Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I find the earlier expanded release to have a sufficient duration, on the verge of being overlong, so unless there's some major highlights on the 2 CD set I'll skip it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I bought the two disc set even after owning the prior expansion, which I now need to unload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I find the earlier expanded release to have a sufficient duration, on the verge of being overlong, so unless there's some major highlights on the 2 CD set I'll skip it. Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Back in stock on LLL https://lalalandrecords.com/dances-with-wolves-25th-anniversary-expanded-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 This is one of the best specialty label releases of the entire 2010s. Amazing score. Yavar Moradi and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Very good score, but the Sony expansion is more than enough, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I ordered a copy but the case came cracked. Is LLL good at replacing them? Give me a new case? a new cd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Bellosh said: I ordered a copy but the case came cracked. Is LLL good at replacing them? Give me a new case? a new cd? Last time I asked for a new case, they ignored me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,419 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Bummer. I feel like this happens when I order just 1 cd rather than multiple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 Back in stock https://lalalandrecords.com/dances-with-wolves-25th-anniversary-expanded-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 This is a very good release. Took me 5 years to get it but the recent expansion of (often Barry-like) Legends of the Fall made me want to revisit this. There's way more variety to the complete score than I expected. Some interesting alternate versions too. The sound quality is very good too. Very happy with this, much better than the original album that I never liked. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 I agree with Karol This is one of my favorite expanded releases of the past decade. It was a score I didn't grow up with, never really checked out in the past, but happened to see the film again shortly before this was announced and noticed how good the music was, and immediately fell in love with this album when I got it. Absolutely fantastic score, and a superb release of it. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 The original album gives you an impression that all it is playing the same 2-3 themes for an hour. And as a collection of most important moments in the score it did a decent enough job but because there are some non-theme-driven minor cues on this expanded set you get a bit of a break. Oddly, the score is now 2.5 times longer and yet it doesn't feel as repetitive. The material breathes more and is still completely listenable. Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 The earlier Sony expansion is the perfect compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: The earlier Sony expansion is the perfect compromise. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyDigital 0 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I read that this 2-CD release contains all the music that was composed for the extended cut. Does the original release or the expanded release from 2004 contain any music from the extended cut or are they strictly theatrical cut only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 10 hours ago, BobbyDigital said: I read that this 2-CD release contains all the music that was composed for the extended cut. Does the original release or the expanded release from 2004 contain any music from the extended cut or are they strictly theatrical cut only? Where did you read that? I wasn't aware that any music was written for the extended cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 They didn't record new music for the extended cut of the film, they just used music already recorded from before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyDigital 0 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 8 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Where did you read that? I wasn't aware that any music was written for the extended cut. I mean music that was composed for the 4-hour cut before it was shortened for its theatrical release. I just assumed John Barry composed the entire score while watching the longer cut and I was wondering if any of the music in the previous releases of the score featured music that’s heard in the extended cut but not the theatrical cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted June 20, 2020 Author Share Posted June 20, 2020 The long cut was crafted anew after the film was a hit. All those extra scenes were cut before Barry scored the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted December 28, 2021 Author Share Posted December 28, 2021 Back in stock for it's final batch https://lalalandrecords.com/dances-with-wolves-25th-anniversary-expanded-limited-edition-2-cd-set/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 28, 2021 Share Posted December 28, 2021 Don't miss it this time. One of the best expansions we got in the last years. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,318 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I want this so bad but I need Empire of the Sun to pair it with! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I'm content with the FIRST expansion. 😎 Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 A quick visit to soundtrack collector reveals the chaos of releases of this score. I have a 53-minute, 18-track release that I found in HMV many years ago, and even that is overlong for me. But I've never seen the film, so it's really a Thor approach for me. Nice to see the whole thing available though. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 There's three versions: Sony OST Sony expanded LLLR further expanded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,370 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: There's three versions: Sony OST Sony expanded LLLR further expanded I have the OST since day one when the movie came out and also feel that is all I need. But in which ever form, the score is gorgeous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: I have the OST since day one when the movie came out and also feel that is all I need. But in which ever form, the score is gorgeous. The are expansions, and there are fucking great sounding essential expansions. Dances with the Wolves belongs to the second category. It was nominated in 2016 by IMFCA in the "Best Archival Release of an Existing Score - Re-Release". Yavar Moradi, crumbs and GerateWohl 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,370 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2021 I agree with Bespin 100% This is one of the best music CDs I have ever purchased in my life. It's a tremendous album crumbs, 1977 and Yavar Moradi 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,837 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I love the score (and the film) but hadn't purchased this expansion. Your comments made me pull the trigger (along with LEGEND and FIDDLER ON THE ROOF from MUSIC BOX RECORDS). Thanks Holko and Jay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 That first Sony expansion frankly kinda sucked. It did several things wrong IIRC and purported on the packaging to be the complete score when it wasn’t remotely true! The truly complete and definitive LLL blew it out of the water in every way. It’s one of those situations where the previous release feels more tiresome and repetitive than the complete score. Those who got the Quartet edition of Goldsmith’s The Russia House will know what I’m talking about: everyone said the previous album was already too long, one of the few instances when Goldsmith put out too lengthy of an album rather than too short an album. But then the complete score restored several different cues which broke up the monotony of the score, and all of a sudden an even longer listening experience became more enjoyable! The previous Dances With Wolves expansion left off some excellent cues which provided variety to the score and added a lot of cues which were more similar to the ones on the original album. The LLL feels much better balanced, and IMO this is one of the few Barry scores (if not the only one) which could sustain this length, because very atypically for him he provided around a DOZEN different themes for this score. Barry doesn’t vary his material remotely as much as say Goldsmith, which is why some of his scores come off as repetitive. But when there are four (or more!) times as many themes as he usually provides, that helps a lot. Yavar crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: The previous Dancesc With Wolves expansion left off some excellent cues which provided variety to the score and added a lot of cues which were more similar to the ones on the original album. The LLL feels much better balanced YES! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 It's true he wrote many themes. That is the reason it's the only late career score I own. But, the orchestration was just like all his other scores. So, 79 minutes does the trick for me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 I also think the expanded album flows much better. Karol Bespin and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 The Sony expansion is indeed great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: The Sony expansion is indeed great. But......but.....but..... It is not COMPLETE! 😗😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 9 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: The Sony expansion is indeed great. The only reason I mention this is so folks who miss out ( or, can't afford) the LLL,don't slit their wrists. The easily obtainable Sony release gives a lot of value! On 19/06/2020 at 6:58 PM, Jay said: The long cut was crafted anew after the film was a hit. All those extra scenes were cut before Barry scored the film And some of the scenes are great and really enrich the narrative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,139 Posted January 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2022 For whatever reason, I really haven't given this score much attention lately, even though I bought the soundtrack and loved the film 30 years ago. Never got the Sony expansion. Just received this LLL edition, and Oh My God. It just makes you want to fall in love with movies and their music all over again. To anyone reading this who hasn't ordered yet, make it a priority. Don't let this go out of print without owning it. Take my word for it. Yavar Moradi, Edmilson, crumbs and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 There's always the old Sony expansion. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hedji said: For whatever reason, I really haven't given this score much attention lately, even though I bought the soundtrack and loved the film 30 years ago. Never got the Sony expansion. Just received this LLL edition, and Oh My God. It just makes you want to fall in love with movies and their music all over again. To anyone reading this who hasn't ordered yet, make it a priority. Don't let this go out of print without owning it. Take my word for it. I agree with Hedji 100%. This is a must-have release. Yavar Moradi and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,139 Posted January 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2022 It deserves to be in every film score lover's collection. I'm sure the Sony expansion is great, but there is something precious about this presentation. It's like we had a rare chance to dip our toe into some Golden Age and savor it for our own in the Neo post-blockbuster era. Somehow, it's what movie music is all about. And the cover art is unashamedly old fashioned as well. This release is heavenly. Edmilson, Jay and Yavar Moradi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,466 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 My favorite Barry score and one of my top 10 scores of all time. It's just wonderful. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,080 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 It's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy 4,139 Posted January 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2022 I was surprised to read in the liner notes that Basil Poledouris was the first choice composer, and yet in that context, there are tribal muscular trombone statements that could easily fit comfortably as a temp track for a sword and sandal movie. And then Barry shifts into the impossibly melodic tenderness of the themes for Two Socks and the Love Theme. Thing is, he makes it seem effortless. I'm astounded I ever took this score for granted. WampaRat, Jay and Yavar Moradi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I would loved to have heard what Poledouris would have written for this. But a handful of his western scores (Quigley Down Under, Lonesome Dove etc) can give us an idea at least. But Barry’s score here is truly a masterwork. I also imagine a Poledouris cue like “The Leaving/The Search” from Conan the Barbarian fitting in nicely. Such a breathtakingly beautiful and pastoral cue for an admittedly hokey 80s sword & sorcery flick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I am honestly so upset over Poledouris' losing out on this that I still have never listened to Dances With Wolves in isolation. I just... don't want to like it? It's perverse. I'm loyal to an imaginary score that doesn't exist. Angry loyal. I don't know why I care so much, it's not Barry's fault. It just feels like a betrayal to Basil Poledouris to gush over it. So I never have. I know, I'm disturbed. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I think Basil would have surpassed JB. But, we will never know😰 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,139 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 10 hours ago, blondheim said: I am honestly so upset over Poledouris' losing out on this that I still have never listened to Dances With Wolves in isolation. I just... don't want to like it? It's perverse. I'm loyal to an imaginary score that doesn't exist. Angry loyal. I don't know why I care so much, it's not Barry's fault. It just feels like a betrayal to Basil Poledouris to gush over it. So I never have. I know, I'm disturbed. I have to admire your discipline and loyalty. It's too bad there isn't even a rejected score to compare, because it's always fun to play "What If?' But I actually get resisting a certain composer just because. I'm sort of the same way with James Newton Howard and John Powell for no good reason. Sometimes it's hard to get out of our own dogmatic way. You never know where the music will take you, though. I've got a handful of Barry on my shelves, and am now wanting more because of this. I'm convinced some of my inclination towards Barry's mellow composition has to do with aging and the occasional need for soothing pastoral music. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 10 hours ago, blondheim said: I know, I'm disturbed. #He's disturbed, he's disturbed, he's the most disturbed, like, he's psychology disturbed#. Poledouris was meant to score DANCES WITH WOLVES? I never knew that! How did he come to be connected with the film, and why did he not score it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,139 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 According to the liner notes, Costner liked his work on the TV series Lonesome Dove. But Poledouris bowed out to keep a promise to his friend John Milius. It doesn’t say what film Milius was working on, but Flight of the Intruder was 1991, so it was probably that. bruce marshall and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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