Jay 37,364 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 There was a thread once where we were saying themes that get a concert arrangement or something like that, and I mentioned that melody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 00:20 - 00:25 of this clip (4:58 on "T-Rex Rescue and Finale"). The trumpets hold a long note while the rest of the orchestra continues the chaos around it. It's a brilliant example of how instrumentation and composition mirror the tension of the visuals perfectly. While I'm on this video, 1:36 (6:14 on the soundtrack) has potentially one of my favourite short Williams moments of all time. I can't even describe this one. It's pure genius. Watch/listen and enjoy. EDIT - I could literally pick out dozens of moments from this same sequence. Truly a powerhouse run of film and music. Jay and SingeMoisi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 On 12/31/2016 at 4:03 PM, Not Mr. Big said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFz5DMhrxTs The melody from 5:01 until 6:02 Really underrated. That's a great one! Reminds me of this awesome moment from the same score (which I heard first): DarthDementous and SingeMoisi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2017 2:15 - end Cerebral Cortex, Disco Stu, SingeMoisi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: 2:15 - end Sooooo goooooood. That repeating, rising figure where you start questioning how long he can sustain it, its emotionally draining and just incredible. Dixon Hill, DarthDementous and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 The triangle at the climax of THE MAP ROOM: DAWN. It just cuts through everything. Brilliant. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 On 1/6/2017 at 9:30 PM, Disco Stu said: Sooooo goooooood. What isn't so good is that terrible microedit! Particularly given that I was lucky enough to first hear the cue in complete form, listening to the OST version is always very jarring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 I always loved those few seconds when the orca was seen leaving the dock through the jaws window. Don't know why but as a young kid, that musical fragment really resonated with me and gave me goosebumps up until the 0:29 shanty theme. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 0:38 to 1:04 of Ride To The Nazi Hideout from Raiders of the Lost Ark. This moment isn't terribly remarkable when listened to individually: it's just a great rendition of Indy's theme. However, when you listen to that part through the lens of the entire Raiders album, you appreciate this moment immensely more. One of Williams' many great talents is his ability to not only create great and memorable themes but to also very sparingly utilize them throughout the course of a film to maximize their effectiveness within the film and their service to the film's characters and story. The score to Raiders is a perfect example of that, specifically in the usage of Indy's theme. We are first introduced to Indy's theme at the start of the film when Jones is attempting to run away from a bunch of angry natives: -------------Flight From Peru Spoiler Not signed in From 1:03 to 1:16 we get a little snippet of Indy's A-theme cut quickly off by whirling bout of strings, horns, and woodwinds before diving back into Indy's A-theme once more from 1:24 to 1:31 before devolving into another mass of clustered strings (with Indy's B-theme softly coming in on the horn at 1:40, followed by another brief spurt of Indy's A-theme at 1:56). Right from the very start, Williams is conditioning us with the expectation that throughout the film we will receive musically: A brief snippet of Indy's theme ...before transitioning into... Something else entirely ...before (possibly) transitioning into... Another brief snippet of Indy's theme Bottom Line: If we hear Indy's theme, it's only going to be for an instance before moving on to something else. This is the formula. Such restraint with such an incredible is I think quite admirable. And, for most of the score, Williams stays true to that idea. As the film progresses, we only really hear Indy's theme in short bursts. -------------Washington Men / Indy's Home Spoiler Not signed in Quiet and subdued rendition of Indy's A-theme starting at 0:38. ------------- A Thought For Marion / To Nepal Spoiler Not signed in Brief and frantic snipped of Indy's A-theme from 0:53 to 0:58. -------------The Fist Fight / The Flying Wing Spoiler Snippet of Indy's theme at 4:03 which stalls out at 4:12 before picking up again from 4:16 to 4:21. ------------- The Desert Chase Spoiler Not signed in Not signed in Not signed in Not signed in Not signed in Not signed in Not signed in Played during the scene where Indy goes after the Nazis who are now in possession of the ark, Williams skillfully balances the score between tense action Nazi music and Indy's theme. Again, the point being that we still only really get to hear Indy's theme in these very segmented brief intervals. Even though this is the most we've gotten of Indy's theme thus far, it still hasn't been a continuous playing of the theme, but rather the theme is broken up into little pieces. You get the idea. 0:00 - 0:30 Action music0:31 - 0:45 Short fragmented rendition of Indy's A-Theme 0:46 - 0:54 Action music0:55 - 1:04 Indy's A-Theme1:05 - 1:17 Action music 1:18 - 1:26 Indy's A-Theme1:27 - 1:29 Brief musical tangent1:30 - 1:35 Indy's A-Theme -------------Ride To The Nazi Hideout Spoiler Not signed in So when we finally get to the moment I started this post with, we have been conditioned throughout the entire score thus far to expect only a small playing of Indy's theme. Within the context of the film, we're at the film's ultimate low point. The Nazis have just taken the ark off of the ship Marion and Indy were sailing on, in addition to also taking Marion as well. Indy's location is unknown. So when we the viewer are shown that Indy, at this point the only thing lying between the Nazis and them using the ark for destruction, is in fact on the German sub in pursuit, we naturally get a playing of Indy's theme. It starts out at 0:42 with the most blaring and triumphant rendition we have heard thus far, and the expectation is securely in place almost subconsciously that the theme will fade out or transition into something else around 0:56 just as has been done throughout the entire picture. Instead, the theme's playing intensifies and instead continues to a triumphant conclusion. The result is, for me, one of the great mergings of picture to sound. Just as the sailors on board the ship are cheering for Indy to succeed, we too are rooting for the hero as well. Williams has waited out almost the entire film for a moment deserving of such a rousing rendition of the theme, and it's because he waited until this moment to fully unleash the theme that the scene plays as effectively as it does. It's one of those moments where Williams makes you want to just get up out of your chair and cheer for the good guys. And that's why it's one my favorite short Williams moments. Hopefully that made sense. Sorry for spewing. Will and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Great post @Cerebral Cortex! Some of the embeds don't seem to be working, however, just so you know. That is indeed a wonderful cue/scene. At the LTP concert I went to last summer it was a major chills-and-thrills moment. My favorite part might be the build up to the theme statement, actually. I love how the sailors are just looking over the water, and we hear the soft but driving optimistic force of the B theme, and then finally my very favorite bit of the cue -- the expectant bit of pure joy that we hear as the sailor points and says "There!" and we see Indy climbing on. It has such a wonderful seafaring, joyful sense to it, reminiscent of Jaws. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 9 minutes ago, Will said: Great post @Cerebral Cortex! Some of the embeds don't seem to be working, however, just so you know. Thanks for letting me know! Fixed. 9 minutes ago, Will said: That is indeed a wonderful cue/scene. At the LTP concert I went to last summer it was a major chills-and-thrills moment. 1 OOOooooooh, mama! I can't imagine experiencing that at a LTP concert! That must have been fantastic. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumulonimbus 22 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 5:18 - 5:40 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 13 hours ago, karelm said: I always loved those few seconds when the orca was seen leaving the dock through the jaws window. Don't know why but as a young kid, that musical fragment really resonated with me and gave me goosebumps up until the 0:29 shanty theme. It really is a perfect score. Maybe I'm just being grumpy but it sometimes seems the young up-and-coming Williams fans don't give it the respect and adulation it deserves. Sure, Harry Potter and Jurassic Park are amazing, but this is where it all started! Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Sir Hilary Bray 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Both film and score are utter classics in every way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 Fighting the Destroyer Droids. Amazing cue. SingeMoisi and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 4:45 - 5:15 One of those moments where Williams goes ABSOLUTELY BAT**** INSANE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,511 Posted January 17, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2017 4:59 - 5:18 One of those moments which make you feel warm and fuzzy inside. Jay, Cerebral Cortex and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Will 2,215 Posted January 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2017 On 1/10/2017 at 8:01 AM, Disco Stu said: It really is a perfect score. Maybe I'm just being grumpy but it sometimes seems the young up-and-coming Williams fans don't give it the respect and adulation it deserves. Sure, Harry Potter and Jurassic Park are amazing, but this is where it all started! Hey! I love Jaws! On 1/10/2017 at 9:24 AM, Josh500 said: Fighting the Destroyer Droids. Amazing cue. Have you heard it in its non-microedited form? Yes, it's terrific!! On 1/10/2017 at 9:30 AM, LampPost said: 4:45 - 5:15 One of those moments where Williams goes ABSOLUTELY BAT**** INSANE! Holy crap - what kind of drugs was he on when he wrote that?! Might be the most terrifying music I've ever heard! (Are we sure Williams wrote that and it's not taken from the stage musical?) 7 hours ago, LampPost said: 4:59 - 5:18 One of those moments which make you feel warm and fuzzy inside. That moment's great. The moment from the end of that score that I remember being absolutely entranced by at one point is this: Utter perfection. Possibly the most longing I've ever heard conveyed in a few seconds of music. Josh500, Loert and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 15 hours ago, Will said: Holy crap - what kind of drugs was he on when he wrote that?! Might be the most terrifying music I've ever heard! (Are we sure Williams wrote that and it's not taken from the stage musical?) It's actually quite funny when taken in context within the whole musical. But yeah, that long screaming bit does not appear in the stage musical (there's only a few bars of drums + clarinet before Tzeitel sings "Here's my wedding present..."). (listen from 4:42) Williams really did a terrific job in transforming the original Broadway arrangements and orchestrations into a score fit for a motion picture, not to mention his excellent solo violin piece/cadenza which plays during the opening credits. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 18, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 18, 2017 Apologies to non-American members, I'm using "provided to Youtube" embeds that probably won't work for you :/ Recent discussion of it got me listening to "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra" (both the OST and S/W Collaboration versions). My favorite thing about the concert version (beyond the quickened pace) is the subtle orchestral colors he adds to the original arrangement. I love the piano he adds underneath the flute flourish at 1:47/1:48 below (video starts at 1:44): Compare to the comparable section on the OST version, lacking piano at 2:50: I don't know why, but that single second of piano is making me very happy right now And for reference here's the exact few seconds of the movie where that part occurs! SingeMoisi, Will and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 The American Journey suite is just so absolutely awesome all the way through. Basically everything I love about JW is there. Here are some particularly great moments from the first movement: So much "inevitability" in that brass melody. I remember the first time I heard this recently, I was already completely hooked after that segment! Some absolutely kick-ass action-y writing here. All the brass counterpoint is amazing. And that xylophone! Sublime, and again, and, most of all, the ending of the trumpet bit is totally "inevitable" -- that's the best way I can put it. Since (yes, BloodBoal) I'd heard the last movement before listening to the rest, it was extremely emotional when the melody, one of Williams' most gorgeous, I think entered ... and then when the "epic" four-note theme entered with that awesome brass counterpoint. And then that counterpoint melody gets a glorious moment to shine: Cerebral Cortex and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 1, 2017 Immigration Ban and Building The Wall is a great track! Loert, Cerebral Cortex and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 When nobody's looking I like to dance to "Popular Entertainment"... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 5, 2017 Share Posted February 5, 2017 I'm sure it's been mentioned before in this thread (at least, I would hope so), but the part where Indy swings across the chasm in "In the Idol's Temple" is a top short musical moment for sure. It was expanded and also awesome in "Indy Rides the Statue", but the experience of it was somewhat different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3:54 to 3:56 of Follow Me and The Falcon A.K.A. the moment where Williams gets nostalgic for 2 whole seconds. The Illustrious Jerry and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 This theme is so awesome. I was humming it on and off for hours this afternoon (I was actually listening to a different recording - on Spotify): So uplifting! And it's a totally "hell yeah!" moment when you consider that the opening of the concerto is a little meandering - you're hoping for something clear and satisfying, and boy do you get it. When I heard the rest of the first movement (I did listen to the rest as well) for the second time ever (having not liked it on the first listen a while back) I really loved it. It was like an energizer drink (or it may have just felt that way because I had just eaten quite a few chocolate chips right before and was on a sugar high LOL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 That sinister brass fanfare...and the unsteady cadence at 4:40-ish There are so many delicious moments littered all over this score! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 3 hours ago, KK said: There are so many delicious moments littered all over this score! It's a highly underrated and underappreciated score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted February 15, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2017 For me it's a few seconds in Clash of Lightsabers that ever since I first heard it clicks in the mind. Don't know what or why but: 2.36 to about 2.44 not long before the love theme. (Accompanies Artoo saving the day: "Wonderful! I never doubted it for a second!") but as I say on some level it's always done something for us, then again the whole track does. From just after the duel, with our heroes fleeing knowing Han's lost (or possibly), stormtroopers chasing, the Yoda theme and finally getting off Cloud City by the skin of the proverbials. Will, DarthDementous and SingeMoisi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 That bit seems to be inspired by Bartok's "Concerto for Orchestra": Though as usual Williams makes everything more "in your face"... My favourite bit from that track is the transition from Vader's theme to the window crash at 1:10. The music throws you into chaos, essentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 In Williams concertos and similar works, based on my somewhat limited experience with them, moments of harmonic delight are often much shorter and harder to find than in his film scores. As such, this one only lasts about two seconds, but it's still lovely. I've had it running through my head all afternoon. I imagine the previous 30 seconds of music underscoring a birds' soaring flight (particularly 11:53 and what follows), and this moment being when it gracefully touches back down in the forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 15 minutes ago, Will said: In Williams concertos and similar works, based on my somewhat limited experience with them, moments of harmonic delight are often much shorter and harder to find than in his film scores. Keep listening, sharpen your ear, and this will change. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 18, 2017 Share Posted February 18, 2017 It must just be a very different "language" that you have to get used to. It's similar to the reason why classical harmonies don't often click with me (at least on first listen). In Williams concertos, the music always feels to me like it's reaching for something, but never getting there, leading to an unsatisfying experience. There's not the same easy-to-love "resonance" (it's hard to describe). It often feels like it's kind of "too high-pitched" (again, hard to describe!) and twisting and turning away from where I want it to go. I assume as you say it's something you can get used to, and at some point you won't find those harmonies lacking. In fact, even just a few more listens to some of these recently have made me appreciate them more. artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 A Moody Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Was listening to ET again the other day so its fresh in my mind... this is probably my all time favorite short musical moment in any score, Williams or otherwise: 4:28-5:06 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 1:51 - 2:07 Muad'Dib and Docteur Qui 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 1:40 - 1:53 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 3:24 - 3:29 One of my two favorite moments in the piece, the other being: 1:41 - 1:58 (it actually sounded better on the OST) Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 The final soft horn-hit, as the Falcon's lights turn on, at the and of THE ASTEROID FIELD. The glockenspiel (or is it triangle?) hit, as Mr. Olivander raises his eyes, and says "I wonder...". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KK 3,307 Posted March 7, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2017 One of the best moments of Williams' career? Yes, I think so. Naïve Old Fart, artguy360, Dixon Hill and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Agreed. At the very least, it's the single best cue he's composed, in nearly sixteen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 One of my absolute favorite film score cues of all time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 https://youtu.be/kPKszGsICI0?t=336 5:36 - end Epic! More moments like this in the upcoming Star Wars please! Jilal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 On 3/7/2017 at 3:25 PM, Richard said: Agreed. At the very least, it's the single best cue he's composed, in nearly sixteen years. Yes. It's a top ten, maybe even top five track for me. I also love "Journey to Rouge City", which has a similar feel. Naïve Old Fart and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Journey to Austria SingeMoisi and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,533 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 The rising motif, as Agent Hanratty realises that he's looking at Frank Abignale, in the High School year book. His final look at the camera is funny as. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Porkins 53 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 From 5:52-6:07. Probably my favorite 15 seconds JW ever wrote. SingeMoisi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I love love love that syncopated (at least I think that's syncopation) "di-duh" figure at 8:58 (I was listening to Escapades recently on the new CD on Spotify). It's a classic Williams-ism and one of my very favorites, often appearing in his terrific action writing (at least I think it's a version of the same figure - I'm no musical expert). Example of an absolutely kickass use in an action cue: Jilal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 The Strings rising at 0:30 - 0:36 is to die for. Will and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Fun Fact: You could have posted literally anything from War Horse and I still would have liked the post. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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