Mattris 416 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 43 minutes ago, TGP said: This attempt at correcting me does not itself make sense. SAD. Plus, there is such a thing as conversational writing style which reflects pauses or lack thereof, speed and emphasis, etcetera. Proper punctuation style which isn't conveyed verbally, like quotation punctuation, isn't really covered by that. No, you see, that was the point that you're too dense to have gotten apparently. I'm dicking around with little mental expenditure, and it's amusing. You're wasting your life arguing about the politics of kids movies. Clearer? Nice try. I called you out correctly on your incorrect use of punctuation. No need to start that nonsense. Trying to distract me from my substantive comments, were you? The obvious response is, you're "wasting your life" too. At least I'm taking the time to explain my thoughts - not just name-calling. 33 minutes ago, TGP said: We do not ask for what useful purpose the birds do sing. I'm also sad to say that we are the trolls - he is all too real. Now we agree. 28 minutes ago, Holko said: And you wonder why people call you manbabies. It's been 3 years to the death of a fictional character, move the fuck on. I've moved on. Some haven't. I was just proving a reason why some people stayed home for Solo. 24 minutes ago, Richard said: I'd be interested to know who @Mattris is...or, rather, was. Apparently, he/she joined in 2002, which means that they have (presumably) made many posts, and is well known to JWfan. Why did they change their name/avatar? What do they have to hide? Just wondering. I was one of the original members of JWfan. I recently changed my screen name but kept the same avatar. My old name was similar. Anyone care to guess what it was? 13 minutes ago, TGP said: I reckon we all feel ashamed and in need of a shower after even looking at this thread. If we're lucky Jay will toss it in the incinerator. This thread would only need to be considered for the trash because of the swath of comments like yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mattris said: Nice try. I called you out correctly on your incorrect punctuation. You really didn't, though - you edited your initially incorrect post, and, as I explained clearly, what I did was a question of verbal style while your error was in fact an error that can't be chalked up to verbal style. This attempt at obfuscation to make it seem like you were in the right is rather pathetic. 4 minutes ago, Mattris said: The obvious response is, you're "wasting your life" too. At least I'm taking the time to explain my thoughts - not just name-call. Thing is, I'm not. I'll be off to bed soon and forget about all this, light JWFan banter as it is. I somehow think what you discuss here, though, is seldom far from your mind. Now that's a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I think Mattris might be the real-life incarnation of the "Almost Politically Correct Redneck" meme guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 5 hours ago, TGP said: You really didn't, though - you edited your initially incorrect post, and, as I explained clearly, what I did was a question of verbal style while your error was in fact an error that can't be chalked up to verbal style. This attempt at obfuscation to make it seem like you were in the right is rather pathetic. Thing is, I'm not. I'll be off to bed soon and forget about all this, light JWFan banter as it is. I somehow think what you discuss here, though, is seldom far from your mind. Now that's a waste. I did not edit my "initially incorrect post". I left my period outside of the quotes. Your sentence structure was factually incorrect: "I'm not doing anything besides name calling, it's entertaining." has two subjects: "I'm" and "name calling". They have to be separated by a semi-colon or be separate sentences. "This attempt at obfuscation to make it seem like you were in the right is rather pathetic." Our back and forth could be considered time-wasting. But your name-calling and grammar correcting is, by definition, the behavior of a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mattris said: I was one of the original members of JWfan. I recently changed my screen name but kept the same avatar. My old name was similar. Anyone care to guess what it was? Mattmane. When you create a new username, your old ones are automatically saved on your profile. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mattris said: I did not edit my "initially incorrect post". I left my period outside of the quotes. Your sentence structure was factual incorrect Not that post, the other post! Could you at least keep up, and stop making so many typos yourself, if you're gonna argue about this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Mattris said: "Didn't gather enough interest" is putting it lightly. It's a Star Wars film that's going to loose money. This is not a fluke. It failed because ... because they spent 400 million to make a movie about more niche topics to be released while the Avengers and Deadpool 2 are still in theaters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 6 hours ago, TGP said: Not that post, the other post! Could you at least keep up, and stop making so many typos yourself, if you're gonna argue about this stuff? You started this punctuation nonsense. I will keep it up. Please tell me, which post were you referring to when you said, "By the way periods and other punctuation go inside quotation marks." ? 6 hours ago, Brónach said: ... because they spent 400 million to make a movie about more niche topics to be released while the Avengers and Deadpool 2 are still in theaters? A Han Solo story featuring Lando and Chewie is a "niche topic"? I would say that Solo's release date is not even in my 'Top 10 Reasons' it failed to make money. In approximate order: 1. People are holding-out for Episode 9. 2. Fans' disenchantment after The Last Jedi 3. Unconvincing writing / acting from of the title character 4. Mediocre reviews / ratings / word of mouth among fans that the film wasn't that good 5. Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson are still employed at Lucasfilm... and plan to make more movies 6. Many statements/insults from Lucasfilm that failed to address the fans' concerns/complaints regarding the Saga films 7. Mark Hamill admitted that he "fundamentally disagreed with nearly everything that was written" for Luke in TLJ 8. Not many people wanted a Han Solo movie so soon after his sad/shocking death in The Force Awakens 9. SJW droid (droid rights!) 10. Lando could be pansexual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I guarantee that makes up at most 10% of the reason people didn't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I altered my list slightly. Keep in mind it's reasons Solo failed to make money - not just reasons "people didn't see it." In your opinion, what are the other reasons why the movie will loose money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 And there's one other person you pissed off. His name was Phil. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I think Mattris might be the real-life incarnation of the "Almost Politically Correct Redneck" meme guy. Their "disadvantage", is that they have to live on the same planet, as men do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 13 minutes ago, Richard said: Their "disadvantage", is that they have to live on the same planet, as men do. But you're a man too! ...most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I'm still perplexed by the idea that people are still mourning Han Solo. If any of them are Game of Thrones fans they're going to be scarred for life. 2 hours ago, Mattris said: Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson are still employed at Lucasfilm This is an absurd reason to not see a Star Wars movie. If it's true these people need therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 27 minutes ago, Demodex said: I'm still perplexed by the idea that people are still mourning Han Solo. Everybody figured it before even seeing the movie. 2 hours ago, Mattris said: 1. It's not Episode 9. Lucasfilm is counting on this, obviously. 2 hours ago, Mattris said: 10. Lando could be pansexual This isn't even in the movie! If anything, trying to capitalize on the concept would turn queer people off, and we're not a particularly studied demographic when it comes to marketing or selling fiction to us, if at all. (There's a thing going on with Donald Glover and ascenced fanon but obviously it doesn't change the marketing of the movies...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 53 minutes ago, Richard said: Their "disadvantage", is that they have to live on the same planet, as men do. I see we're dabbling in misandry now, do we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I wish it was as simple as "there are men" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Mattris said: If Rey is "a vergeance in the Force" like Anakin, what lazy, unimaginative writing. I know! It's like building a 2nd Death Star! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I think the idea is that Rey isn't that, but Abrams is perfectly capable of that and another death star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I think Rey is a child of the Light Side of the Force, much like how Anakin was a child of the Dark Side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Boooh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 You don't think it's an interesting concept? It corresponds with Lucas's idea of there being a need for balance in the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 There can never be enough death stars - that's how cool they are. The entire franchise should be renamed Death Star Wars. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 @Mattris, you don't happen to have a YouTube channel where you talk about Star Wars a lot, do you? Just curious. I saw a video that totally reminded me of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, Stefancos said: You don't think it's an interesting concept? I always thought the introduction of the concept of miraculous birth into Star Wars was way too on-the-nose, so no. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Yeah, just like most religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I always thought the introduction of the concept of miraculous birth into Star Wars was way too on-the-nose, so no. ROTS introduced the suggestion that this birth may have been engineered by the Sith though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Demodex said: I'm still perplexed by the idea that people are still mourning Han Solo. If any of them are Game of Thrones fans they're going to be scarred for life. This is an absurd reason to not see a Star Wars movie. If it's true these people need therapy. Han Solo is one of the most cherished characters in film history, and he was recently killed. I'm sure some Games of Thrones deaths are more gruesome, but those characters pale in comparison in terms of overall importance. "These people" don't need therapy. And they may not be literally "mourning". But what's actually happening is that many are choosing not to support the bullshit that Lucasfilm is shoveling out. 29 minutes ago, Demodex said: @Mattris, you don't happen to have a YouTube channel where you talk about Star Wars a lot, do you? Just curious. I saw a video that totally reminded me of you. No, sorry. I can direct you to a few good channels, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mattris said: No, sorry. I can direct you to a few good channels, though. By good you mean they agree with you? Hell no. Thanks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, Demodex said: By good you mean they agree with you? Hell no. Thanks anyway. I agree with most of what they have to say. I thought you wanted to me to "keep arguing with" you. These channels could help you to understand the position of those that are learning more and communicating Lucasfilm's seemingly endless missteps and failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Bon Chipman is likely the only sensible guy on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I kind of understand it, I just don't agree that there's a feminist agenda behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Instead of determining whether or not we lose our shit on Star Wars on the idea of feminism, can we please talk about the definition of feminism, and why a "feminist agenda" isn't a bad thing? Or is that beyond the pale at JWFAN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Brónach said: Bon Chipman is likely the only sensible guy on there. Is he that guy who talks really, really fast? I often find his analyses intriguing but shit I wish he'd slow the fuck down. Just now, mstrox said: Instead of determining whether or not we lose our shit on Star Wars on the idea of feminism, can we please talk about the definition of feminism, and why a "feminist agenda" isn't a bad thing? Or is that beyond the pale at JWFAN? ALL MEN MUST DIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted June 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 6, 2018 'Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy are hacks', 'They've ruined Star Wars'. The backlash to The Last Jedi and Solo online and elsewhere has been, quite frankly, embarrassing. It's the same type of shit just like when someone makes a Trump joke and they expect a round of applause for pointing out what everyone already knew, a thick smog of pretension fills the air, 'everyone who disagrees is just a loony'. Here with Solo and Star Wars, it's popular to hate everything. 6 hours ago, Mattris said: A Han Solo story featuring Lando and Chewie is a "niche topic"? I would say that Solo's release date is not even in my 'Top 10 Reasons' it failed to make money. In approximate order: 1. It's not Episode 9. 2. Fans' disenchantment after The Last Jedi 3. Unconvincing writing / acting from of the title character 4. Mediocre reviews / ratings / word of mouth among fans that the film wasn't that good 5. Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson are still employed at Lucasfilm... and plan to make more movies 6. Many statements/insults from Lucasfilm that failed to address the fans' concerns/complaints regarding the Saga films 7. Mark Hamill admitted that he "fundamentally disagreed with nearly everything that was written" for Luke in TLJ 8. Not many people wanted a Han Solo movie so soon after his sad/shocking death in The Force Awakens 9. SJW droid (droid rights!) 10. Lando could be pansexual Quote 1. It's not Episode 9. That didn't stop people from seeing Rogue One. Quote 2. Fans' disenchantment after The Last Jedi No true scotsman fallacy. Fans were upset, yes, but a large portion still found the film entertaining, bought tickets and the home media. Quote 3. Unconvincing writing / acting from of the title character I've personally not encountered the criticism for Han's portrayal in Solo, I think that's one thing people have been positive about because it isn't a straight Harrison Ford impersonation. Quote 4. Mediocre reviews / ratings / word of mouth among fans that the film wasn't that good I never listen to the fans or the audience reviews, simply because I never expect another fan's opinions to be near my own. Quote 5. Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson are still employed at Lucasfilm... and plan to make more movies They've both enjoyed careers in producing films, in Kennedy's case she has had a hand in some of the most beloved film franchises in history. They aren't going to roll over because a bunch of crybabies didn't like their movie. Quote 6. Many statements/insults from Lucasfilm that failed to address the fans' concerns/complaints regarding the Saga films What concerns? That they should just give up? 'Hey lucasfilm, I hated TFA, TLJ, Solo and R1, so you guys better make a good film next time'. Please. Quote 7. Mark Hamill admitted that he "fundamentally disagreed with nearly everything that was written" for Luke in TLJ Not sure if it has been addressed here yet, but Hamill made statements before and after that little tidbit saying that he disagreed with Johnson on the direction of Luke's character, but ultimately came to the conclusion that it was up to the director to shape Luke's character and not his role as an actor. This whole quote is generally warped far from the truth of the matter. Quote 8. Not many people wanted a Han Solo movie so soon after his sad/shocking death in The Force Awakens I agree with the first part, the part about it being 'too soon' I think is ridiculous. Nothing's too soon. Quote 9. SJW droid (droid rights!) 10. Lando could be pansexual I've never cottoned on to the 'SJW mentality is ruining the films' narrative simply because it isn't surprising that a film today carries the social commentary and messages of the time. Sometimes it can be a bit on the nose, but not to the extent that it 'ruined Star Wars', and if you have to even say a thing like that then you really need to go home and rethink your life. These are just films, yet a lot of people seem to take them and worship them in such an unhealthy way. Mitth'raw'nuorodo, Holko and Chen G. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I do think parts of the casual filmgoing public were also dissappointed by The Last Jedi, to the point that they weren't going to see another Star Wars movie premiering just a few months afterwards. There's plenty wrong in The Last Jedi, even with all the fan-complaints aside. Michael Tucker said it very well: "I felt unenthused. The Force Awakens left me excited for more Star Wars. I had to force myself to watch The Last Jedi a second time." The same is true for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, Margo Channing said: Is he that guy who talks really, really fast? I often find his analyses intriguing but shit I wish he'd slow the fuck down. He talks so fast it's funny to me (at first I was simply disconcerted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 The Last Jedi isn't without flaws, and I was disappointed by the film AND the score, but not to the levels of throwing a hissy fit over the legacy of the franchise. SteveMc and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I had pretty forgotten it existed because I couldn't get into TFA no matter how competent it is, and then I saw it one morning and I loved it. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,720 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 25 minutes ago, mstrox said: Instead of determining whether or not we lose our shit on Star Wars on the idea of feminism, can we please talk about the definition of feminism, and why a "feminist agenda" isn't a bad thing? Oh please let's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Arpy said: The Last Jedi isn't without flaws, and I was disappointed by the film AND the score, but not to the levels of throwing a hissy fit over the legacy of the franchise. I firmly believe that most fans think that Star Wars is in the wrong hands and on the wrong track. We are choosing to voice our complaints and cease all spending on Lucasfilm products. Hopefully Disney will listen and do something soon to right the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 *snort* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Another aspect to consider is that many people had written off Star Wars after TPM and AotC, or at least gotten used to the fact that their fandom would be selective. TFA had the monumental task of getting everyone back on board, and, by and large it succeeded—many people are along for the ride. For some, though, it’s all too easy to lump any movie they don’t like in with the preexisting list of movies-they-don’t-like (or movies-that-don’t-exist… just like KotCS). Another point is that I had heard people state that Solo was a bad idea for years before the film’s release. I don’t know why—for me it’s a pretty solid concept. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 I still bought all the merchandise and shit, at this point I've become more a fan of the filmmaking as opposed to the film! Mattress me old pal, I think making all these bloody spin-offs is like milking a bull, there ain't much to milk if at all. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mattris said: I firmly believe that most fans think that Star Wars is in the wrong hands and on the wrong track. We are choosing to voice our complaints and cease all spending on Lucasfilm products. Hopefully Disney will listen and do something soon to right the ship. Christopher Nolan for Episode IX! But seriously, Solo was a failure because people have Star Wars fatigue, not for ideological aggravations. They just were not interested in what was, in essence, an unnecessary film, no matter how good or bad it was. Arpy and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 Fatigue is a good word for it. It's why I've had it with the Superhero genre too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 People were so fatigued after Black Panther, it looks like Infinity War might not make it to $2 billion. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 The name 'Infinity War' sounds fatiguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,083 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 It's just a limit value. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,950 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 2 hours ago, mstrox said: can we please talk about the definition of feminism, and why a "feminist agenda" isn't a bad thing? Or is that beyond the pale at JWFAN? Feminism is a none-issue, certainly in movies. If you believe at all in the values of western democracy, you are a classical feminist. If however you believe that workplaces, professions (and, to the point, casts in films) ought be populated by women proportionally to their part in the general population - than you're not really a feminist, you've just been misinformed about western values. That is all. The latter is really yet to become an issue with the movie-making buisness, so I don't get it as a complaint against Disney's Star Wars: a female protagonist (and Rey is a fine example of one) is not the same as a 50/50 male/female cast in what is essentially an action movie. Holko and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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