indy4 155 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 On one hand, it's Horner's most successful score. On the other, I've read some negative attitudes towards it from Horner fans and others. What do we think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 It's a good score but it's no Legends of the Fall or Apollo 13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,242 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I really dig the motif in "Leaving Port", but the rest of it is simply serviceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 It's better than everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 It is one of his most original scores and arguable one of his greatest effort.I gave it 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I still want the complete score with all the film versions. It's irritating that there's a bunch of extra re-recorded music and music inspired by the film that I tend to skip on the original album and Back to Titanic, but the film versions of Southampton, The Portrait, the opening scenes, Jack and Fabrizio catching the ship, Jack and Rose running from Lovejoy and other bits and pieces have never surfaced. I don't know what the hell the anniversary version is supposed to be, but I don't even want the music on discs 3 and 4. That bastard Horner knows we want the music, too. I doubt we'll ever get it. Bilbo and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I don't quite mind it, I tend to be drawn to the tracks towards the end -The Sinking, Death of Titanic and from Back to Titanic, A Building Panic. For the most part it's typical Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I prefer the original: Marian Schedenig and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Well, that's quite a disparate poll... KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not sure how to rate it. Part of me wants to give it 1, other part - 10. But it's neither as well.EDIT: Oh I see nobody voted for 2 yet.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I still want the complete score with all the film versions. It's irritating that there's a bunch of extra re-recorded music and music inspired by the film that I tend to skip on the original album and Back to Titanic, but the film versions of Southampton, The Portrait, the opening scenes, Jack and Fabrizio catching the ship, Jack and Rose running from Lovejoy and other bits and pieces have never surfaced. I don't know what the hell the anniversary version is supposed to be, but I don't even want the music on discs 3 and 4. That bastard Horner knows we want the music, too. I doubt we'll ever get it.Pretty much. I'm not normally one to moan about incomplete presentations, but I'd buy a new album if it had everything from the movie and in chronological order. And with no annoying extended/unused material tacked on. At least it'd be easy to skip all the repetitious Rose material, which hasn't aged to well (it's mostly too cheesy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 One third good, one third crap, the rest somewhere in between. I gave it a 3. I prefer the original: Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 I'd of given it a 10 if it weren't for some of the stolen material. I think it's really great.Other than the Enya rips, what do people dislike about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted September 12, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 12, 2014 Terrific score. I don't know how many have seen the following interview with Don Davis from years ago, but I thought it provided some interesting insight into the scoring process.http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/07/17/interview-with-composer-don-davis-part-3-of-4PLUME: On a side note to Horner, you worked with him on Titanic. There was a very famous rift between Horner and James Cameron after Aliens. Was any residual of that evident in what you observed between Horner and Cameron on Titanic? It was originally a falling out based on their differing views on the music for Aliens, wasn't it? DAVIS: No, I think it was a little more than that. It was music too, but Jim Cameron is a very tough guy to work for. Actually, I gained a lot of respect for Horner during Titanic, because Horner was accommodating Cameron in ways that I thought a composer the stature of Horner had no reason to accommodate anyone. He completely handled the situation with absolute humility and professionalism. I don't think there are very many composers who would have acquiesced to Jim Cameron the way Horner did. Horner gave Jim exactly what he wanted. I think there are some people who think that the Titanic score may be overly simplistic, or some people object to the Celtic nature of it, or whatever, but I can tell you that if any other composer had scored that picture, Jim would have fired him and at least four other composers before he got what he wanted. Horner was determined that that would not happen, and it didn't happen, and I think it was the best score that Jim would ever allow into that picture. For that reason, I think he deserves all the Academy Awards and accolades that he got. PLUME: I think that's a perspective that not very many people saw in that. DAVIS: Well, you kind-of had to be there to see it. I mean, it was magnificent. PLUME: It was surprising to a lot of people that Horner would even work with Cameron again after Aliens. DAVIS: I can't really say, because I wasn't there all that much. I would go to Horner's place, pick up the sketches, he'd talk me through them, I'd do them, and I was done. I do know that I made a lot of extra money on that show, because the picture kept changing and Cameron kept making changes, and as the sketches changed, they kept coming back to me to change the orchestration and I'd get more money. That was just fine as far as I was concerned. Through that process, I could see that he was accommodating this director. He was really bending over backwards to do everything that Jim wanted him to do. I couldn't picture a composer of the stature of John Williams doing that, well, maybe he would but there gets to be a point when it's too much. PLUME: Isn't it the job of the composer to conform to the director's view of the film? What line is there that demarcates when it's not worth the hassle? DAVIS: There are situations where directors give composers directives just to give them directives. Just to show "who's boss in this room." PLUME: Is it the film version of busy work?DAVIS: Sure. Go outside and dig a 20-foot hole and then fill it up again. Composers, whether they are or not, certainly like to view themselves as being creative and having a contribution to make to the process. There are some personalities, fortunately they are few, that seem to want to negate that. There's a point where it becomes too much of an insult to bear. If a composer is very highly successful, and James Horner certainly is, that means that he has to take less of that kind of abuse than a composer who is not of that stature. From my limited vantage point, it seemed like changes were coming in just for the sake of changes to come in, and I was wondering, as I was picking up these changed sketches, why Horner was going to such lengths to make this guy happy. Once the film came out, I understood perfectly. That's another tribute to James Horner, because he has not only an amazing visceral insight into what a film needs musically, but he knows how these situations work and he knows when to do something and when not to do something. You've got to hand it to the guy. Incanus, Smeltington, Dole and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Interesting. Thanks for sharing.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Titanic is a stunning score, one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Other than the Enya rips, what do people dislike about it? The general schmaltziness, although I like the harder edged stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 My favourite moment of Titanic score is the actual sinking scene (from 6:50). It's a very eerie and scary moment - all those ghostly synths: Karol MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 The bit where he quotes SCHINDLER'S LIST? I like that moment too, especially the Seagull Effect on the strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted September 13, 2014 Author Share Posted September 13, 2014 The bit where he quotes SCHINDLER'S LIST? You mean Mahler's 9th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 The bit where he quotes SCHINDLER'S LIST? You mean Mahler's 9th? That yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Personally, I don't find it a bad score--it's perfectly serviceable--but far from his best.The bit where he quotes SCHINDLER'S LIST? I like that moment too, especially the Seagull Effect on the strings. I'm not sure how I feel about that - the Schindler's List/Mahler copying is just so blatant, but I love the harmonic work. Also, does anybody have an idea what's going on with the strings roughly from 7:03-7:30?The bit where he quotes SCHINDLER'S LIST? You mean Mahler's 9th? Don't YOU mean Mahler's 8th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 My favourite moment of Titanic score is the actual sinking scene (from 6:50). It's a very eerie and scary moment - all those ghostly synths: KarolThe last 2 minutes of that cue is great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I really dig the motif in "Leaving Port", but the rest of it is simply serviceable.Sounds like The Rocketeer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 The bit where he quotes SCHINDLER'S LIST? I thought he was referencing Balto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 One of the coolest unreleased moments is in the opening scene when they shine a light on the possessions in the wreck and there's an Apollo 13-esque rendition of the love theme with the female vocal.I'm drunk and listening to it right now. Just finished "Take Her to Sea, Mr. Murdoch" and currently up to that awesome percussion in "Hard to Starboard" as the big fucker SLOWLY starts turning to avoid the iceberg. Sometimes, these silly Horner vocals annoy me, but usually, I like them. I cannot disassociate them from images of that great ship on its way from the coast of Ireland with Leo watching the dolphins. We still had symphonic film scores and none of this RCP crap, films were not yet fully CGI, Star Wars and Star Trek hadn't been ruined and John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith still regularly put out new scores. Happy days. Thanks for reminding me, Horner. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Youre drunk? Me too. Drunk and going stir-crazy with 6 more hours on this train. A midnight singalong of "My Heart Will Go On" would not go amiss. I'll inform the passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,087 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Guilty pleasure? I sometimes love it, sometimes find it annoying. It is memorable, however and though its presentation in the film is a disaster, it is used effectively. That sounds about right. I don't own the score, but I've considered buying it a number of times as a result of its effectiveness in the film. Evocative to the extreme in that classic Horner fashion, even as it simultaneously annoys with its derivative, cheesy manipulativeness. Can I simultaneously vote for, like, a 9 and a 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,725 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I'll give it 8 on the whole. Celine Dion killed the love theme for me but the rest is quite nifty.Thank you for posting that Don Davis interview snippet Mike. Considering that it is a miracle how well the music turned out.P.S. I have a feeling Horner had the whole damn circus all over again with Avatar with Cameron dictating changes continuously and Horner meekly complying. There is certainly the same kind of "keep the film scores green, recycle!" feel to the whole thing, which might imply more arduous than normal situation for Horner. Perhaps that is where he gets his haughty attitudes the rest of the time. He has to make up for such humiliations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Chicks dig this score. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Gnome in Plaid 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Can't love a score that uses horrible choir patches. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 A deliberate creative descision Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I like the synth choir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I gave it an 8th. The synth choir might have been deliberate but it still sounds horrible. It is a fantastic score though all the same. Must rewatch the film actually. It's been years but it's a film you kinda have to make the effort to sit down and watch. We have it on Blu actually and I've never seen it in that format so that might make a fun exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Don't think I've ever listened to this outside the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Get out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Was he ever in? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Don't think I've ever listened to this outside the film.I've listened to it only outside the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,758 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I've only seen the film once in full (when it came out), so I'm largely unfamiliar with the score in context.Going by the heavily re-recorded and alternate-filled OST, I enjoy the bits exploring the wreck (someone on the shrine made a mock-up of it, and it's really good), the Southampton scenes, and most of the material for the sinking scenes.Much of the rest I've either never noticed, or doesn't do much for me. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 It's a good score, I gave it a 7. The synth elements, including the shitty choral stuff, completely stop it from being great. It has a nice couple of primary themes though; could have been so much more. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That's the thing - all the haters and whiners in here are in denial about the themes. There hasn't been anything written in years and years, thematically, which gets anywhere near the quality, complexity and stunning beauty of Rose's theme. You just don't get intricately developed and finely crafted melodies like that in movies any more, but here we are again seeing idiots dismiss it on a whim. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 It took me 1 listen in 1997 to instinctively know that it would win both the Best Score, and Best Song Oscars. It's a good score, but it's not "Brainstorm" is it, let's face it. Best track: "A Building Panic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That's the thing - all the haters and whiners in here are in denial about the themes. There hasn't been anything written in years and years, thematically, which gets anywhere near the quality, complexity and stunning beauty of Rose's theme. You just don't get intricately developed and finely crafted melodies like that in movies any more, but here we are again seeing idiots dismiss it on a whim.I don't know Quint... What does it sound like?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That's the thing - all the haters and whiners in here are in denial about the themes. There hasn't been anything written in years and years, thematically, which gets anywhere near the quality, complexity and stunning beauty of Rose's theme. You just don't get intricately developed and finely crafted melodies like that in movies any more, but here we are again seeing idiots dismiss it on a whim.THIS!Most people here a synth choir and nothing more!The themes are are excellent actually. Any score with even half the richness and texture today would easily be the best film music of 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That's the thing - all the haters and whiners in here are in denial about the themes. There hasn't been anything written in years and years, thematically, which gets anywhere near the quality, complexity and stunning beauty of Rose's theme. You just don't get intricately developed and finely crafted melodies like that in movies any more, but here we are again seeing idiots dismiss it on a whim.I don't know Quint... What does it sound like?KarolShow me a better melody recently. I desperately want to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That's the thing - all the haters and whiners in here are in denial about the themes. There hasn't been anything written in years and years, thematically, which gets anywhere near the quality, complexity and stunning beauty of Rose's theme. You just don't get intricately developed and finely crafted melodies like that in movies any more, but here we are again seeing idiots dismiss it on a whim.THIS!Most people here a synth choir and nothing more!The themes are are excellent actually. Any score with even half the richness and texture today would easily be the best film music of 2014"Easily the best film music of 2014". What an indictment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,052 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 That's the thing - all the haters and whiners in here are in denial about the themes. There hasn't been anything written in years and years, thematically, which gets anywhere near the quality, complexity and stunning beauty of Rose's theme. You just don't get intricately developed and finely crafted melodies like that in movies any more, but here we are again seeing idiots dismiss it on a whim.I don't know Quint... What does it sound like?KarolShow me a better melody recently. I desperately want to hear it.OK but I don't know what melody you're talking about... Is that a song tune? Or something else? Can't remember any themes from this film. Not seen it since 1998 and I just listen to a few action tracks on the album. Maybe this is a best way to re-acquaint myself with it?Karol Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 I never doubted the quality of themes. There's nothing wrong with the writing or the themes or anything like that. The synth choir is nothing but awful though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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