Holko 9,529 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I'll print this one: It's a set with 1 and 3, already printed 1's one and have 3 ready: Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Demos were way more interesting in the years before orchestral samples got so sophisticated. Like hearing Elfman's demos for the 80s/90s scores in the Burton box was fascinating. Nowadays they just sound like the final cue but kinda crappy. OTOH, Demos are where alot of the early alternates happen nowadays though. For example the original opening of HTTYD1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Just now, Power Windows said: Demos are where all the alternates happen nowadays though. True. And then there's Zimmer's sketchbook albums which are all sampled I assume (I've never actually listened to one of those albums lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Demos were way more interesting in the years before orchestral samples got so sophisticated. Like hearing Elfman's demos for the 80s/90s scores in the Burton box was fascinating. Nowadays they just sound like the final cue but kinda crappy. I agree with Disco Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Alex North's piano and percussion demo cues from Spartacus were fascinating. They sound almost like a chamber concert pieces. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 I loved the tape of Elmer Bernstein's piano demos for all the themes of The Ten Commandments that was in the Intrada release. crocodile, Faleel and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony 572 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 While I appreciate demos being included, I tend to listen to them once and that's it. scallenger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I don't really care about them at all for newer scores. I find more value in alternative mixes, i.e. instrumentals or choir-free versions of tracks. A few of the demos from Wyatt Earp were a passing interest as synth demos back then were really basic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I loved the HYTTD demos, they revealed loads of rapid violin material. The worse the samples, the less interested I usually am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,394 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 https://www.varesesarabande.com/collections/cd/products/how-to-train-your-dragon-2-the-deluxe-edition-cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 How To Train Your Dragon 2: The Deluxe Edition (2-CD) John Powell UPC: 888072425378 Release Date: 3/11/2022 Regular price: $24.98 On the heels of Varèse Sarabande’s Deluxe Edition of How to Train Your Dragon (2010) comes this 2CD set of John Powell’s magnificent symphonic score to the 2014 sequel, How to Train Your Dragon 2. Beloved by critics and audiences alike, the How to Train Your Dragon trilogy was produced by DreamWorks Animation, based on a book by Cressida Cowell. Written and directed by Dean DeBlois, the second film continues the story of a young dragon hunter, Hiccup, who befriends rather than kills a dragon, Toothless, by introducing Hiccup’s mother (voiced by Cate Blanchett) and a formidable villain, Drago (Djimon Hounsou). John Powell created a glorious, Academy Award-nominated score for the first Dragon film, and continued his style for the sequel: gloriously symphonic, enhanced with Irish instrumentation, it is deep and rich in the classical tradition while conveying emotion and nuance for modern audiences, particularly around the joy of flight. As with the first film, Icelandic singer Jónsi collaborated with Powell and contributed vocals to selected tracks. New to the second film are performances by the Scottish bagpipe group, Red Hot Chili Pipers. How to Train Your Dragon 2 was released as a single CD at the time of the film. Varèse Sarabande’s Deluxe Edition expands the program to two discs, including several demo tracks, with new liner notes by Tim Greiving interviewing the director and composer. Limited to 2,000 copies Tracklist Disc 1: 1. Dragon Racing (1m1-INS) (Alternate Film Version) 1:04 2. Dragon Racing (1m1) (Original Opening Version) (4:40) 3. Where No One Goes (1m2s) (2:29) † 4. Together, We Map the World (1m3-4) (2:22) 5. Hiccup’s Gonna Be Chief (1m5) (3:20) 6. Eret Educates Hiccup (1m6) (1:45) 7. Drago’s Coming (2m7) (1:54) 8. Eret Has Visitors (2m8) (1:03) 9. Me Likey (2m9) (1:03 10. War is What He Wants (2m10) (1:53) 11. Hiccup and Toothless Attached (2m11) (2:34) 12. Dragon’s Lair (2m12) (1:34) 13. Should I Know You? (2m13) (1:57) 14. Valka’s Dragon Sanctuary (2m14) (0:55) 15. Hiccup & Valka Bond (2m15-16) (2:31) 16. Valka’s Flash - Good Alpha (3m17-18) (3:25) 17. I Grew Facial Hair For You (3m19) (1:20) 18. Flying With Mother (3m20) (2:50) 19. Can We Start Over? (3m21) (1:56) 20. Meet Drago (3m22) (4:28) 21. Stoick Finds Beauty (3m25-26) (2:43) 22. Get’ Em You Son of Eret (3m27) (1:43) 23. Courting Song (3m28s) (2:33) †† 24. Courting Song Instrumental (4m29) (0:54) 25. Battle of the Bewilderbeast (4m30) (6:29) Disc Two: 1. Hiccup Confronts Drago (4m31) (4:09) 2. Stoick Saves Hiccup (4m32) (2:23) 3. Off to Valhalla (4m33) (3:47) 4. Riding to Drago’s (4m35) (1:02) 5. Alpha Comes to Berk (4m36-37) (2:22) 6. Toothless Comes Back (5m38) (3:50) 7. Challenging the Alpha (5m39a) (3:00) 8. The Chief Has Come Home (5m39b) (3:26) 9. Where No One Goes Reprise (5m40) (3:52) † Bonus Tracks: 10. Dragon Racing (1m1) [DEMO] 4:36 11. Together, We Map the World (1m3-4) [DEMO] (2:37) 12. Valka’s Flash - Good Alpha (3m17-18) [DEMO] (3:26) 13. Flying with Mother (3m20) [DEMO] (2:50) 14. Off to Valhalla (4m33) [DEMO] (3:51) 15. Toothless Comes Back (5m38) [DEMO] (3:55) Music Composed and Produced by John Powell † John Powell & Jònsi †† Gerard Butler, Mary Jane Wells & Craig Ferguson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,529 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 Very glad the Where No One Goeses are here. Very not glad they're pulling the stupid double opening again. Tallguy, bollemanneke and Taikomochi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 I like the $25 price! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Ordered! And my single frustration with the Int'l store: they don't offer first class postage, so I won't receive this until Weds because the UK shuts up shop now. I really wish Varese would move their releases to Thursday. That's why the lack of a concurrent digital release is annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 Someone in this thread was hoping for an instrumental version of Courting - and it's here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 That was me, but no, it's the same as on the FYC - it's only the first bit, sadly. The rest of the cue where it speeds up is still buried under Craig Ferguson's vocals. That was the bit I was hoping would be available clean. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Fuck it, ordered direct from Varese International. Don't really have anything to pair it with anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Ordered immediately. Didn't even need to look at the track list. Interesting that he again starts off the program with the alternate film version intro and then the original one haha. That is my ONLY critique of the original set, here again. But oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Just now, Richard Penna said: That was me, but no, it's the same as on the FYC - it's only the first bit, sadly. Is the track before the full OST track? Because the opening of the OST track comes after the song in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 I guess I need to finally see this film now scallenger, Yavar Moradi and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Just now, Jay said: I guess I need to finally see this film now Not as great as the first but fun enough with well done emotional beats, a lot better than the third. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scallenger 483 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 The entire How To Train Your Dragon film trilogy is honestly one of the best trilogies in a long time. The third film is, imo, the only weak one, but it still has a satisfying conclusion. Edmilson, Taikomochi, TSMefford and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Ordered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 516 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Ordered! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 5 minutes ago, Holko said: Is the track before the full OST track? Because the opening of the OST track comes after the song in the movie. Ah, I've realised now, Courting Song (Instrumental) is just the first minute of the OST, so we've had it from the start anyway. It's the instrumental bits from 1:30 in For The Dancing and The Dreaming that I was hoping would be here. I'm really surprised that no one producing this thought we'd like to hear it on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,529 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 Damn the samples are really hyping me up. Haven't listened to a note of it since HTTYD1 DE was announced! That satisfying Alpha in Bewilderbeast, the Flying ostinato in Toothless Comes Back, Valka's Sanctuary, Flying With Mother... Can't wait to do another thematic breakdown following up the one I did for the first! Jay, crumbs and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I should point out that I'm otherwise delighted to finally get rid of the FYC and have the entire thing properly mastered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share Posted March 11, 2022 Cate Blanchet is in this movie?! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Don't recall hearing that choir so prominently in Bewilderbeast for the Flying bit when the family swoops in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scallenger 483 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 I am stoked that, as he promised, this release does include both film versions of "Where No One Goes", and as a result, as I expected, does NOT include the album edit. Which I am 100% fine with. But I guess for anyone who wants that track you'll want to hold onto the OST for it, or a download. 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Cate Blanchet is in this movie?! Yep! And the third one (briefly). Sidenote: second film may actually be my favorite of the series. It is definitely the "Empire Strikes Back" of it in terms of emotional stakes and darkness. Holko, Edmilson and Yavar Moradi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 They're also doing a discounted bundle (£12 off in UK) for anyone who never picked up the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Huh! Really surprised it is honestly still in print at 3,000 units. Maybe that is why they are doing the bundle. And maybe that is also why this release is only 2,000 units. I think maybe the first one still hasn't sold out because, if I recall, the FYC has everything on it (and lossless copies came up). For this film the FYC was only ever in MP3 and lacked the film versions of "Where No One Goes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Whew, found the link that worked. While I think I agree with Holko that the third may be the weakest overall score, it's certainly not a steep dropoff by any stretch and it also happens to contain my favorite theme of the entire trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Fingers crossed we get to put the third one on our shelves very soon! 🤞 Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: While I think I agree with Holko that the third may be the weakest overall score, it's certainly not a steep dropoff by any stretch and it also happens to contain my favorite theme of the entire trilogy. Well I was answering Jay and meant movie but I do happen to also find the third score the weakest, the only to have parts I never managed to connect with. Though maybe you were just remembering it from past conversations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Ordered from MB, €45 but what the hell. I find the movies okay, this score in particular is a masterpiece. scallenger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 The third score has REALLY grown on me since it came out (the film... not so much haha, but I still like it). I definitely welcome any expanded release of it, and that is partly why I am happy to buy this one to help prompt it. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I'm least desiring an expansion of the third as the album plays really well, but there's no way I'm going to turn down a hat trick of HTTYD complete scores. Plus two of the extra tracks on the FYC are really nice, and as mentioned, there's some action cue missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I love the third score. It's on par with the first two. The film is definitely weaker though. Karol MaxTheHouseelf and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 The Furies in Love theme is a goddamn masterpiece and it's used so brilliantly in that score. blondheim, Yavar Moradi, scallenger and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Haven't seen the film, don't really care about it. The score is just so mature for an animated film, and I love his new themes - it's probably my favourite of the three. I remember being absolutely bowled over when the suite came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I still read that track name us "Furries". 3 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: I'm least desiring an expansion of the third as the album plays really well, but there's no way I'm going to turn down a hat trick of HTTYD complete scores. Plus two of the extra tracks on the FYC are really nice, and as mentioned, there's some action cue missing. YES! That missing action cue before the big battle is honestly a highlight for me, so having that on CD officially alone would make that worth it. I am sure there must be interesting demos, maybe even actual alternates too that we may not know about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,694 Posted March 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 11, 2022 If this theme doesn't evoke 'Legend', I don't know what does. This thing is as well crafted and evocative as any JW theme, any day. crumbs, MaxTheHouseelf and Evanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: If this theme doesn't evoke 'Legend', I don't know what does. This thing is as well crafted and evocative as any JW theme, any day. I also love the third one, it has fantastic themes. Looking forward to the deluxe edition for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Yeah, the third score has such wonderful themes and they're excellently used during the whole score. OTOH, I think Armada Battle is pretty good but not as great as Battle of the Bewilderbeast, which may be Powell's greatest action cue ever. scallenger and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Back on the second score... it will be so crazy to finally hear the opening instrumental of the "Where No One Goes Reprise" without the sfx sounds over it... it will likely be one of those things to get used to like when I first heard the "T-Rex Jeep Chase" music from Jurassic Park without sound effects over it LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, scallenger said: Huh! Really surprised it is honestly still in print at 3,000 units. Maybe that is why they are doing the bundle. And maybe that is also why this release is only 2,000 units. I think maybe the first one still hasn't sold out because, if I recall, the FYC has everything on it (and lossless copies came up). For this film the FYC was only ever in MP3 and lacked the film versions of "Where No One Goes". I imagine the surprise digital release of the first DE threw away whatever sales potential it had (especially if (allegedly) there were some bitter buyers of the CD disliking the YT streaming copy of the album). With this, I guess VS and BL decided to be more strategic about it in advertising ahead of time so that people are to be better informed about what they can buy (as well as figuring where the real market is). We did get a proper lossless rip of the FYC eventually, but it is also missing 2m12 in addition to the Where No One Goes tracks, so even further reason for the official release to entice fans. scallenger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Huh! I never knew about the lossless rip of this film's FYC, but of course that's irrelevant now. Even if I had known it's still worth getting this, even just to support Powell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 I guess it depends on what edits were done to the cues for the film mix (ie, what would be on the FYC) and if you're fanatical enough to want those too alongside the complete score as originally recorded. scallenger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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