mstrox 6,651 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 It worked well enough for me underscoring the action as a Supero Bourne score which is what this movie seemed to want to be. The only part at all that seemed out of place to me was the Avengers quote - felt weird in the moment and also as a piece of the score overall which had a very different tone. I’ll agree that nothing grabbed me and made me want to jump into a listen, although I don’t think any score is successful or unsuccessful based on that metric. I’ll give it a couple listens sometime. MCU scores in general don’t do a lot for me - usually just one or two tracks that stand out from the movie, if any. Didn’t pick any up on my viewing for this one, though, so shunt this one into the category with stuff like Djiwadi’s Iron Man, Debney’s Iron Man 2, Doyle’s Thor, Toprak’s Captain Marvel, etc…. for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 Oh I really liked the Avengers Theme quote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mxsch 115 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jay said: Oh I really liked the Avengers Theme quote! Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonRain96 11 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Seriously, I’ve tried figuring out track listings for Black Widow just based on name alone, but Balfe gave everything such vague, generic and nondescript titles, I don’t even have the SLIGHTEST idea where any of the tracks are supposed to be properly positioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I think a lot of the tracks are thematic suites or pieces put together. Because neither the bridge fight nor the budapest chase has complete cues on the album. Red Rising is a shorter version of the actual film cue. Arise is actually like that in the film. Amd I don't even know where Whirlwind fits. It's a bit of a weird album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 13 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 So I haven't finished listening to the Black Widow album, but I think the album most of the cues feel like they are from the movie but are shorter than the version in the movie again I've only seen the movie once and haven't finished listening yet, but I'm wondering if the album has a lot of cues shortened Also I think that Natasha's Lullaby plays during the end credits and The Descent is easy to place for anyone who's seen the movie, but I will agree the names make if difficult to place where they go chronologically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 8 hours ago, mstrox said: It worked well enough for me underscoring the action as a Supero Bourne score which is what this movie seemed to want to be. The only part at all that seemed out of place to me was the Avengers quote - felt weird in the moment and also as a piece of the score overall which had a very different tone. I’ll agree that nothing grabbed me and made me want to jump into a listen, although I don’t think any score is successful or unsuccessful based on that metric. I’ll give it a couple listens sometime. MCU scores in general don’t do a lot for me - usually just one or two tracks that stand out from the movie, if any. Didn’t pick any up on my viewing for this one, though, so shunt this one into the category with stuff like Djiwadi’s Iron Man, Debney’s Iron Man 2, Doyle’s Thor, Toprak’s Captain Marvel, etc…. for me. Same. I think for a Marvel score, Black Widow is pretty good, but I agree that nothing really grabs me most of the time across 24 films. There are like 30 mins of memorable music across the whole franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: Amd I don't even know where Whirlwind fits. It's a bit of a weird album Wait, do you think Whirlwind doesn't play in the movie? If so, that's disappointing, it's the best action cue on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 13 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 So after seeing Black Widow again, honestly the album is weird like I think the cues on the album are all in the movie (most all of them), I don't think there is much editing to them but they are really hard to place as the track titles don't really make sense when you read them and try to fit them to the scenes I did figure out a few though I think. The Descent is played at the end of the film when the characters fall through the sky Whirlwind is played during the Helicopter sequence at the prison From the Shadows is played during The Bridge Fight near the beginning of the film The Pursuit is the runway sequence right at the beginning Natasha Soars is the first part of the end credits Arise is played during the fight between Natasha and the other Widows Natasha's Lullaby is not in the movie I think those are right, all I was able to work out hope it helps and any feed back on these would be very helpful and appreciated Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Jerry said: The Descent is played at the end of the film when the characters fall through the sky Whirlwind is played during the Helicopter sequence at the prison From the Shadows is played during The Bridge Fight near the beginning of the film The Pursuit is the runway sequence right at the beginning Natasha Soars is the first part of the end credits Arise is played during the fight between Natasha and the other Widows Natasha's Lullaby is not in the movie I agree with all of these. But Whirlwind is not the prison scene. I checked and Red Rising is de cue for that scene, but a lot shorter than in the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 The first piece of music that grabbed me was the highway battle from Winter Soldier, so I am glad that Henry Jackman at least kept being used for Captain America movie/series. Nowadays I listen to scores first a lot more, rather than seeing them in context.. Thats probably not the best way to to go about it, but I am too impatient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Gave the first couple of tracks a listen - the opening theme is okay, typical Russian-flavoured theme. Lactrodectus is just a typical RCP action cue really. I'm sure it works fine in the film, but as a standalone listen, not really doing a whole lot for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 13 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: I agree with all of these. But Whirlwind is not the prison scene. I checked and Red Rising is de cue for that scene, but a lot shorter than in the film Alright awesome, so I also think Fireflies is either the opening or the very last scene before the end credits, and then for the action cues we still have Latrodectus, The First Bite Is The Deepest, Whirlwind, and The Betrayed which I think that The Betrayed is played at some point during the finale just not sure where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 On 7/10/2021 at 3:39 PM, Disco Stu said: I don't really post movie/TV opinions on the forum anymore I hope you change your mind about this because I am sure I am not alone in enjoying reading your thoughts on the media you consume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Fireflies is the first thing you hear in the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 On 7/13/2021 at 5:31 AM, Jerry said: So after seeing Black Widow again, honestly the album is weird like I think the cues on the album are all in the movie (most all of them), I don't think there is much editing to them but they are really hard to place as the track titles don't really make sense when you read them and try to fit them to the scenes I did figure out a few though I think. The Descent is played at the end of the film when the characters fall through the sky Whirlwind is played during the Helicopter sequence at the prison From the Shadows is played during The Bridge Fight near the beginning of the film The Pursuit is the runway sequence right at the beginning Natasha Soars is the first part of the end credits Arise is played during the fight between Natasha and the other Widows Natasha's Lullaby is not in the movie I think those are right, all I was able to work out hope it helps and any feed back on these would be very helpful and appreciated Found out that Into The Past is the whole apartment + rooftop chase with the widows. In the film it start when Yelena mentions the red room and ends with the shot of the widow lying in the water. After that the chase scene on the motorbike starts. And I believe the whole chase is a mix of Latrodectus and The First Bite Is The Deepest. But both seem to slow for some reason. And there's some choral work in the chase that I can't find anywhere on the album. So if it's on the album it's alternate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 13 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: Found out that Into The Past is the whole apartment + rooftop chase with the widows. In the film it start when Yelena mentions the red room and ends with the shot of the widow lying in the water. After that the chase scene on the motorbike starts Fantastic! Thank You, so far we have Fireflies (Opening) The Pursuit (The Runway Escape) From The Shadows (Bridge Fight) Into The Past (Apartment Scene / Rooftop Chase) Red Rising (Prison Sequence) Arise (Natasha Vs. Widows) The Descent (Fall From The Red Room) Natasha Soars (First Part of End Credits) Also I think that Faces To The Sun is right at the end when they all say Goodbye and Natasha's Lullaby is not used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 ‘Black Widow’ Composer Reveals How Russian Poetry Influenced the Film’s Score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamleyeti 114 Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 (I haven't post in months and it's on a Lorne Balfe topic...) I liked the album so I went to see the movie and while it's not great, it was entertaining. I was a bit disappointed by the absence in the (actual) movie of WHIRLWIND and NATASHA SOARS, two really stunning action tracks. The overall thematic content is pretty solid but barely heard on screen. Again, looks like someone at Marvel really dislikes themes. I mean, unless it's the Avengers theme :D Edmilson and Smeltington 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 Just watched the movie today, and LB's score worked well enough. I was also disappointed that Whirlwind was unused. Maybe it was an alternate from an action scene that ended up being re-scored? I mean, Brian Tyler also includes on his OST albums the film version of a cue and its alternate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 A bit of what feels like a recycled score going on. Zero themes worth a damn, Inception-esque rhythmic action and recycled soundfonts. Quite possibly the worst MCU score. Balfe has done better, but this sounds phoned-in. I wonder what Desplat would've done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules 59 Posted July 18, 2021 Share Posted July 18, 2021 It's funny I knew well ahead there was an Avengers theme quote in the film and didn't even notice it. I assume it was for the final scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 The best cue in the movie was during the prologue. Nice use of piano + strings for Natasha's childhood. Is the HZ.com fansite still active? Maybe people there already figured a chronological order for the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 On 7/18/2021 at 7:54 PM, Jules said: It's funny I knew well ahead there was an Avengers theme quote in the film and didn't even notice it. I assume it was for the final scene? It was when she took off in her new jet in the very last scene, before it panned down to the fireflies in the woods On 7/18/2021 at 8:02 PM, Edmilson said: Is the HZ.com fansite still active? Maybe people there already figured a chronological order for the album. Here is what seems to be an informed take, on Filmtracks https://www.filmtracks.com/scoreboard/forum.cgi?read=96613 Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 8 tracks dont appear in the movie? What the hell happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I think the guy speculates in this way in that thread, but it’s likely that the album is full of Balfe’s pre-recording theme suites/presentations. They also mention it wouldn’t be the first time, citing some other Balfey release. I still haven’t listened to this album yet - it’s sitting with a buncha other stuff I bought and am working through - but I kind of favor the idea of that in scores like this (or in things like JXL’s Justice League, etc.) - frankly, I don’t know whether it’s how the music is recorded or how it’s sweetened in post, but everything has the sound of synth theme demos in the end, so why not include the things expressly written for listening consumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Yeah, it's pretty odd that almost half of the music in the album doesn't appear in the movie. I still think some of the unused tracks are alternates he favored instead of the film version for the album. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Filmtracks gives this four stars. Am I out of touch or is he? I'm worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted September 25, 2021 Author Share Posted September 25, 2021 Everybody likes different things mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I like some of the tracks in the album basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Me too. (Of course the movie didnt use most of those!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I didn't even notice the music on the movie. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Yeah, me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I thought the score was fine. It’s not one I’ll go out of my way to revisit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drawgoon 100 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 I get a feeling that the Filmtracks editor generally likes Russian tones. He seems to be taking a relatively softer tone towards such scores, even if their composer is someone he is usually quite critical about. I like parts of this one too. But I think hearing Desplat's take on the subject might have been a more rewarding experience - especially if he was (miraculously) given enough creative liberties to take things outside of these studios' comfort zones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 On 25/09/2021 at 12:24 PM, bollemanneke said: Filmtracks gives this four stars. Am I out of touch or is he? I'm worried. You're fine. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 13 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 So does anyone have the full chronological order figured out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeltaPupJux 47 Posted December 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2022 You know.. if anyone here would like, I can just post the full list of slates from the sessions. I am uncertain if any of the [cue] names were changed though. Just let me know if you would like this... Edmilson, TSMefford, JNHFan2000 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 624 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, DeltaPupJux said: You know.. if anyone here would like, I can just post the full list of slates from the sessions. I am uncertain if any of the [cue] names were changed though. Just let me know if you would like this... I would be interested Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 As would I, especially given how much of a maze the score is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 16, 2022 Author Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 01/12/2022 at 5:17 PM, DeltaPupJux said: You know.. if anyone here would like, I can just post the full list of slates from the sessions. I am uncertain if any of the [cue] names were changed though. Just let me know if you would like this... You should always assume someone in interested in any reel part numbers you know that aren't already posted somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I'm interested in the reel/part numbers and cue names as well. The score as heard in the movie is quite different from the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaPupJux 47 Posted December 17, 2022 Share Posted December 17, 2022 10 hours ago, Jay said: You should always assume someone in interested in any reel part numbers you know that aren't already posted somewhere! Noted. I've not had the chance to post these yet, but I'll make a point to do so by Sunday. Life happens.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeltaPupJux 47 Posted December 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2022 All, pardon the delay. Life's been.. well, "life". Here you go: Black Widow (Lorne Balfe) BLB 1m00 Marvel Studios Fanfare BLB 1m01v6.05 Upside Down BLB 1m01v6.05ALT Upside Down BLB 1m04v2.06 Adventure Day BLB 1m05s American Pie BLB 1m06v11.00 Narrow Escape BLB 1m07c2.00 Russian Exchange BLB 1m07c2.01ALT Russian Exchange BLB 1m08s Smells Like Teen Spirit BLB 2m09-10v1.04 Nat Reflects/Bus Station BLB 2m11v1.04 Yelena Defects BLB 2m12v1.02 Supply Run BLB 2m15v2.01 Mason Identities BLB 2m16s Bond Fights Snake BLB 2m17s Cheap Thrills BLB 2m18v2.03ALT Tit for Tat BLB 2m19v3.00 Natasha Shortline BLB 3m21v1.11 Apartment Fight BLB 3m22v8.14 Rooftop Escape BLB 3m23v6.03 Budapest Bike BLB 3m24Av5.09 Car Chase Pt1 BLB 3m24Bv3.09 Car Chase Pt2 BLB 2m25-26v1.08 Flip and Slide/Sisters BLB 4m27s Atshan ya Zeina BLB 4m28v4.05 Family's Past BLB 4m29v6.04 Need a Jet? BLB 4m30v1.03 Cookie Time BLB 5m31Av6.10 Gulag BLB 5m31Bv6.05 Gulag End BLB 5m32v3.00 Melina Lives BLB 5m34v4.03 Homecoming BLB 5m35v3.00 Remembering Home BLB 6m36v2.01 Let's Drink BLB 6m38v1.00 Farmhouse Banter BLB 6m39v6.00 Nat's Story BLB 6m41v3.06 Farmhouse Attack BLB 7m43v8.03 Dreykov's Den BLB 7m44v3.00 This is It! BLB 7m45v1.02 Romanoff Reveal BLB 7m46v2.07 Vostokof Face-Off BLB 7m47v2.00 No Earpiece BLB 7m48v3.03 What Was Her Name? BLB 7m50v2.08 Control Room Search BLB 8m51v6.06 No More BS BLB 8m52v1.00 TM Alexei Battle BLB 8m53v4.02 Widow Fight BLB 8m53v4.05ALT Widow Fight BLB 8m54v2.00 De-Subjugated BLB 8m55Av8.00 Descent Pt1 BLB 8m55Av8.03ALT Descent Pt1 BLB 8m55Bv9.01 Descent Pt2 BLB 9m56v1.08 Ground Below BLB 9m57-58v1.01 Apologies BLB 9m59v2.05 Widows Return BLB 9m60v9.05 QuinJet BLB 9m61v2.00 Graveyard BLB 9m62v3.03 Natasha's Journey Epic BLB 9m63Av1.00 Sisters BLB 9m63Bv2.03 Assassins BLB 9m64v2.01 Yelena's Theme BLB 9m65v1.00 Barton Tag BLB Action1 v5.01 BLB Action2 v5.01 BLB Action3 v3.00 BLB Dreykov Theme v1.02 BLB Natasha's Journey (w choir) v4.00 BLB Natasha's Journey Varation401 v1.03 BLB Natasha's Journey Variation402 v2.00 BLB Natasha Variation Light101 v1.00 BLB Yelena's Theme Emotional v1.02 Hope this helps.. enderdrag64, Edmilson and DemonStar 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 What does BLB stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, Jay said: What does BLB stand for? "The name's Balfe. Lorne Balfe" *cue spy music* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 Oh, because Desplat recorded something first? Or were their additional composers on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 If it's not the initials of the film, it’s often the initials of the working title. However, I'm seeing the one for BW is supposedly Blue Bayou, which I'm not sure how you get BLB out of (unless it's like BLue Bayou). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Blue Lorne Balfe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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