Popular Post thestat 348 Posted November 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2017 2017 has been an interesting year. It has produced the worst kind of 'advances' in film scoring (namely Zimmer's Dunkirk and Blade Runner, both which work beautifully in their respective films but can be very problematic if this is taken to be the new sound of blockbuster cinema overall - they work in these dystopian films, but the whole groany industrial landscape is not applicable to all films but we all know Hollywood will try to make it so as Hans is cool with the kids). Simultaneously, there seems to be something of a backlash going on against the Zimmer banality. Five scores this year could stand the test of comparison to glorious 90s film music (in chronological order) 1. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 - a truly fantastic effort from Tyler Bates showing the range he has. There are some real orchestral fireworks here as well as great epic material. 2. Valerian and the 1000 Planets - a diverse and idiosyncratically impressive score from Desplat with great energy and some stunning action material. 3. Tokyo Ghoul - Don Davis' work for this Japanese film is beautiful, occasionally youngian, sometimes very davisian, with a stunning central set piece with The Kaneki Metamorphosis - a candidate for track of the year surely. While this is not a Hollywood film, it implies the standards that composers still associated with the industry sometimes attain when they are let loose from their studio shackles. 4. Thor: Ragnarok - Now this one is simply the best score of the year. Massive, epic, symphonic, electronic, poppy. It is all things at once and sounds like Elliot Goldenthal met up with Kraftwerk, got drunk and made a scorebaby together. 5. Justice League - there is no amount of elation that can describe hearing the one and only Batman theme again. Some of the score is a bit all-over-the-place, but all of the thematic material is truly fantastic and shows why Elfman is still the king of superheroes. The Anti-Hero Theme is just astonishing. And a real nice fuck you to all the Zimmer fanboys. The fact that these scores came out in one of the darkest years of humanity is astonishing. Even more impressive is the range of composers we are seeing. Bates and Mothersbaugh do some good stuff but nothing on this scale. Desplat and Elfman are old hands at this but it is so refreshing to hear them bring their skills to the film medium in a way not hindered by silly demands to make everything ostinato. Finally. Davis needs to be hired more. If this means productions outside the US, let it be so. At least it produces seriously good scores. 7 John, Brundlefly, Pieter Boelen and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2017 One of the darkest years of humanity? For fuck’s sake... Bilbo, Arpy, A. A. Ron and 5 others 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 This year, as in all others, we have had good orchestral scores by Doyle, Desplat, Young, Giacchino, Williams ... But I do not know, I can not see the tide turning. What I see is that people are thrilled with Giacchino's hiring for the Marvel films and the hiring of Elfman, and probably Giacchino in "The Batman", for DC movies. As the biggest blockbusters tend to serve as a reference for many smaller movies a lot of people see this as a turning point. Conclusion: At the end of the day people are excited about Giacchino. They see him as the composer of the next decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Good orchestral scores by Williams? Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 As of yet, i could identify the following scores that - generously speaking - could enter a competition for 2017. There is not one Marvel or DC film on there. A UNITED KINGDOM, Patrick Doyle BITTER HARVEST, Benjamin Wallfisch CELLO, Randy Kerber THE FOUNDER, Carter Burwell JANE by Philip Glass LE SECRET DE LA CHAMBRE NOIRE, Gregoire Hetzel LOGAN, Marco Beltrami OSTWIND AUFBRUCH NACH ORA, Annette Focks Paddington 2, DARIO MARIANELLI REBEL IN THE RYE, Bear McCready THE RENDEZVOUS, Austin Wintory THE SNOWMAN, Marco Beltrami SUBURBICON, Alexandre Desplat TULP FEVER, Danny Elfman VALERIAN AND THE CITY OF A THOUSAND PLANETS, Alexandre Desplat VICEROY'S HOUSE, A.R. Rahman WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES, Michael Giacchino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2017 What a turd of a thread. 6 hours ago, James said: Conclusion: At the end of the day people are excited about Giacchino. They see him as the composer of the next decade. Nice try, Michael Giacchino. James, Biodome and John 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 He he he... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,521 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 hours ago, publicist said: As of yet, i could identify the following scores that - generously speaking - could enter a competition for 2017. There is not one Marvel or DC film on there. A UNITED KINGDOM, Patrick Doyle BITTER HARVEST, Benjamin Wallfisch CELLO, Randy Kerber THE FOUNDER, Carter Burwell JANE by Philip Glass LE SECRET DE LA CHAMBRE NOIRE, Gregoire Hetzel LOGAN, Marco Beltrami OSTWIND AUFBRUCH NACH ORA, Annette Focks Paddington 2, DARIO MARIANELLI REBEL IN THE RYE, Bear McCready THE RENDEZVOUS, Austin Wintory THE SNOWMAN, Marco Beltrami SUBURBICON, Alexandre Desplat TULP FEVER, Danny Elfman VALERIAN AND THE CITY OF A THOUSAND PLANETS, Alexandre Desplat VICEROY'S HOUSE, A.R. Rahman WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES, Michael Giacchino Although I don't agree with all these choices, I like the fact that you also include non-Hollywood scores. I know I keep harping on about this over and over again, but one of the most bewildering phenomena in film score land that I know of is when people make assertions about a general state of affairs by just looking just at a SMALL fragment of Hollywood blockbusters (mostly superhero or action stuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 11 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Good orchestral scores by Williams? Did I miss something? In a few weeks... The Paper and The Last Jedi. At least TLJ promises to be great. 5 hours ago, BloodBoal said: People are thrilled about Marvel hiring Giacchino? What? All we got was an average score and an OK score from him for that studio. I know I know. It's a criminal conclusion, but I've seen a lot of people thinking like that in the last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 21 hours ago, thestat said: Blade Runner I really very much hope you're right! Watched the new Blade Runner last night and the music was at times unbelievably annoying. Of course that particular film isn't particularly my cup of tea anyway, but I hope to never hear music like that in a film again. Looking forward to The Last Jedi already! Ollie and Bofur01 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 hours ago, James said: In a few weeks... The Paper and The Last Jedi. At least TLJ promises to be great. Right, so we’re deeming music that we haven’t heard great just because it’s Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Pretty standard practice for a certain sect of JWFan though. Add in the tired old Zimmer/"modern" griping, you've got yourself a thread which is typical example of what makes JWFan Pro so valuable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 27 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Right, so we’re deeming music that we haven’t heard great just because it’s Williams? TLJ should be adequately sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Koray Savas said: Right, so we’re deeming music that we haven’t heard great just because it’s Williams? I believe that the seven previous scores are reason enough to believe in Williams. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 8 hours ago, James said: I believe that the seven previous scores are reason enough to believe in Williams. Six, you mean. Because there's one that is reason enough not to believe in Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 The scores gonna suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 3 hours ago, BloodBoal said: Six, you mean. Because there's one that is reason enough not to believe in Williams. At least Rey's theme is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 You know it wasn't the one I was referring to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 15 hours ago, El Jefe said: TLJ should be adequately sufficient. I liked several things this year but didn't love anything yet. So he might end up on top even with semi-good scores. Karol Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 14 hours ago, James said: I believe that the seven previous scores are reason enough to believe in Williams. Not logical, but okay. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,293 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Obligatory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 6 hours ago, BloodBoal said: You know it wasn't the one I was referring to! Well, I referred to the 7 episodes. I particularly enjoyed of the music written for all the films, even if the 7th entry paled in front of the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Not in comparison to AOTC, that's for sure! James and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Hey, AOTC is a fine score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 It's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 @thestat Was Guardians of the Galaxy 2 a good score? I remembered the song placements more than the score which only has one memorable theme... I don't think the scores for Dunkirk or Blade Runner advanced anything other than an inspired use of sound design. There are ostinato runs all throughout the score for Justice League, ostinati aren't inherently evil, overused, but still an extremely useful rhythmic technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Arpy said: I don't think the scores for Dunkirk or Blade Runner advanced anything other than an inspired use of sound design. Inspired...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Yes. Dunkirk is a brilliant entry in the much maligned "sound design" genre. Would that every composer asked to write such music abided by similar attention to detail and fine crafting of sounds. It shows the artistic heights possible in that type of music - sadly, I'm not sure anyone is capable of that other than Hans. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 But they wanted to know what it adds to the medium, TGP. I can't comment on it because I haven't seen and heard the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Adds to the medium? I don't know, what does any score add to the medium? This one, like I said, should set a bar for this type of score, though it probably won't. It's all well and good to complain about the overpresence of such scores - blame creative direction from uncreative people based on flavor of the month models - but let's also not fall into the childish realm of thinking "glorious 90s scores" are the standard against which to measure everything. No one should want a proliferation of any one type of film score, but rather the diversity appropriate to fit the diversity found in films themselves. Koray Savas and Thor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Like I said, I haven't seen either movie, but if I had to guess, I would say that the point of these 'sound based' scores is to present us with an artistic path less traveled and one that conveys an alternative musical diction. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,521 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 23 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Adds to the medium? I don't know, what does any score add to the medium? This one, like I said, should set a bar for this type of score, though it probably won't. It's all well and good to complain about the overpresence of such scores - blame creative direction from uncreative people based on flavor of the month models - but let's also not fall into the childish realm of thinking "glorious 90s scores" are the standard against which to measure everything. No one should want a proliferation of any one type of film score, but rather the diversity appropriate to fit the diversity found in films themselves. A surprisingly reasonable argument in this wacky place of ours. That's rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 On 11/16/2017 at 6:53 AM, Koray Savas said: Not logical, but okay. That poster considers all 7 Star Wars scores to be "great." It's not logical for him to assume that a man who has composed 7 great scores for a series can/will compose another? That's the most logical kind of prediction one can make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 I'm not going too pretend that people are not allowed to put terrible scores in their films. I'm also not going to pretend that I'll enjoy their films if they do. My tastes are not quite that diverse, I'm sorry to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 10 hours ago, Muldoon said: That poster considers all 7 Star Wars scores to be "great." It's not logical for him to assume that a man who has composed 7 great scores for a series can/will compose another? That's the most logical kind of prediction one can make! It isn’t, but it’s whatever. Obvious fanboy is obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 348 Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 Dear god....or whatever. What is this creature Koray Savas. He is probably a Trump supporter and a Brexiteer which invalidates his pass as a human being. Not eligible. Hey you guys - to quote something you like - have a good regander at Derieviere's work on Remember Me - anyone that likes Davis or Young will be happy with this work, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, thestat said: Dear god....or whatever. What is this creature Koray Savas. He is probably a Trump supporter and a Brexiteer which invalidates his pass as a human being. Not eligible. I don't know about Koray, but supporting Trump is the best thing we have to maintaining free market capitalism and protecting the First and Second Amendments for the foreseeable future, and Brexit was an excellent move by the British people to free themselves from the tyranny of senseless, bloated Eurocracy. Locrius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Ah, so thestat is ignore list material. Good, good! Can't cleanse my JWFan experience if you don't make it easy to spot you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I think I just achieved Pro status! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, thestat said: Baby Jane HUdson - are you a human being or a manufactured bot. Well... my name is Jane Hudson. You might remember me... I'm Baby Jane Hudson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 31 minutes ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: Well... my name is Jane Hudson. You might remember me... I'm Baby Jane Hudson! Did you see the dude insulting Bette here the other day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Did you see the dude insulting Bette here the other day? No. Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Baby Jane Hudson said: No. Where? For shame, for shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 He probably hasn't even seen a Bette movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 1 hour ago, thestat said: Baby Jane HUdson - are you a human being or a manufactured bot. It's interesting to note the infiltration of this scum of life, russia controlled or plain dumb, even on artistic boards. The Grey Pilgrim, how can you support the arts when everything that Trump/Brexit stands for is against free expression? Do not be a tool. You're so dumb it's amusing. Perhaps not ignorable after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Just some nut who thinks leftists should have a monopoly on creative arts, and conservatives are just blue collar bogans (sparkies, plumbers, brickies, etc) who wouldn't know a film score from a Will-i-am track. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 I don't get how he thinks he was able to surmise my or Koray's own political ideas from anything we posted in this thread - pretty sure we both just dismissed him as a dope because of his general demeanor, nothing political. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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