Ollie 1,059 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 You need to pay attention more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Nah they're just trying to make themselves look really smart by making everything too complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Thekthithm said: Into Darkness has a hard-to-follow plot and I've forgotten what Beyond was all about. It's not that hard to follow when it's basically delivered in major exposition scenes. Although, as much as I love the film, Khan's motivations and presence in the film were severely lacking like we somehow missed a whole film's worth of why we should care about him to begin with. Trent B and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Khan's a boring monotone British guy instead of a flamboyant Mexican. They lost me. Unlucky Bastard and Trent B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: It was a terrible movie. It was enormously overrated, that's for sure. 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: It really isn't. Why are your opinions always wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Just now, A. A. Ron said: It was enormously overrated, that's for sure. Why are your opinions always wrong? Overrated? I think it copped it's fair share of criticism from both fans and critics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pellaeon 593 Posted September 7, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2019 Beyond is fun! It find a good balance between Trekishness as exemplified by the original show (you know, explore and get along) and exciting blockbuster action movie. The characters are likable and had great interaction. There are a few Trek-film clichés I don’t like (villain out for revenge, doomsday weapon, Enterprise gets destroyed) and which are not even handled particularly well for what they are. However, overall it is enjoyable and has heart; it doesn’t feel like the previous two, which were trying a little too hard to reinvent what Trek was. It was more restrained in scope. But, to be fair, Star Trek 2009’s Star Wars-like visual and storytelling excess also makes it much more stark and memorable. The biggest and coolest new plot element that Beyond had was that they discovered an old ship, the Franklin, which had crashed on the planet, and were able to get her flying again. In the end, they get the Enterprise-A, which has a much nicer design than the 2009 Enterprise they’d been using, i think. Arpy, A. A. Ron and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I like how Beyond attempts to confront the darker aspects to the Federation and Starfleet, and how it made the villain a disaffected soldier who became inhuman and bent on revenge. The story itself feels Trekkian, and wouldn't feel out of place in TOS or TNG. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Yeah. I’m sad because to me personally, Beyond and Solo are solid templates upon which they could build enjoyable sequels for decades, but both seem to be considered dead ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 Solo put me to sleep for the first 45 minutes. It was so boring and so dark that I just dozed off until some sort of explosion occurred on a train that reminded me of the Shadows of the Empire video game. Like Heath Ledger once said as the Joker, it was so BORING! John and Unlucky Bastard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,086 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 You need a better theatre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 I mildly enjoyed Solo on my first watch, but has no rewatch value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Pellaeon said: Yeah. I’m sad because to me personally, Beyond and Solo are solid templates upon which they could build enjoyable sequels for decades, but both seem to be considered dead ends. The problem with Solo is that it's so high on it's own nostalgia that, to me, it felt trapped with nowhere to go in the larger narrative universe. At times it even looked like a cosplay version of Star Wars. I still enjoyed it, though and I think the cast were wonderful - though it's a shame there wasn't more Woody Harrelson. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Pellaeon said: Beyond is fun![...] it doesn’t feel like the previous two, which were trying a little too hard to reinvent what Trek was. It was more restrained in scope. But, to be fair, Star Trek 2009’s Star Wars-like visual and storytelling excess also makes it much more stark and memorable. Funny, that’s exactly what I felt the film was lacking: the scale and sweep of the precious two, Star Wars-like, entries. But, like you said, it’s fun. I’m sure Solo’s at least mildly enjoyable, too. 6 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Why are your opinions always wrong? I’m not saying it’s some kind of great cinematic artifact. But it’s impressively mounted and kinetic, if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted September 7, 2019 Share Posted September 7, 2019 20 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: It was enormously overrated, that's for sure. Why are your opinions always wrong? Probably because his opinions are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 5 hours ago, El Jefe said: Probably because his opinions are right. Does... not... compute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I'm sorry, Martin. She's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 No she's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker star teases reason for C-3PO's red eyes https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a28920425/star-wars-9-the-rise-of-skywalker-c3po-red-eyes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Camera flash? Manakin Skywalker and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,345 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Rey is the true chosen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Regarding Star Trek Beyond I for one loved it the most of the three reboot films. I liked parts of Star Trek Into Darkness but over all it was a mess and just pissed me off because it was a re-write of The Wrath Of Khan which is my favorite Star Trek film. Cumberbatch was the wrong choice for Khan although in the comics it explained why he looked different compared to the original TOS Khan. Star Trek Beyond definitely felt a lot more closer to a TOS episode/movie than the other two. I still love all three scores though. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Beyond was the best of the three in my opinion. It did indeed feel more like a 3-part episode arc. I still prefer all of the original films over the new trilogy though, but I don't think that Beyond was bad at all. Trent B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Modern Trek just isn't all that much better than everything anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Looks pretty bad. Panaka. We'll be right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I still prefer all of the original films over the new trilogy though, but I don't think that Beyond was bad at all. The TNG films were awful monstrosities that were a complete shift in tone from the show. I don't mind Generations every now and then, mainly because it feels like a passable episode of TNG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Generations is one of my favorites and First Contact is a good sci-fi action flick. Insurrection is troubled and mostly feels like a letdown after the previous one (They really switched gears from a badass slick suspenseful space Die Hardian adventure to the lame hippie planet) while still watchable and Nemesis is a weird yet also watchable mess. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Star Trek: Generations is one of the smartest moofeys ever made... it was better than everything, and not just Star Trek movies, but everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 The problem with the TNG films is that they felt the unnecessary need to make things bigger, badder and darker, because it's a movie! I just want the bright lighting and the same corridors damn it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Nice, even TV lighting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Generations is the best looking Trek film. The Enterprise was never so inviting. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I have no clue what kind of weird anamorphic lenses they used on Insurrection, but Justin knows exactly which shot I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Unlucky Bastard and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I swear it's like they used outdated CinemaScope lenses from the 50s Fox lot! A fair few Paramount movies from the 90s using anamorphic lenses had that warped look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 16 hours ago, toothless said: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker star teases reason for C-3PO's red eyes https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a28920425/star-wars-9-the-rise-of-skywalker-c3po-red-eyes/ C-3POT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Anyone else think Generations is not only the best looking one, but the most emblematic of everything missing from modern Star Trek? It's really the antithesis of the Prime timeline movies. It's also better than Star Wars movies. Yavar Moradi and Trent B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I pretty much love everything about it. Just seeing Picard and Kirk meeting and teaming up on horses should raise the hairs of any geek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Boldly go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Two Captains, one destiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Yes! Umph! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I like Insurrection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 27 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I like Hiserection Hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Arpy said: The TNG films were awful monstrosities that were a complete shift in tone from the show. I don't mind Generations every now and then, mainly because it feels like a passable episode of TNG. I prefer the show of course, but I still enjoyed Generations and First Contact. Insurrection was alright. Nemesis was meh. They're still better than the newer films in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 My biggest gripe with the Next Generation films is that they felt like big budget versions of the show. They weren't cinematic, First Contact less so than the others (having the Borg as the villains and Alice Krige as their queen certainly helped). Also, the self-contained nature of the stories didn't do the films any favours, I would have preferred a multi-film arc. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: they felt like big budget versions of the show IMO this is true of all the TOS movies except the first. They might not have felt specifically like the 60s show, but they felt small. I dunno, it's not a reason to not like them for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I think there's a clear distinction between the shows and the movies. The movies feel like movies. But the movies are continuations of the shows, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 They’re all just nostalgia trips, ultimately, right? Are there any Star Trek fans who are into it mainly for the movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Pellaeon said: They’re all just nostalgia trips, ultimately, right? Are there any Star Trek fans who are into it mainly for the movies? I think for most people the appeal of a television series being adapted into a movie is the opportunity to see the characters and settings tell a story larger in scope and chutzpah than an average TV episode could allow. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 14 hours ago, Dixon Hill said: Anyone else think Generations is not only the best looking one, but the most emblematic of everything missing from modern Star Trek? It's really the antithesis of the Prime timeline movies. It's also better than Star Wars movies. I'm with you, although calling Generations "best" out of the TNG films is faint praise because I really dislike *all* of the other three (despite having excellent Goldsmith scores). Generations suffers greatly in comparison to All Good Things... and it really needed another rewrite or two. But it feels the most Trek and the most TNG of all the movies, easily. Yeah we start having people act a *little* out of character but it was NOTHING compared to the strangeness of First Contact, and by the time we got to Nemesis IMO many of the characters were almost unrecognizable compared with the TV series. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: by the time we got to Nemesis IMO many of the characters were almost unrecognizable compared with the TV series. "Let's hear this kitten purr!" With the case of Picard, I honestly feel the seeds of his character getting all loose was planted in the series. I love Picard but it got irritating to see just how multi-faceted and skilled he was at...well, everything. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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