Josh500 1,615 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 In my opinion, they are both among JW's top scores. You can't really say (objectively) which is better, but you can say, which you personally prefer. I prefer Tintin (slightly) more, simply because this type of score is more my cup of tea...Maybe it's just me, but WH was a bit of an anti-climax after all the excitement of Tintin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Tintin and I am tempted to say 'by far'.War Horse is the type of score that will make much more sense after we have seen the movie. Its quite good but the context is lacking right now.Though I must say Tintin was a great listen even without context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 War Horse, but what a great year for Williams. Love Tintin as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Tin tin by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I enjoy them both equally quite a bit. And both scores have the same exact problem: no stunning thematic material that anybody (but film music fans) will remember. Besides, everything is top-notch.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 both scores have the same exact problem: no stunning thematic material that anybody (but film music fans) will remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I somehow doubt kids hum Tintin's theme while going out of cinema. Do you disagree?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I agree. the thems are good, but there are no classioc themes that will be remembered. No Raiders March. Leia's Theme, Flying, The Asteroid Field or Can You Read My Mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I somehow doubt kids hum Tintin's theme while going out of cinema. Do you disagree?KarolOh, I getcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 I somehow doubt kids hum Tintin's theme while going out of cinema. Do you disagree?KarolWhich has very little to do to how great the thematic material is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 It is great. Not stunning, though. Angela's Ashes, Seven Years in Tibet, for example, had better themes. Not necessarily better scores, mind you.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 An entertaining score vs. a dramatic score. At the end of the day, I'm gonna have to pick the entertaining one because it's fun to listen to. War Horse is an excellent score, but it doesn't have the fun factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 For a long time now I've been getting much more pleasure from listening to scores that are more along the lines of War Horse, Angela's Ashes, etc, than scores like Tintin, the prequels, and the like.So War Horse, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I somehow doubt kids hum Tintin's theme while going out of cinema. Do you disagree?KarolWhich has very little to do to how great the thematic material isIndeed. Once again, this board confuses popularity with quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 War Horse, by far. This is beautiful stuff.Tintin has a track I actually skip (the opera one) and I lose a bit of interest at points in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I'm not familiar enough with WH yet to vote, but based on my first impressions I think it'll probably be WH. They're both great, though. Couldn't be happier with the quality of JW's latest scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 War Horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 They might have been equal but I have to take the God-Awful Bianca Castafiore and Milanese Nightingdale tracks for Tintin. So War Horse wins by a small margin. The integration of the themes in Tintin are pretty amazing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Not sure why the opera music is getting so much hate in Tintin. The edit is horrendous, but the rest of the track is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I somehow doubt kids hum Tintin's theme while going out of cinema. Do you disagree?KarolWhich has very little to do to how great the thematic material isIndeed. Once again, this board confuses popularity with quality.If you read my previous post you'd see popularity is not what I had in mind.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I somehow doubt kids hum Tintin's theme while going out of cinema. Do you disagree?KarolWhich has very little to do to how great the thematic material isIndeed. Once again, this board confuses popularity with quality.If you read my previous post you'd see popularity is not what I had in mind.KarolMy bad, I stand corrected. That said, hummability seems to be an equally superficial way of measuring quality, at least to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 WAR HORSE is winning 2:1! How 'bout that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 __________________I am really starting to get into this score now, and while listening to the album, I kept wondering, what makes this better than The Patriot? The Patriot has a lot of beautiful themes, as well (and a concert version of the main themes, to boot), and it has also some great battle music. And yet... I am sure WH is more highly regarded here than The Patriot. Why?And how about Far and Away? Is WH better than Far and Away? I don't think so. At the very least, they are equally good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I somehow doubt kids hum Tintin's theme while going out of cinema. Do you disagree?KarolWhich has very little to do to how great the thematic material isIndeed. Once again, this board confuses popularity with quality.If you read my previous post you'd see popularity is not what I had in mind.KarolMy bad, I stand corrected. That said, hummability seems to be an equally superficial way of measuring quality, at least to me. Yeah, it was a wrong way to put it. My mistake.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Angela's Ashes, Seven Years in TibetThose two main themes always seem like they're trying desperately too hard.The Bonding theme in War Horse sounds effortless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Not sure why the opera music is getting so much hate in Tintin. The edit is horrendous, but the rest of the track is great.it's not just the sound effect editThe album was almost excellent missing about 10 minutes of important material Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Angela's Ashes, Seven Years in TibetThose two main themes always seem like they're trying desperately too hard.What's that supposed to mean?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 War Horse, no contest. I just can't get into the bulk of Tintin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 At this point, War Horse is like a random score I could listen at any time, while I've come to strongly relate the Tintin score to Tintin and I need a Tintin mood for it. This happens to me as well with Harry Potter or Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I agree. Stylistically war Horse is not very distinctive. Also overall it may be a little too underwhelming. this is the sort of score James Horner used to do best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Tintin all the way.Maybe once I see War Horse it'll change, but I doubt it. Tintin just ticks my boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Not sure why the opera music is getting so much hate in Tintin. The edit is horrendous, but the rest of the track is great.it's not just the sound effect editThe album was almost excellent missing about 10 minutes of important materialOh yeah, I agree that it shouldn't be on the album, as it's already been released many times I'm sure. But that's not a reason to skip it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I finally went back and voted in this thread, having been listening to both albums (albeit months after most of you). War Horse got my vote without a moment's hesitation...Tintin is growing on me, but War Horse has incredible warmth, mature lightheartedness, gut-wrenching pain, bravery, redemption, humor, and more. I knew I loved the bonding theme from the first time I heard it in the trailer, and I'm happy to say that the rest of the score does not disappoint. It would have benefited from an old-fashioned concert arrangement or two, and there are some unfortunate sound quality issues in some specific passages, but Tintin shares those faults.Like I said, though, Tintin is growing on me, slowly but surely. Maybe in a few years from now I'll be able to regard them as being on the same level, albeit for very different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I miss Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Still War Horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Me too. War Horse is my favorite Williams score since Revenge of the Sith. I think it's the most fluid OST presentation of all of Williams' soundtracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Yeah, this is a VERY good OST presentation. Of course, part of that is simply because the structure of the film lends itself to a musical arc that works well on album, but the real miracle is that Williams and friends didn't screw that up for the OST! I know it's not 100% chronological, but as far as I can tell, the slight scrambling of the order genuinely does help the flow without compromising the musical storytelling. This is a really rewarding album to listen to in its entirety...I feel a little Thor-like about this one, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Yeah, this is a VERY good OST presentation. Of course, part of that is simply because the structure of the film lends itself to a musical arc that works well on album, but the real miracle is that Williams and friends didn't screw that up for the OST! I know it's not 100% chronological, but as far as I can tell, the slight scrambling of the order genuinely does help the flow without compromising the musical storytelling. This is a really rewarding album to listen to in its entirety...I feel a little Thor-like about this one, haha.Hehehe. True. It is one of the most satisfying OSTs JW has compiled in a long time.Oh and after difficult and long deliberation I choose War Horse. Just a tiny fraction more satisfying on album for me than Tintin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted January 22, 2012 Share Posted January 22, 2012 Can’t explain why, it should be Tin Tin but War Horse is pulling me back to have another listen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted January 30, 2012 Share Posted January 30, 2012 Having only just listened to these albums (I know!) I have to say I prefer Tintin by a mile. War Horse has some nice stuff, but Tintin is way ahead as an overall listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I somehow doubt kids hum Tintin's theme while going out of cinema. Do you disagree?KarolYou're right. The kids are all humming Pirates of the Caribbean, but yeah, that is totally a good criteria to base your rating off of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 Of course it's a good criterion. Just because not all memorable music fits our tastes doesn't mean that being memorable isn't a good thing. And I hate to say it, but Tintin's theme is one of the least memorable themes Williams has ever written, and it MUST be THE least memorable theme for a titular character he's ever written. It sounds like a little throwaway fanfare that was never intended to be used more than once...and not even the sort that makes you think, Oh man, if only Williams had taken that little moment and expanded it out into a full theme. I mean, I'm liking Tintin more and more each time I listen to it, but I still think Williams massively dropped the ball in the case of that theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 But there's a difference between memorability and hummability. I doubt you could hum segments of "The Chase Through Coruscant," doesn't mean it's not memorable. And there's also a difference between memorability for the masses and memorability period. How many people do you know who could remember Monica's Theme from AI (outside of this MB)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 I don't care how memorable something is for the masses. I care how memorable something is to me.As for Tintin's three motifs, I can't get them out of my head. They usually follow each other in my mind. I think the heroic motif is very strong (the way it opens it's stronger than the Raider's March (because it goes down before jumping up) but at the same time it's not meant to last more than a few seconds), and the other one is sneaky slightly jazzy enough for my tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 But there's a difference between memorability and hummability. I doubt you could hum segments of "The Chase Through Coruscant," doesn't mean it's not memorable. And there's also a difference between memorability for the masses and memorability period. How many people do you know who could remember Monica's Theme from AI (outside of this MB)?Sure, there's a difference. Case in point: Tintin's theme is extremely hummable. It's also the least memorable titular character theme Williams has ever written! Perhaps "memorable" is the wrong word to use. The aspect of the music that I'm talking about might be described as "star quality." It's extremely subjective, extremely hard to describe or quantify, and extremely important. One of many reasons why Williams has been so successful is because much of his music has this quality in spades, particularly where the actual themes and melodies are concerned. This is the quality that is so conspicuously lacking in Tintin's theme...I can remember it, and I can hum it, but I can't care about it. Williams' great classic themes are completely different...they may take a longer time to remember in their entirety, but their emotional resonance is so much more profound. War Horse (and the Unicorn theme) proves that Williams is still capable of this.EDIT: And I don't really care how much other people remember the music, either. I'm primarily concerned with my own emotional reaction to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 31, 2012 Share Posted January 31, 2012 But there's a difference between memorability and hummability. I doubt you could hum segments of "The Chase Through Coruscant," doesn't mean it's not memorable. And there's also a difference between memorability for the masses and memorability period. How many people do you know who could remember Monica's Theme from AI (outside of this MB)?Sure, there's a difference. Case in point: Tintin's theme is extremely hummable. It's also the least memorable titular character theme Williams has ever written! Perhaps "memorable" is the wrong word to use. The aspect of the music that I'm talking about might be described as "star quality." It's extremely subjective, extremely hard to describe or quantify, and extremely important. One of many reasons why Williams has been so successful is because much of his music has this quality in spades, particularly where the actual themes and melodies are concerned. This is the quality that is so conspicuously lacking in Tintin's theme...I can remember it, and I can hum it, but I can't care about it. Williams' great classic themes are completely different...they may take a longer time to remember in their entirety, but their emotional resonance is so much more profound. War Horse (and the Unicorn theme) proves that Williams is still capable of this.To each his own. In some ways I think we agree - I like Tintin, but it's far from my favorite JW theme/score. I'd even say it's Williams' least good score since Minority Report (which I also really like). I guess that's the great thing about a genius like John Williams - even his below average scores are really quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Tintin, though both are very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Share Posted February 18, 2012 So the winner here is "War Horse"? Anybody wanna change their minds? After listening to both scores for a couple of months now, I am inclined to say, in my opinion they are both equally good (albeit in markedly different ways, of course). I'd rate both scores 4,5 stars (out of 5)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 WAR HORSE by a wide, wide margin. TINTIN is rather disappointing and belongs among the middle ground JW scores for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 They're both high 5 star scores and in terms of enjoyability, I'd say they're about equal! And Thor, you're definition of JW's middle ground must be some really damn high stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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