself, puffs out his chest, and walks over, then shouts over the music, "Hey, babe! What's your favorite film? Mine is Lord of the Rings! See, they might seem to be three separate movies but their simultaneous filming and production actually make them one large film! And don't get me started on Braveheart! Yeah, go ahead and refill your cup, I'll wait here!" Chen G., Manakin Skywalker, Jay and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2020 Then Mattress crashes it. Chen G., Demodex and Nick Parker 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Chen G. said: Not that I watched any TV content from this franchise (or indeed ever will) but let me get this straight: they're doing a spinoff series off of a spinoff series? The Clone Wars 2: Rise of a Warrior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 About the galaxy map...there was an old eu map that made much more sense... In the new one...there are so many "important" planets from the clone wars (many long battles fought there mon cala, ryloth...) that are completely far out in the outer rim... And mon calamari were an important species its another far planet... Tattooine is not in hutt space? Lothal is so important for the empire in rebels...yet another far rim planet... And definately as noted...tattoine is not in the way from naboo to cosruscant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 The best SW maps I’ve seen are from a 00s fan site by “Modi”. Unfortunately, all his maps were hosted on ImageShack, and no longer exist there. Luckily, they hired him to work on The Essential Atlas. But the maps on the site were more pleasant and usable than the ones in the book, IMO: The locations of Naboo and Tatooine go back to the very first official map, from the 1998 “Behind the Magic” software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Pellaeon said: the very first official map, from the 1998 “Behind the Magic” software. Huh, a few of the names on that map don't appear in the films, to the best of my memory. Makes you wonder of George Lucas had one or two of those in mind as would-be locations for Episode II and III back in 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Well, let’s see. STAR WARS Tatooine Alderaan Dantooine Corellia (implied) Kessel Yavin HOLIDAY SPECIAL Kashyyyk EMPIRE Hoth Ord Mantell Dagobah Bespin JEDI Endor Mon Calamari (implied) HEIR TO THE EMPIRE Coruscant Kashyyyk (confirmed) DARK EMPIRE Nal Hutta and its moon Nar Shaddaa Mon Calamari (shown) PHANTOM MENACE Naboo Coruscant (confirmed) So I think what’s happening is that the OT really doesn’t name very many planets, so when you see something like Ord Mantell, it’s just that they are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find a familiar name and make the Galaxy seem a little more thought out. Then they further buffed it out with including obvious if “EU” homeworlds for the major species like the Hutts, Mon Calamari, and Wookiees. But I also don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine that someone wanted to show Tatooine in the influence of the Hutts ahead of TPM, or that George planned to use Kashyyyk in the PT, probably more than he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Behind the Magic also had the weapons test and Princess Leia fashion show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 RUMOR MILL: Hayden Christensen Will Reportedly Play A Key Role In Disney+ OBI-WAN KENOBI TV Series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Sounds like more fake news. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 They had a recent release where a Hayden appearance would have made a ton of sense, and this ain't it. I watched the last four episodes of TCW this week, and holy moly did I love it! Among the best of the best from that series! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 19 hours ago, Pellaeon said: Then they further buffed it out with including obvious if “EU” homeworlds for the major species like the Hutts, Mon Calamari, and Wookiees. But I also don’t think it’s a stretch to imagine that someone wanted to show Tatooine in the influence of the Hutts ahead of TPM, or that George planned to use Kashyyyk in the PT, probably more than he did. Its those EU planets that I didn't recognize and so thought Lucas might have had in mind. Kashyyyk is also a very probable candidate. I could imagine a version of the projected storyline for the prequel trilogy in 1998 where Shmi is carried off not to the desert on her planet, but to a nearby planet, and that Hutt planet on the map could have done the trick in Lucas' mind. I doubt it went any deeper than that kind of thinking, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 2:41 AM, Luke Skywalker said: tattoine is not in the way from naboo to cosruscant... How could it be if it's in the Outer Rim and Naboo isn't? It was near Naboo, not between Naboo and Coruscant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Demodex said: How could it be if it's in the Outer Rim and Naboo isn't? It was near Naboo, not between Naboo and Coruscant. But they were on their way to Coruscant, and had to make an emergency stop on a nearby planet (which ended up being Tatooine). So logically speaking, Tatooine should have been between Naboo and Coruscant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I'm too tired to argue, but it's impossible for Tatooine to be between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Demodex said: I'm too tired to argue, but it's impossible for Tatooine to be between them. I'm not saying it's impossible (considering Naboo apparently isn't in the outer rim). But the point is that it should have been between Naboo and Coruscant in order to make sense for the film. Even if that means Naboo should be rewritten to be in the outer rim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 If they couldn't make the jump to hyperspace after escaping the blockade then they probably just went to the nearest planet. It didn't have to be between them and Coruscant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, Demodex said: If they couldn't make the jump to hyperspace after escaping the blockade then they probably just went to the nearest planet. It didn't have to be between them and Coruscant. Possibly. But Tatooine certainly isn't the nearest planet; in fact it's quite far out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Demodex said: If they couldn't make the jump to hyperspace after escaping the blockade then they probably just went to the nearest planet. It didn't have to be between them and Coruscant. They wanted to get away from the Trade Federation. As Qui Gon implies, Tatooine is controlled by the Hutts, and out of the Federation's jurisdiction. Remember; they needed to hide. Either that, or the force directed them there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Why would we listen to what they say in the actual movie when there’s a map to grouse about!? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Either that, or the force directed them there. The Force can have a strong influence on plot-holes. Edmilson and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Is The Force a McGuffin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 McWho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 That someone drew a map - either 20 years before or 20 years after the movie was made - and that the movie 100 % doesn’t adhere to that map, is hardly a make-it-or-break-it moment for a movie as flawed as TPM. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 3:53 AM, Pellaeon said: STAR WARS Tatooine Alderaan Dantooine Corellia (implied) Kessel Yavin JEDI Endor Mon Calamari (implied) At the beginning of both STAR WARS, and RETURN OF THE JEDI, there are two planets seen. Does anyone know what these are called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 On 7/13/2020 at 8:35 PM, Chen G. said: Not that I watched any TV content from this franchise (or indeed ever will) but let me get this straight: they're doing a spinoff series off of a spinoff series? Perhaps the Bad Batch series is more a sequel to The Clone Wars? After all, those actual wars ended with Order 66; but that doesn't have to mean that story suddenly stops. Rebels is both a spin-off of the movies and a sequel to The Clone Wars too. But there's plenty of space (hehe) between the end of TCW and the start of Rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: At the beginning of both STAR WARS, and RETURN OF THE JEDI, there are two planets seen. Does anyone know what these are called? Tatooine and Endor. On 7/14/2020 at 9:53 PM, Pellaeon said: JEDI Endor Mon Calamari (implied) Sullust, not Mon Calamari. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Tatooine and Endor. Very funny (!). There are two planets visible behind the star destroyers, in the second shot of ROTJ, and there are two planets visible in the opening shot of SW. Does anyone know what these are called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Very funny (!). There are two planets visible behind the star destroyers, in the second shot of ROTJ, and there are two planets visible in the opening shot of SW. Does anyone know what these are called? According to Wookieepedia, the moons of Tatooine are Ghomrassen, Guermessa, and Chenini (the first two are in the opening shot of ANH, all three appear in the night shots in AOTC). As for Endor, the small red moon has never been named. I found some threads of people arguing what it could be, most people agreeing it probably wasn't the planet Endor. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 The new Star Wars trilogy will begin in 2023: Quote UNTITLED STAR WARS (Disney) previously dated on 12/16/22 moves to 12/22/23 UNTITLED STAR WARS (Disney) previously dated on 12/20/24 moves to 12/19/25 UNTITLED STAR WARS (Disney) previously dated on 12/18/26 moves to 12/17/27 https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/disney-release-calendar-changes-mulan-french-dispatch-star-wars-avatar-1234575953/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 There's no reason to assume that's a trilogy of films. It could be three separate productions IE the Kevin Feige film, the Taika Waititi film, the Old Republic film, the High republic film, the first of the Rian Johnson trilogy, etc. They have at least 5 different films in development right now and haven't said which will be produced first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Maybe, yeah. Of all the in development Star Wars movies, the only ones announced as a trilogy were Rian Johnson's, and I don't see that happening. In any case, it's hard to care about new SW movies now without Williams involved. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: In any case, it's hard to care about new SW movies now without Williams involved. I disagree. I liked Rogue One and I loved Solo. The movies and the scores. Unlike you guys I see movies for the film, not the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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