Jay 37,456 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Jimmy Kimmel Returns as Host for the 95th Oscars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Can ratings be negative? TolkienSS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 453 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 This may be the year blockbuster films get nominated. I think Top Gun will get a nomination. Maybe Wakanda and Avatar if those turned out to be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I wouldn't be surprised if Top Gun gets a nomination, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. I don't consider it a shoo-in by any means. It's one thing when Academy voters can view a big blockbuster as having some vague sense of "social importance," but for Top Gun the only social importance it had was that it kept movie theaters from closing in 2022! That might be enough, considering the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,359 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Doesn't matter who the host is, not watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 453 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I wouldn't be surprised if Top Gun gets a nomination, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. I don't consider it a shoo-in by any means. It's one thing when Academy voters can view a big blockbuster as having some vague sense of "social importance," but for Top Gun the only social importance it had was that it kept movie theaters from closing in 2022! That might be enough, considering the industry. I don't even think that is the issue. I genuinely blame the studios a lot more. Very few studios put their money in blockbusters like T2, Titanic, LOTR anymore. Everyone is doing cape films over and over again. And all those films stuck to a formula. Dune got nominated but films like that are few and far between. Top Gun: Maverick is genuinely a great blockbuster with a human heart and no capes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,526 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 We all know Hildur, R&R or any other indie composer will win the Oscar for Best Score anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,364 Posted November 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2022 This controversy was forgotten amongst the Will Smith slap but the Academy has backtracked on last year's decision not to televise all awards live. Quote All twenty-three categories of the Academy Awards will be telecast live as part of the Oscars broadcast in early 2023. This will avoid the controversy that plagued last year’s Oscars when eight categories – original score, makeup and hairstyling, documentary short, film editing, production design, animated short, live action short and sound – were cut from the main telecast. The shift not only led to outrage across the film industry, it had little impact on the show’s runtime or ratings. So now we can all enjoy JW's disappointment live, when he loses for the 48th time. Edmilson, Naïve Old Fart, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,636 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 07/11/2022 at 4:28 PM, Disco Stu said: I wouldn't be surprised if Top Gun gets a nomination, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it didn't. I don't consider it a shoo-in by any means. It's one thing when Academy voters can view a big blockbuster as having some vague sense of "social importance," but for Top Gun the only social importance it had was that it kept movie theaters from closing in 2022! That might be enough, considering the industry. TOP GUN MAVERICK will, probably, be nominated for a clutch of technical awards (sound; sound FX editing; editing; cinematography), but not for the big ones. Having said that, who would have thought that, in 2004, a fantasy film (!) would win Best Picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 409 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 I have several questions about that... Number one, who decided (if at all) that a movie needs "social importance", whatever THAT means (assuming it doesn't mean what it apparently means), to get a nomination? And secondly, a movie being such an attraction that it literally keeps theatres from closing seems like "social importance" to me. Unless social importance means importance in the Twitter universe, and not the real world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,636 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 The Library Of Congress has its own criteria for admitting a film into its collection. I'm sure that TOP GUN MAVERICK has its own "social importance" among the twitterati, but, in all reality, that means bog all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Why do people always talk like there's some conspiracy afoot? Individual people, including you reading this, have always liked stories that make them feel like they are good people. The Academy is made up of thousands of individual people making their own choices and naturally movies that make them feel like good people tend to do well. The group dynamics are interesting. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,636 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 There are many public award shows where the public gets to vote for a particular film, TV or show. Meaning no disrespect, Stu, but when it comes to AMPASS, I would expect a little more objectivity in the voting system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Objectivity is a myth! Movies are a myth! None of this is real! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,636 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,526 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Jon Burligame's look at the over 20 scores considered to be in the race for the shortlist for this year's Oscars: https://variety.com/2022/artisans/news/oscar-score-nominations-music-race-composers-1235449463/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,975 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Oscars Shortlist for Original Score All Quiet on the Western Front - Volker Bertelmann Avatar: The Way of Water - Simon Franglen Babylon - Justin Hurwitz The Banshees of Inisherin - Carter Burwell Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - Ludwig Göransson Devotion - Chanda Dancy Don’t Worry Darling - John Powell Everything Everywhere All at Once - Son Lux The Fabelmans - John Williams Glass Onion: A Knives Out Mystery - Nathan Johnson Guillermo del Toro’s Pinocchio - Alexandre Desplat Nope - Michael Abels She Said - Nicholas Britell The Woman King - Terence Blanchard Women Talking - Hildur Guðnadóttir Out of these, personally I would pick: Black Panther, Fabelmans, Glass Onion, Pinocchio & Woman King. And wonderful to see Powell & Abels in this list. What I think the Academy will pick: Avatar, Babylon, Banshees, Fabelmans & Pinocchio (or one of these for Women talking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 I've only listened to 2 of the scores on this list. I've only seen 1 of the movies on this list. Here's the rest of the shortlists announced today: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/oscars-shortlists-95th-academy-awards-unveiled-1235285262/ https://deadline.com/2022/12/oscar-shortlists-2023-categories-international-documentary-shorts-1235204412/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,975 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Why isn't The Batman on here. That's ridiculous 2 minutes ago, Jay said: I've only listened to 2 of the scores on this list. Which ones did you hear? enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 924 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I'm definitively rooting for Way of Water but Fabelmans or Pinocchio would be great as well. Not Mr. Big and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: Why isn't The Batman on here. That's ridiculous The Academy Awards are all political. It hasn't actually been about the best compositions for years now 10 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: Which ones did you hear? I've listened to the original score albums for The Fabelmans and Don't Worry Darling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Surprised not to see Tár included Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: The Academy Awards are all political. It hasn't actually been about the best compositions for years now What's political about not nominating The Batman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 it means the other nominees had more political reasons to be nominated, nothing specific to do with The Batman at all enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 924 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Just now, Michael Grigorowitsch said: What's political about not nominating The Batman? I don't know if not nominating the batman is political but the oscars for music is mostly about the film and not the music. A movie that it a hit with critics will usually get nominated for music. Great scores for movies that don't align with the interests of the Oscar voters don't get nominated (usually) regardless of wether the music is great or not. Black Panther was an exception because the movie had a lot of buzz but otherwise superhero scores are not nominated. enderdrag64 and JNHFan2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 924 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 These days it's mostly about scoring the right kinds of movies that decides if a score gets nominated or not. (I was going to automatically add this to my last post lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperivm 148 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: A movie that it a hit with critics will usually get nominated for music. Maybe not anymore since they updated the rules, aren't only professionals from the film music industry to select and vote for Best Scores nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 Just now, Imperivm said: aren't only professionals from the film music industry to select and vote for Best Scores nowadays? "Fifteen scores will advance in the Original Score category for the 95th Academy Awards. One hundred forty-seven scores were eligible in the category. Members of the Music Branch vote to determine the shortlist and the nominees." https://deadline.com/2022/12/oscar-shortlists-2023-categories-international-documentary-shorts-1235204412/ The music branch selected these 15 from 147 eligible scores; Then they will also select the final 5 from this list of 15 Then, any academy member can vote on the winner, including random actors and costume people who don't have a clue what the actual best score of the year was - this is why it's all political and also why its considered more prestigious to get nominated than it is to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,975 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 52 minutes ago, Romão said: Surprised not to see Tár included Ineligible. Same goes for Top Gun. Romão 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 The news broke that Tar was ineligible last week https://variety.com/2022/artisans/news/tar-score-elvis-song-ineligible-for-oscar-1235458112/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jay said: The news broke that Tar was ineligible last week https://variety.com/2022/artisans/news/tar-score-elvis-song-ineligible-for-oscar-1235458112/ I see. I haven't seen the movie yet, so I have no idea how much original music is in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 From what I have read, it is like only 5-10 minutes worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 28 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: These days it's mostly about scoring the right kinds of movies that decides if a score gets nominated or not. (I was going to automatically add this to my last post lol) It has always been a bit like that. Even classic scores like Elfman's Batman were not nominated (although the competition was far stronger back then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Tar not being eligible certainly increases Williams’ chances a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 How do you figure that? Women Talking is still eligible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 924 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Romão said: It has always been a bit like that. Even classic scores like Elfman's Batman were not nominated (although the competition was far stronger back then) But it feels like there has to be some kind of narrative today. People like Rezner and Ross often get nominated for some reason. I really like their Gone Girl score so I have nothing against them but they seem to get nominated most times when they score a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,526 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I haven't seen Don't Worry Darling, but it'd be great if Powell received another Oscar nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 924 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Banshees is a score which I think is perfectly nice but doesn't really warrant a best of the score nomination. There's plenty of more interesting scores to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Edmilson said: I haven't seen Don't Worry Darling, but it'd be great if Powell received another Oscar nomination. It's a kooky movie, it's on HBO Max if you have that There's 0% chance the score will be one of the final 5 nominees though 1 minute ago, Mr. Who said: Banshees is a score which I think is perfectly nice but doesn't really warrant a best of the score nomination. There's plenty of more interesting scores to choose from. Burwell's own "Catherine Called Birdy" score from this year is better than what I've heard of Banshees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperivm 148 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 29 minutes ago, Jay said: The music branch selected these 15 from 147 eligible scores; Then they will also select the final 5 from this list of 15 Then, any academy member can vote on the winner, including random actors and costume people who don't have a clue what the actual best score of the year was - this is why it's all political and also why its considered more prestigious to get nominated than it is to win I had missed the final detail, I misremembered that they would be the only ones voting as well. It's quite terrible honestly, to only do them this favour half of the way and not make it until the end. Thanks for clearing it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 Well, that's how it's always worked in the past - if they changed that final step for this year, I missed that news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: I know what you mean, that's why I thought Tár was an absolute shoe in for a nomination, it had all the ingredients for an award narrative, regardless of the quality of the music itself. But alas, it there wasn't enough of it to be eligible 12 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: But it feels like there has to be some kind of narrative today. People like Rezner and Ross often get nominated for some reason. I really like their Gone Girl score so I have nothing against them but they seem to get nominated most times when they score a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 38 minutes ago, Jay said: From what I have read, it is like only 5-10 minutes worth She wrote a bunch of music for Tár that's on the DG concept album for the film, but none of it really made it into the film. In the movie itself (which is quite good), during the driving scenes, there is one drone-y track that is mixed so low in the sub that it's essentially inaudible. It definitely doesn't make sense nominating it, given the film is essentially driven by the Elgar and Mahler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 1 minute ago, KK said: She wrote a bunch of music for Tár that's on the DG concept album for the film, but none of it really made it into the film. I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 I compiled a YouTube playlist with one cue from each of the scores in the shortlits, in case anyone wants to hear how each of them sound I'm not familiar with some of them, so I just put the track that seems to be the main theme, or that better represents the score, but if there's other more fitting track feel free to share! Personally, my favorites of the list are Avatar, Black Panther, Don't Worry Darling, The Fabelmans and The Woman King, but I also liked parts of Burwell's Inisherin and Abels' Nope. The final list will probably have Desplat and Burwell, and perhaps Hildur Guðnadóttir. The only score I think should be on the shortlist is The Batman, as I think it was such a great score, and I was hoping that perhaps The Northamn would manage to get at least shortlisted, but it didn't happen... Muad'Dib and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trados 11 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 WDG01 and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted December 21, 2022 Author Share Posted December 21, 2022 You two work fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,526 Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 My bets: The Fabelmans Babylon Pinnocchio She Said Women Talking And I do think Desplat has a big chance to win his third Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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