BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Nobody cares about those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,846 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 1. STAR WARS2. RETURN OF THE JEDI3. EMPIRE STRIKES BACK4. THE FORCE AWAKENS5. THE PHANTOM MENACE6. REVENGE OF THE SITH7. ATTACK OF THE CLONES.Nothing surprising there. I'm expecting most people to rank it in-between the two trilogies.yes, although i'm negatively prejudiced about it, i'd expect it to be there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Nobody cares about those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm still confused why Disney put a bad edit of ESB End Credits music under the Lucasfilm logo for the original six films' digital releases, yet has the logo play silently in TFA?And why they didn't commission John Williams to write a new fanfare for the logo, which would lead nicely into the SW main titles (the same was the Fox Fanfare nicely does) and also be used on future non-Star Wars Lucasfilm movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 They can still ask Nathan Johnson to come up with something for Episode VIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,558 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm still confused why Disney put a bad edit of ESB End Credits music under the Lucasfilm logo for the original six films' digital releases, yet has the logo play silently in TFA?And why they didn't commission John Williams to write a new fanfare for the logo, which would lead nicely into the SW main titles (the same was the Fox Fanfare nicely does) and also be used on future non-Star Wars Lucasfilm movies?That's a good point. Maybe the rationale was to let the main titles be the "big opening", not preceded by another fanfare? (and let me just say the new 'main titles' recording is spectatular!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,846 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm still confused why Disney put a bad edit of ESB End Credits music under the Lucasfilm logo for the original six films' digital releases, yet has the logo play silently in TFA?maybe because those films had originally music there, so they substituted it with something else instead of completely deleting it.but the new movie, hasn't got a previous version to be compared with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,320 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 There are some BIG moments in the film, but if I say anything about these moments being "sad" or "happy", you'll be able to deduce the outcome. So I won't.You don't have to get into specifics and I'm not sure how to articulate this, but overall would you say you were satisfied with these, that they felt "right" for the film and the saga? Like, did they actually feel like powerful moments to you that can sit alongside the other films, or was it more of just recognizing they'll be huge spoilers but the filmmaking experience didn't hit you that hard? Even if the plot is somewhat of a rehash, I'm wondering if this will be a very necessary extension of the story with distinctive cinematic choices for the crucial moments, and not just a "Part 7, take it or leave it, you've seen this movie before".And in general how did you think JW delivered on the drama? Would you say there are moments across the entire film where you felt really pleased with how the visuals and the music were coming together, or was it more limited to a select few standouts and the rest sort of washed over you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,558 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 You don't have to get into specifics and I'm not sure how to articulate this, but overall would you say you were satisfied with these, that they felt "right" for the film and the saga? Like, did they actually feel like powerful moments to you that can sit alongside the other films, or was it more of just recognizing they'll be huge spoilers but the filmmaking experience didn't hit you that hard? Even if the plot is somewhat of a rehash, I'm wondering if this will be a very necessary extension of the story with distinctive cinematic choices for the crucial moments, and not just a "Part 7, take it or leave it, you've seen this movie before".Yes, the powerful moments here will stand alongside other powerful, iconic moments in the saga, although I'm not quite sure about the way they were conceptualized. For example, I wish they dwelled MORE on these moments, but it moves on pretty quickly afterwards. I think I need to see the film again to properly assess the "effectiveness" of these moments (especially one).And in general how did you think JW delivered on the drama? Would you say there are moments across the entire film where you felt really pleased with how the visuals and the music were coming together, or was it more limited to a select few standouts and the rest sort of washed over you?I'm afraid I veer a bit towards the latter point. Some GREAT, standout moments, musically, but on the whole a bit "over-wrought" and whimsical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,320 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Thanks, cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Thor, is this movie tonally more mature than past entries? I'm probably going to be taking my young children along, but it's a 12A certificate in the UK, which basically means a child under 12 is okay to go with dad if he thinks they'll be okay with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 In the US, its rated PG13..... In the US, only Revenge of the Sith was rated PG13, with the other 5 films all being PG. So violence-wise, it would be more on the level of ROTS than the other 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'd show that to my kids (if it wasn't rubbish), but it does get a tad 'brutal' when Anakin takes a warm fall at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yes I think Anakin getting his nubs lobbed off is what pushed it from PG to PG13.For TFA - Thor will hopefully still reply - but I'm assuming whatever causes Finn to have blood all over his helmet is what pushed it up to PG13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Yeah. And I still won't show Raiders to them because of Alfred Molina's spiky demise and Pat Roach's nasty propeller surprise. Crazy to think what Spielberg got away with back in the day. In a way though it was better back then precisely because such fleeting moments of realistic violence did make it through, I reckon. Now everything PG is so vanilla and weakling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Jaws, Raiders and Temple would be PG13 film if re-rated today. Last Crusade already is PG13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 487 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Thor, do you think a person who has never seen ANY of the Star Wars films (but knows obvious things like who Darth Vader is and etc. that are part of pop culture) watch this and understand essentially all they need to in order to enjoy the film? Basically, is this a fairly stand-alone film, or is it dependent on the other entries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Revenge of the Sith also had numerous decapitations and brutal kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,558 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I think it's more 'mature' than the prequels, yes, even if REVENGE has some harrowing moments (granted, the worst off-screen, like Anakin killing the Jedi younglings). I wasn't aware that it had a PG13 in the States, but it has nothing to do with Finn's helmet blood. I think it rather has to do with some later scenes in the film that can be construed as disturbing for kids.The maximum pleasure in this film is achieved if you have some sort of connection to the original films, but the references to the story between RETURN and AWAKENS isn't really explored much. So yes, I think it can be enjoyed as a stand-alone experience for younger generations -- even if it has a couple of ol' geezers running around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Did it feel like the old cast was just kinda there without a compelling reason to have brought them back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,558 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Did it feel like the old cast was just kinda there without a compelling reason to have brought them back?At first I thought so, but the more time we spent with them (especially Han), the more they settled in the role and the more we get the feeling that it's a natural, organic extention of where RETURN left off.And who would have expected that LANDO CARLISSIAN would return?!?Sorry, that was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Does the film make ANY references to the Prequel Trilogy at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,654 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Does the film make ANY references to the Prequel Trilogy at all?One line: "The First Order was created that day: the day that Jar Jar Binks exploded." DarthDementous and Glóin the Dark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,558 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Does the film make ANY references to the Prequel Trilogy at all?It does mention the Sith briefly, in a passing comment. Did they also mention the Sith in the originals? Maybe a few other things that I've forgotten. I think I saw some creatures and stuff from the prequels, but I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The Sith were mentioned in the original trilogy, Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,558 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The Sith were mentioned in the original trilogy, Thor.They were? Damn, I need to see them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 You know what? I may be wrong about that - the word "Sith" may never have been uttered by a character in the Original Trilogy.Still, we knew that Darth Vader was "A Dark Lord of the Sith" long before the Prequel Trilogy was conceived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter.anschutz 43 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The maximum pleasure in this film is achieved if you have some sort of connection to the original films, but the references to the story between RETURN and AWAKENS isn't really explored much. So yes, I think it can be enjoyed as a stand-alone experience for younger generations -- even if it has a couple of ol' geezers running around.Good to hear. My date hasn't seen any of the films (*sigh*), so I'm worried he won't get the "full" experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 You know what? I may be wrong about that - the word "Sith" may never have been uttered by a character in the Original Trilogy.Still, we knew that Darth Vader was "A Dark Lord of the Sith" long before the Prequel Trilogy was conceived.Correct. Sith was not spoken in the original trilogy, but it was part of Darth Vader's full title in the novelization, comics, and on more merchandise you could possibly ever own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 The Sith were mentioned in the original trilogy, Thor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Guys, let's keep the more detailed questions (and answers) in the spoiler thread please. *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 "Does the film make ANY references to the Prequel Trilogy at all?" is a detailed question??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I'm referring to the questions I skimmed over asking about the Sith on the previous page. Some of us might not want to know that shit one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 OK, I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Space dogfights. Are there any?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I'll wait until June 2016 then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Space catfights. Are there any?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I see those in my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,356 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 2 hours and 30 minutes before the movie starts .... The kid is really looking forward to this movie. Personally I think it won't be anything I haven't seen before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 It won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,846 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 It won't.Which comes to my point (I haven't seen the film of course yet):Why a new Star wars film ( and new films in the future for that matter) was absolutely necessary except for the studio to make money?The thematic material has been exhausted.Why should this turn to a "daily soap opera" through the years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Oh, I think Episode 8 could bring something new to the table, and the Rogue One movie seems pretty interesting and different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 George Lucas proved that the Star Wars universe has an inexhaustible pool of stories.Pity he made 3 shit ones. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 You can make tons of stuff out of this stuff.It's just that Lucas... well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Rogue One is the Star Wars movie I'm the most interested in at the moment! Felicity Jones, Desplat... Bring it on!I wonder if it will have Darth Vader in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,654 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Accidentally clicked into the "spoilers" thread by mistake a few minutes ago and had two major plot points spoiled in one sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,432 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 Damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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