Raiders of the Lost Ark VS Temple of Doom VS Last Crusade

[Josh500 1,615]

Which score or movie is your personal favourite? 

 

And why?

[Smaug The Iron 515]

Score: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

movie: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

[Nick1Ø66 4,714]

Crusade/Raiders

[Josh500 1,615]

Score: Last Crusade

Movie: Raiders of the Lost Ark 

[MrScratch 294]

Movie: Raiders

Score: Temple of Doom

[Matt S. 493]

Last Crusade for both. 

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

Movie: Crusade

Score: Crusade

 

With Crusade Spielberg brought a maturity and worldliness to his Lucas's vision. No longer just a post-modern spin on 30s serials, at its heart, the film is a father-son character piece. The filmmaking is as technically assured as its predecessors, if only more understated. 

 

For the score, I'll just post this.

 

 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

They're alright.

[Josh500 1,615]

I'm probably in the minority, but I happen to think that "The Jungle Chase" from KOTCS (the complete version) is as good as the action setpieces from the original trilogy: Desert Chase, The Mine Cart Chase, and Belly of the Steel Beast. 

 

But the rest of the KOTCS score, unfortunately, falls way too short.

[John 2,032]

Raiders for both.

[Holko 9,526]

Crucify me, but I've always found Raiders a bit dull, both the movie and the score. I mainly consider it my own fault, I probably watched it way too late (I was 14 or 15 when I saw the entire movie for the first time), I already saw a ton of its copies and movies generally influenced by it, and none of its setpieces were new. Temple I consider a highly entertaining movie with a very different score, which I find myself listening to all the time. Crusade in my opinion is the best movie of the bunch, taking the Raiders formula and spicing it up with the father-son dynamic and the ultimate prize, the Holy Grail, and after finding it, dr. Jones has ended his career on a perfect high note, having no fourth adventure at all.

[Loert 2,511]

Temple of Doom is the only film score I know where I feel that every bar of music has something worthwhile about it, i.e. there's no "filler" material. I could listen to the C&C score all the way through and never get bored (and I have done so many times...). I think a part of the reason for this is the simple yet effective story structure, in addition to Williams' composing chops.

 

I like the film itself the most too. It's not that I hold anything against the others in the initial trilogy, I just really love the exotic setting. I won't jump on the "FOURTH?!?! WHAT FOURTH?!?!?!" bandwagon but I think few will disagree that it's the weakest, even though personally I love the score and think it's one of JW's best 21st century efforts.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

Film: Raiders

Score: Temple

 

If I tried to rate them objectively I would say that the first and the third film are the better ones whereas the score of the second film is slightly more creative and powerful.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

The best scene in Raiders (and the only one I remember besides the face melting stuff) is when

Spoiler

the monkey dies.

 

Score-wise, I play Temple of Doom the most often. 

[Display Name 60]

Temple of Doom is a Top 5 Williams score! Since the plot of the film is very (maybe too) linear, it is not as good as Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Last Crusade, but it's incredibly entertaining and technically perfect!

[Naïve Old Fart 9,528]

RAIDERS/RAIDERS.

As good as it is, everything else is just diminishing returns.

 

2 hours ago, Holko said:

Crucify me, but I've always found Raiders a bit dull, both the movie and the score. 

 

Hold your arms out, and I'll get some nails 

[Josh500 1,615]

Temple of Doom the score is breathtakingly good and entertaining, not to mention technically perfect.

 

Unfortunately, the movie ToD is arguably the weakest among the original trilogy. 

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Temple Of Doom, for score.

The Last Crusade, for film. 

[Richard Penna 3,689]

Last Crusade for both.

[nightscape94 965]

Raiders for both, although TOD is a fantastic equally impressive score which I could have easily have voted for.

[Indianagirl 298]

My favorite score is Raiders.

 

My favorite film constantly changes between the original three. As of right now I suppose I will say Raiders of the Lost Ark but ask me tomorrow and it could easily be either Temple of Doom or Last Crusade. 

 

 

 

The reason I chose Raiders for the score is the actual theme of the Ark of the Covenant. I absolutely adore it. It's rich and powerful and it gives me chills every time I hear it. 

 

[Datameister 2,043]

Raiders for both, though Temple of Doom gives it a run for its money in the score department.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

Short Round's theme is adorable. Practically the ideal sidekick theme. 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

On 5/23/2017 at 5:54 AM, Godzilla said:

They're alright.

 

Not as good as the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles.

[Fancyarcher 350]

Score: Last Crusade (best themes & it's the one I listen to the most).

 

Film: Raiders (still no doubt the best, although Crusade does come close).

[Jay 37,364]

I truly consider all 3 films 5star films, and all three scores 5star scores, so picking a favorite is not saying anything remotely bad about the others.

 

My favorite of the scores is Temple of Doom, its just so much fun from start to finish, I love its energy, its mood, and its themes.  The best relentless action extravaganza score.

 

My favorite of the films is Temple of Doom or Last Crusade.  I love Harrison's performance in TOD, I love Short Round, I love all the set pieces, its all so fun, and I love how they didn't come close to doing a Raiders clone, its a very different film.  But Last Crusade has the brilliant Ford/Connery interplay, and a kind of more interesting version of the beats of the Raiders storyline.  The only unfortunate thing about the film is the surprisingly sub-par special effects and blue screen work, I wish something could be done about that.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

But the first film has the best Indy-Girl!

[Jay 37,364]

I like all three quite a bit!

[nightscape94 965]

 

3 minutes ago, Brundlefly said:

But the first film has the best Indy-Girl!

 

That's not even debatable.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Ehhhh, it might be a cliche like pointing out that Jar Jar kinda sucked but.... Willie kinda sucked.

[nightscape94 965]

In Crusade, I like that they played around with love interest being a double crossing baddy who was cool as ice, but ultimately Elsa didn't do anything for me as a character.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I agree.  Marion > Elsa > Willie

 

Elsa could've been much cooler, but they just kinda forgot about her.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

36 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I agree.  Marion > Elsa > Willie

 

 

Raiders Marion or KOCS Marion?

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Raiders, obviously.  KOTCS made her so boring.

[Brundlefly 2,385]

5 hours ago, Stefancos said:

 

 

Raiders Marion or KOCS Marion?

KOCS Marion is excluded like KOCS in general.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

But...but the warehouse scene is good! 

[Wojo 2,453]

You mean the scene where nonmetallic gunpowder flies through the air because it's magically attracted to an alien artifact, while the iron in their hemoglobin remains intact? 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Awesome!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

All of my issues with KOTCS are based in story, character, and visual effectiveness.  Fact checking Indiana Jones science is silly.

[Wojo 2,453]

I don't care if the headpiece to the Staff of Ra works on any given day of the year, instead of one or two specific times. 

 

I don't care if if you cannot rip some ones heart from through their ribcage with incantation. 

 

But there is no iron in sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate. That's just stupid. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I'm certainly not in the Crystal Skull defending business, that just doesn't bother me in the least.  I can tolerate a lot of scientific stupidity in movies, though.

[John 2,032]

I suppose it would make sense that aliens would exist in the Indiana Jones universe, as it takes place in the same dimension as Star Wars and E.T.

[Loert 2,511]

46 minutes ago, I Need About Tree Fiddy said:

You mean the scene where nonmetallic gunpowder flies through the air because it's magically attracted to an alien artifact, while the iron in their hemoglobin remains intact? 

 

If this were a problem then MRI scanners wouldn't exist. 

 

The music which plays during that scene is gorgeous, though. Highly atmospheric and other-wordly. And it sounds like a load of instruments just playing random notes but Williams' sketch for that cue is one of his most detailed sketches I've seen, with 16 staves and each instrument meticulously phrased and "explained". Shame that it didn't make it to the album.

[Quintus 5,399]

On 2017-5-23 at 4:50 PM, JohnSolo said:

Raiders for both.

 

This guy knows.