SteveMc 2,674 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Thought it was about time for this. Though The Book Thief is my subjective favorite, I have to go with TFA. Williams returned to the franchise, gave a full bodied core full of interesting themes, adapted his style to modern scoring, and set up great anticipation for the next film and score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 You forgot Dear Basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted July 20, 2018 Author Share Posted July 20, 2018 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: You forgot Dear Basketball. We're keeping it feature length here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 Lincoln Who would have thought that he could compose refreshingly new americana, after all those years of boring us to hell with it. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 I don't think I would have ever predicted that you would be the first one to vote with me for Lincoln, Brundlefly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2018 When I first listened to Lincoln, I was bored because it didn't have enough "tension", it was too "reverent". After revisiting it a couple of years ago, I realized 19 year-old me was a dummyhead. The richness and beguiling simplicity of this score makes it a Williams career highlight for me. One of my favorite Williams moments, gets me right in the heart: SteveMc, Joni Wiljami, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1: TFA 2: War Horse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1. TFA 2. Lincoln 3. War Horse 4. The Adventures of Tits 5. The Post 6. The Book Thief 7. The BFG 8. TLJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The Post and Book Thief over TLJ? That's cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Falafel said: The Post and Book Thief over TLJ? That's cold. Absolutely. The Book Thief has a solid main theme/ a pleasant wintery feel and The Post is a nice little bonus score that covers fairly fresh stylistic territory for Williams. I really don't care for TLJ. I'm neither a fan of its new themes nor its adaptation of the old ones nor most of its underscore (which is far too reliant on short, disconnected high brass bursts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I hadn't sat down and listened to TFA all the way through since the LTP concert last year. I remember appreciating it a lot more after the MSO performed it (the writing was so much richer live and the balance of the orchestra was far superior to the brass-heavy OST mix), but I finally gave the expanded soundtrack a listen from start to finish the other day, after only listening to select tracks in isolation this year. Wow. It just blew me away how good this score is. I could wax lyrical for hours about it, but right now I'd comfortably say it's not just one of the best scores this decade, but probably one of his best Star Wars scores ever. Sublime, restrained, streamlined and lyrical. SteveMc and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 35 minutes ago, crumbs said: I hadn't sat down and listened to TFA all the way through since the LTP concert last year. I remember appreciating it a lot more after the MSO performed it (the writing was so much richer live and the balance of the orchestra was far superior to the brass-heavy OST mix), but I finally gave the expanded soundtrack a listen from start to finish the other day, after only listening to select tracks in isolation this year. Wow. It just blew me away how good this score is. I could wax lyrical for hours about it, but right now I'd comfortably say it's not just one of the best scores this decade, but probably one of his best Star Wars scores ever. Sublime, restrained, streamlined and lyrical. Shucks, man, that's some real high praise. It's definitely my least favorite Star Wars score. How does it compare to The Last Jedi, in your mind? Did you use one of the playlists on YouTube for the expanded score? With your enthusiasm, I want to re-evaluate my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 It's just over AotC and RotS for me. It has major downtime in the middle, not unique and iconic enough setpieces, but mainly just the (for lack of a better word) atrocious recording/mix. Rey's Theme is its one big saving grace. I still hate March of the Resistance here except for the first quiet buildup in "The Resistance" (first 11 seconds), love every appearance of it in TLJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Holko said: It's just over AotC I can't in good conscience list this score on the bottom when it has tracks like this (especially around the highlighted time--that cello line rising up into that Close Encounters chord is the kind of stuff that defines Star Wars for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The Force Awakens is my least favourite Star Wars soundtrack as well. TFA has great themes, TLJ has great setpieces, EPIX will hopefully have both. If I had to rank all of his scores from this decade: Lincoln War Horse The Force Awakens/The Last Jedi The Adventures of Tintin The Post The Book Thief The BFG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The Force Awakens is my least favourite Star Wars soundtrack as well. In defense of the score, though, I will say that the alternate cues hint at a much more interesting and richer score, before presumably JJ Abrams had him tone down the Star Wars for a Star Wars movie. crumbs and aviazn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Really?! Interesting! Links? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Just now, Brundlefly said: Really?! Interesting! Links? I hope I didn't psyche you out just to acquaint you with stuff you already know. You're already familiar with the alternate Han Solo death music and the (rightfully) removed First Order rally music, yeah? Listening to some stuff on YouTube, I've also been hearing stuff that's either in the movie but not on the album, or alternates integrated with the final cues (I'm not familiar enough with the music or the film to know). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Don't get your hopes up, they're back channel rips from the documentaries and bluray menus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Holko said: Don't get your hopes up, they're back channel rips from the documentaries and bluray menus. You say this in regard to what specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: You say this in regard to what specifically? Hit send before your reply arrived. I meant they're not exactly great quality stuff in reply to his excited "Really? Where?" Will TFA need a mammoth box like Ben-Hur or 10 Commandments? Discs 1-2: the film presentation, Discs 3-4: Williams' intended presentation, additional alternates put on discs 2 and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,016 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 War Horse is the best album, Tintin is the best score but most of it was recorded before 2010 so I'll go with The Book Thief instead. Karol SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 All things considered, 'Lincoln'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 They are all fantastic but The Book Thief is the winner!! SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 TIntin, if only for the main title music which was something different than what we're used to.. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Nick Parker said: I hope I didn't psyche you out just to acquaint you with stuff you already know. You're already familiar with the alternate Han Solo death music and the (rightfully) removed First Order rally music, yeah? Listening to some stuff on YouTube, I've also been hearing stuff that's either in the movie but not on the album, or alternates integrated with the final cues (I'm not familiar enough with the music or the film to know). Yeah, bizarre that JJ of all people failed to understand JW's importance to the films. Every unused or alternate cue is unabashed, John Williams Star Wars gloriness. TLJ absolutely mops the floor with TFA in this regard, with about half a dozen moments of pure musical extroversion. You knew from the opening sequence (the death of Rose's sister) that Rian had a far better appreciation for Williams' role in the series than JJ, despite all the outward fawning. The series has always relied on moments like The Spark, or Finn's Sacrifice, or Holdos Resolve, or the end of The Last Jedi, to convey the drama. TFA is sadly lacking in such melodramatic highlights, but only in its final form - - we know both Han's death and the parade grounds sequence were scored in the vein of the OTT prequels. Holko, Joni Wiljami, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Nothing in TLJ comes close to the emotional combination of score and imagery in "The Starkiller". SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 18 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You forgot Dear Basketball. 18 hours ago, Steve McQueen said: We're keeping it feature length here. CONRACK has a score of fifteen minutes. I wouldn't call that "feature-length", Steve. DEAR BASKETBALL is a score in a made-for-cinema film. It deserves to be included. Anyway, I voted for THE BOOK THIEF. The film is risible, but the score makes a welcome change from all that STAR WARS sturm und drang. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 Glad to see The Book Thief making a strong(ish) showing! Dear Basketball has been added by popular demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said: Glad to see The Book Thief making a strong(ish) showing! Dear Basketball has been added by popular demand. Your worst sellout since you did car commercials! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 None of these rise above 'okay', but I'd probably soonest volunteer for BFG and Book Thief revisits. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted July 21, 2018 Author Share Posted July 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Your worst sellout since you did car commercials! LeMans is not a car commercial! It is a masterpiece! Bullit too! aviazn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The Force Awakens for me. Not sure which one I would put after that. Maybe Lincoln. A.I. was the best of the 2000s (followed by Memoirs of a Geisha and Revenge of the Sith as the top 3 of the 00s). I am not that fond of any of his 2010s scores, The Force Awakens is the best of the lot, but I prefer all of the top 3 scores of the 2000s over it, especially A.I. of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Voted Lincoln, it was either that or Episode VII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Love to see so many votes for TLJ. It is also amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Locrius 97 Posted July 21, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 21, 2018 THE LAST JEDI, hands down. Basically everything I liked from THE FORCE AWAKENS, but more. TFA was great for defining the sound of the ST; TLJ honed it and perfected it. And "The Fathiers" is one of the most exciting chase cues from Williams in years. Joni Wiljami, aviazn, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The Force Awakens The Last Jedi Lincoln The Post ... are my Top 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, Locrius said: And "The Fathiers" is one of the most exciting chase cues from Williams in years. since mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Funny how The Pursuit of the Falcon could easily be a Star Wars track title. Mitth'raw'nuorodo and Locrius 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I think War Horse is my favorite OST and I enjoy Tintin or Last Jedi most in context. Force Awakens and Lincoln are like virtually perfect but a little less shameless. Those five are the ones that make me especially happy he's doing his thing as someone always looking to fill my ears with impressive movie music. They're more or less the scores I'd been craving during the late 2000s period when he wasn't writing much. The rest are also worthwhile with "John Williams drug soup" highlights but feel like I go back to those primarily as a die-hard JWFan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 The mistake with The Last Jedi OST is there's no Holdo's Resolve or so many other worthy moments you can check out on the FYC or the ISO score. Instead we get The Cave, which I still can't seem to hear on any speaker I've tried. Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I love "The Cave" in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 Well it should've looked more like this: The Cave (feat. Daisy Ridley*) *-snapping Mitth'raw'nuorodo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 46 minutes ago, Jerry said: The mistake with The Last Jedi OST is there's no Holdo's Resolve or so many other worthy moments you can check out on the FYC or the ISO score. Instead we get The Cave, which I still can't seem to hear on any speaker I've tried. 28 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I love "The Cave" in the film. I feel like a lot of Williams' dramatic more underscore-y writing for these new Star Wars films have tended to be too stiff (lots of thick, sustained string chords and similar more static textures), that come off a little flat, but "The Cave", especially when it gets all War of the Worlds, is one that really adds a strong layer to the film and affects me viscerally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 47 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: I feel like a lot of Williams' dramatic more underscore-y writing for these new Star Wars films have tended to be too stiff (lots of thick, sustained string chords and similar more static textures), that come off a little flat. TFA had this problem, TLJ had not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 The Force Awakens, because I'm not familiar with the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 TFA War Horse Tintin Wow, Lincoln is really popular. More popular than SW? WTH. I don't dislike this score, but it's not in my Top 3 of this decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locrius 97 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I'm kind of surprised TINTIN isn't more popular. I'd probably put it right up there behind TLJ and TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Josh500 said: TFA War Horse Tintin Wow, Lincoln is really popular. More popular than SW? WTH. I don't dislike this score, but it's not in my Top 3 of this decade. Lincoln >>> > TLJ filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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