crocodile 8,012 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Tintin's theme is actually pretty bad by Williams standards. It's a very "slippery" theme, which I find quite interesting as well.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Alright, I'll try listening to Tintin again, but it usually doesn't end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Don't bother. You still won't like it by the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I like moments, such as the harpsichord in the Main Title and parts of Pursuit of the Falcon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 4, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted November 4, 2015 Muad'Dib, Not Mr. Big, Jilal and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You said John Williams hasn't written a long-lined theme since 2005; I said he did for War Horse and Lincoln. This isn't a matter of opinion, its a fact!Kinda difficult to discuss these things when none of us have the musical terminology needed. I'm talking about the kind of thematic writing that was last heard in 2005. Call it memorable, hummable, well-defined, whatever you will -- I've not been able to hear that in INDY 4, TINTIN, WAR HORSE, LINCOLN orTHE BOOK THIEF. All of them had themes (duh!), but they were either a proximation of what he used to sound like (INDY 4) or not really the main focus of the compositions.Ultimately, this is all subjective, and certainly NOT a matter of fact. You can clearly hear themes in these scores that are as well-defined and memorable as "Raiders March" or "Jurassic Park theme" or "The Force Theme" or whatever. I cannot. Hence subjective. What I DO hear a lot of is Williams moving orchestral colours around (sometimes rather whimsically), lots of clusters rather than long lines, occasionally bordering on minimalism, exploring chord progressions etc. I agree with Karol in that something special happened when he did A.I. It's the seeds of that sound that we're hearing more consistently today -- although everything is still perfectly recognizable as Williams (the jazz in TINTIN, the Americana in LINCOLN, the pastoral writing in WAR HORSE etc).In short, the only thing we can establish factually is the existence of themes. HOW we interpret/hear/get those themes is entirely subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 The Reunion Theme from War Horse is one of the best themes of his entire career! Track 14: 3:05-end Track 15: 2:08-3:45 Track 16: 6:17-7:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You don't have to convince me of the brilliance of WAR HORSE. It's the best score he did in the the last 10 years! I love that, though not so much for the themes, but for the Vaughan Williams-type "sweep" that he knows so well. Just listen to the almost religious-sounding string chord progressions of the opening "Dartmoor" track. Almost takes me straight back to JANE EYRE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 War Horse is actually a very interesting hybrid of Williams' love of everything British and his more American contemplative war sound.Karol Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Good god, 5 pages of discussion on a revelation that a JW score has a character theme?We need some samples and fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 That Finn guy actually called Williams John William on Twitter. Twice. He doesn't deserve a fucking theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 That Finn guy actually called Williams John William on Twitter. Twice. He doesn't deserve a fucking theme.Most of us lifelong fans would deserve more than him to both attend a session and get a personal theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Didn't he compose a theme for his Japanese fan club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 It is neo-JWFan doctrine that any who hold opinions at odds with those of the regime must be corrected.Interest raises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Only wrong opinions must be corrected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 That Finn guy actually called Williams John William on Twitter. Twice. He doesn't deserve a fucking theme.I'm sure it was just an auto-correct mistake or something of that nature, he immediately corrected it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Evidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 That Finn guy actually called Williams John William on Twitter. Twice. He doesn't deserve a fucking theme. Most of us lifelong fans would deserve more than him to both attend a session and get a personal theme! No you wouldn't...Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Where did the "John Williams wrote BTTF" myth begin? I remember seeing it for the first time in 2000 when files on Napster would show up saying "John Williams - Back to the Future - Theme" and I thought maybe people tagged it with Williams' name instead because they thought it would show up better in people's search as they might not necessarily know who Alan Silvestri is. You just answered your own question.No I didn't! I hate it when people say that!I was just throwing an anecdote out there. I don't know if that's the actual reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I remember that in the mid-80s non-film score fans would name Williams as the composer of BTTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The reporter should be fired for not responding: "Whistle it or it didn't happen". Ricard and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I remember that in the mid-80s non-film score fans would name Williams as the composer of BTTF.Really?Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I remember that in the mid-80s non-film score fans would name Williams as the composer of BTTF.The theme is very Williamsy. I often get it mixed up with the Amazing Stories theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Napster is my earliest memory of people making that mistake. I recall people thought Williams did Batman instead of Elfman. I remember someone on a different board insisted that he thought Williams "helped" Elfman on that score.Any other scores people have frequently mistaken for Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 It's true. All of it. Back to the Future. Batman. They're John Williams scores. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 John Williams music, its calling to you... just let it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 *John William Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The themes from Jurassic Park are the last Williams themes to become iconic.Not even Hedwigs theme made it.Hedwig's Theme definitely made it, and is the last "iconic" Williams theme. There's hardly a soul around that won't hum you that tune when asked "Wut does dat sick Harry Potter musik sound like?". Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I'm humming it right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yeah, 10 years' worth of use in trailers, sticking around in all the sequels and getting the nostalgic last word in Deathly Hallows 2, kids playing it in school bands, using it in the theme park and its advertising. I don't think it's going away, Potter is such a touchstone for Millennials. (as a side note, I also think it's kind of amusing/vindicating that when Ralph Fiennes as Voldy shows up in one of the rides at that park, it's the three note motif that plays on his arrival. )And before that, I feel like "Duel of the Fates" would also qualify after JP. People still go bonkers for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 DotF isn't quite in the league of mainstream of popularity as Hedwig's Theme and JP are though. But it did get a lot of buzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Good god, 5 pages of discussion on a revelation that a JW score has a character theme?We need some samples and fast.Hey it is more about bickering which modern JW themes count as "iconic" or "memorable".And yes we do need samples ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 JW's true iconic themes known by the wide public are:Jaws themeStar Wars main titleE.T. theme (the flying theme)Force themeRaiders marchSuperman marchJP themeHedwig's ThemeOlympic Fanfare and themeNBC news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 And the Imperial MarchNot that it matters the slightest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 It's true. All of it. Back to the Future. Batman. They're John Williams scores.so is Legend of Zelda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 And Jaws! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The themes from Jurassic Park are the last Williams themes to become iconic.Not even Hedwigs theme made it.Hedwig's Theme definitely made it, and is the last "iconic" Williams theme.Hedwig's Theme is about as famous and iconic as a modern, purely orchestral composition can get. The public awereness of this piece is undeniable and it can rightfully be regarded as one of Williams' most famous compositions. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 But what about Finn's theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 But what about Finn's theme?Only time will tell... I'm rooting more for The First Order March (Kylo Ren's Theme). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Let's face it... Williams has dominated every decade with his themes and music since the 70's. Will the themes in the TFA have the same effect? We'll see, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Let's face it... Williams has dominated every decade with his themes and music since the 70's.Not the 00's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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