Popular Post Nemesis 250 Posted June 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2020 HBO & Spitfire Audio recently teamed up for a worldwide scoring competiton. It was a great opportunity to score a car chase. This is my entry: I posted a breakdown of the cue in the youtube video description. Please post your submission here if you also participated. Manakin Skywalker, Jurassic Shark, ChrisAfonso and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Good luck in the competition! Nemesis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Do you know how many submissions there is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 I think about 500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules 59 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Great work man! Last minute or so has a kind of superhero feel. Nemesis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 @Nemesis the entries are now closed but just for fun I wanted to take a whack at it since I have nothing better to do at the moment. I think the footage was taken off the website; is there anyway you'd be able to send me the clip? That's fine if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Nice job! And good luck, because I think Fredric Chopin did the best job scoring a Westworld scene. Insanely enchanting, tough competition: Nemesis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: @Nemesis the entries are now closed but just for fun I wanted to take a whack at it since I have nothing better to do at the moment. I think the footage was taken off the website; is there anyway you'd be able to send me the clip? That's fine if not. Will send you a PM. 4 hours ago, Borodin said: Nice job! And good luck, because I think Fredric Chopin did the best job scoring a Westworld scene. Insanely enchanting, tough competition: Every composer had to score the same scene, so no competition with Chopin at all. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRico 0 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 @Nemesis Where can you find the blank clip? Same deal, want to take a crack at it just for kicks. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mic 1 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Very nice work @Nemesis!! Your score is very exciting and has great orchestration as well. I also really like the way you mixed the samples, as they sound very realistic and crisp. I also entered the competition and here is my entry: Hope you guys enjoy and please let me know what you think! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 This has been all the rage recently. So many people are participating, my facebook feed has been full of them -- including two of my Norwegian composer friends Kate Havnevik and Knut Avenstroup Haugen. I wouldn't be in the jury members' shoes; we must be talking thousands of submissions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Mic said: Very nice work @Nemesis!! Your score is very exciting and has great orchestration as well. I also really like the way you mixed the samples, as they sound very realistic and crisp. I also entered the competition and here is my entry: Hope you guys enjoy and please let me know what you think! Impressive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 @Mic Very nice! I like the overall tone you chose for the scene. The finale sounds cool with the logo. Thanks for showing up here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Fascinating that they chose possibly one of the most anaemic action sequences ever put to television for this competition. Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 Maybe I’m just biased because it was so poorly executed in the show. The guy in the scene isn’t injured, he’s drugged up with a substance called “genre” that changes his hallucinations/emotional reactions suddenly to align with common film genres, like noir, romance etc. It’s a nifty idea but atrociously realised in the show. The scene was originally tracked with Wagner’s “Ride of the Valkyries” for some reason. The editing is glacially slow, the acting is flat-out weird and there’s no other cars in the middle of this supposedly high-octane sequence because they clearly only had 3 or 4 of the futuristic cars in their budget. Fabulin, Muad'Dib and Montre 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,517 Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: Maybe I’m just biased because it was so poorly executed in the show. The guy in the scene isn’t injured, he’s drugged up with a substance called “genre” that changes his hallucinations/emotional reactions suddenly to align with common film genres, like noir, romance etc. It’s a nifty idea but atrociously realised in the show. The scene was originally tracked with Wagner’s “Ride of the Valkyries” for some reason. The editing is glacially slow, the acting is flat-out weird and there’s no other cars in the middle of this supposedly high-octane sequence because they clearly only had 3 or 4 of the futuristic cars in their budget. Jerry Goldsmith it is then! Jay, Score and Docteur Qui 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Today is the winners announcement: Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Did you win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Did you win? I recommend to watch it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montre 79 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Yikes. Nemesis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I wouldn't feel comfortable having Ramin Djawadi judge my music. MikeH and Montre 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, gkgyver said: I wouldn't feel comfortable having Ramin Djawadi judge my music. "Is that a melody I hear? NEXT!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Lots of whiny cunts in the comments. "wHy dddIdN't mY entry win ???" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted June 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2020 I finally just watched the winning clip. WTF was that? Were we just rickrolled by Spitfire? This has to be some sort of massive practical joke the likes of which the world has never seen before... If I had submitted a composition I'd be pissed. But as an outsider in this case I think it's hilarious. I do feel bad for the composer though; on one hand, he won. He got $20k worth of products and public recognition. But on the other hand, that recognition is mostly resentment. I already see some people heckling him on Twitter. Not Mr. Big, Montre and Tydirium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Just watched the clip. That was fucking hilarious, that guy deserves the prize Docteur Qui and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Montre 79 Posted June 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2020 You would initially think that the backlash is a bunch of sore losers, but even people who didn’t take part in the competition are appalled. They removed the likes vs dislikes of their winner announcement video because last I checked it was approaching 60% dislikes and the comments are almost unanimously questioning the results. It’s not enough to be different, if it doesn’t also legitimately score the scene well. I question how they listened to over 11,000 entries and gave everyone a fair shot because at least one of the runners up has a fairly established YouTube subscriber base and their entry was honestly nothing special compared to several others I listened to. On 6/23/2020 at 6:34 AM, Docteur Qui said: Maybe I’m just biased because it was so poorly executed in the show. The guy in the scene isn’t injured, he’s drugged up with a substance called “genre” that changes his hallucinations/emotional reactions suddenly to align with common film genres, like noir, romance etc. It’s a nifty idea but atrociously realised in the show. The scene was originally tracked with Wagner’s “Ride of the Valkyries” for some reason. The editing is glacially slow, the acting is flat-out weird and there’s no other cars in the middle of this supposedly high-octane sequence because they clearly only had 3 or 4 of the futuristic cars in their budget. I too think the original scene is terrible. Tydirium, Muad'Dib and Manakin Skywalker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,595 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Is... this all some elaborate prank? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 188 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I like it - it brilliantly plays with the concept of genre perception distortion and IMHO takes the weakness of the scene (as elaborated above: too little genuine tension for a supposedly dramatic chase) and full-on acknowledges it by turning it into "it's like a game". The mix between the chiptune/rock/orchestra hybrid elements sounds very well done, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, ChrisAfonso said: I like it - it brilliantly plays with the concept of genre perception distortion and IMHO takes the weakness of the scene (as elaborated above: too little genuine tension for a supposedly dramatic chase) and full-on acknowledges it by turning it into "it's like a game". The mix between the chiptune/rock/orchestra hybrid elements sounds very well done, too. I agree. It's getting a lot of flack everywhere, but I like the idea. And it also feels more coherent and original and thematic, musically, than a lot of the other entries I've seen (that have all treated it traditionally, with all the obligatory action tropes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,757 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 The winning entry is definitely different, and I like the general orchestration in his approach. But, as mentioned in one of the YT comments, those Mario effects and theme are way OTT. Maybe they're trying to show what's going on inside Aaron Paul's head, but it feels wrong for the scene. If I received this track as a director, I'd ask the composer to lose everything except the orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 I know that my approach of scoring this scene was way too old fashioned. But it's what I like listen to, so it was great fun to compose for an action scene like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 188 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: But, as mentioned in one of the YT comments, those Mario effects and theme are way OTT. Maybe they're trying to show what's going on inside Aaron Paul's head, but it feels wrong for the scene. This might be comparison bias with the episode as aired, but I thought the concept stated at its beginning - that the drug would totally flash the user - was played much too subtle, so this was actually much more in keeping with the supposed premise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, ChrisAfonso said: This might be comparison bias with the episode as aired, but I thought the concept stated at its beginning - that the drug would totally flash the user - was played much too subtle, so this was actually much more in keeping with the supposed premise. Totally agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 What do you think, in a competition like this, is it important to knew the context of an isolated scene? Or does one have to work with what is on screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Clearly they didn't watch every video unfortunately... if the video is 4:05, multiply that by 11,000, that's about 44,917 minutes (748 hours, or 31 entire days without sleep). Plus many people (particularly those outside of the US) have said that the analytics of their videos showed that no one from outside of their home country saw their videos. On top of that, the winning composer actually broke the rules and altered the actual audio of the scene itself, which was said to be an automatic disqualification. Case and point: the whole thing was a sham. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,410 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 47 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: On top of that, the winning composer actually broke the rules and altered the actual audio of the scene itself, which was said to be an automatic disqualification. What did he do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 Maybe it was the intention to send the message to nowadays composers, that it is important to break rules to succeed. It's a tough business and just following the rules doesn't help. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Nemesis said: Maybe it was the intention to send the message to nowadays composers, that it is important to break rules to succeed. It's a tough business and just following the rules doesn't help. Like Herrmann and Torn Curtain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Nemesis said: Maybe it was the intention to send the message to nowadays composers, that it is important to break rules to succeed. It's a tough business and just following the rules doesn't help. I see your point, but it doesn't really apply in this case. A composer in a professional situation would not be able to alter the sound effects and dialogue. Not only would they not even have access to that audio, but if for some reason if they did and altered it, that's a guaranteed firing. 3 hours ago, The River (Fal) said: What did he do? He altered the sound effects, which were against the rules of the competition. In a less competitive setting that wouldn't have been much of an issue (like if he were competing in the scoring competitions we used to have here on JWFan), but because this was a more professional competition where the winning prize was over $20k worth of products... Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Did he really alter them, or just add in his own? For what it’s worth I didn’t mind the winning entry. It made that terrible scene so much more enjoyable. oh my lord, those YouTube comments are hilarious. so many cranky people. I never entered, I knew as soon as it reached 1000 entries that anything I did would be unlikely to win, it didn’t seem worth my time. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 250 Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 Interesteing video from Spitfire co-runner Christian Henson: I think there are some interesting comments too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,410 Posted June 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2020 This situation is getting parodies now: Montre, Fabulin, toothless and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montre 79 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 6 hours ago, Nemesis said: Interesteing video from Spitfire co-runner Christian Henson: I think there are some interesting comments too. Sorry but I cringed the whole way through that response video. There are plenty of valid and respectful criticisms in the comments. I’ve been reading through the winners announcement thread on vi-control and boy Christian and Paul Thomson, the other founder of spitfire, are responding with such petulance, and with ad hominem attacks at new members who dare voice an opinion. Also, Hans Zimmer popped in to say that anybody who was not happy with the results will never make it in the industry so that was fun. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 With both Ramin Djwa-something and now Hans Zimmer being involved, it's almost as if this was secretly an RCP competition... that explains a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted June 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 29, 2020 This has also been consuming my entire feed lately. And the whole entitled fanboy response to the results has been laughable. These competitions are never ideal. When you're dealing with as many entries as you are here, production quality or "what works best" is no longer good enough to make the cutoff. People want to see ideas. And the winning composer clearly knew how to make the best of a compromised situation. Makes sense to me. Not Mr. Big, Docteur Qui and Muad'Dib 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 The most puzzling comment I keep seeing is some kind of variation of this: “It’s all well and good that they chose something that went outside of the box. But I just wish they’d told us we could do that in the competition rules” Fundamentally explains the problem in my opinion. These people don’t know what “outside of the box” means. Reminds me of people who complain about filmmakers subverting expectations, and then point to Marvel films as “subverting done right”. If Marvel did it, it wasn’t subversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montre 79 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I’m seeing very little “entitled fanboy” response (fanboy of what, exactly?), and a good representation of the real criticism from contestants and non-contestants alike can be found in the comments of Christian’s video response. I think the idea of something out of the box is great. In fact, I saw several out of the box entries that were awesome and actually scored the scene instead of steamrolling it so jarringly. Also, attacking the winner is just plain terrible. He did what he did and did it well. Clearly most people just generally don’t feel that it should have won, according to the rules set by the judges themselves. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Montre said: Also, Hans Zimmer popped in to say that anybody who was not happy with the results will never make it in the industry so that was fun. Haha that's great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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