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Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2018 When i Googled coprophilia i got a picture of the Pope! Holko, Naïve Old Fart, Jediwashington and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 "Me, too"?! "Hashtag"?! Are you on the right pills? Maybe you should execute your trainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 "Chlorphilia"? You're into poisonous gasses, as well?! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Well, its pretty stinky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Why would a bunch of aspiring dermatologists be interested in film scores anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Aren't we all!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 42 minutes ago, Jerry said: I'm an aspiring roentgenologist. Nice. Do you glow in the dark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 He's got a bright future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fililando 19 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Corellian2019 said: It would be nice if it was digitized that way. For now, any item in that library is available to students, and outsiders by appointment only That's a pity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 Just make an appointment then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fililando 19 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Just make an appointment then. Are you replying to me? If so, it's not everyday that you fly around the globe money.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 I was just thinking that in these modern days making an appointment doesn't necessarily mean to show up in person. It could be a telephone talk or mail exchange where you tell what you're after, and then the library can make the necessary copies for you for a given fee. And it might be easier if you make contact through another library where you're already a user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fililando 19 Posted March 7, 2018 Share Posted March 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I was just thinking that in these modern days making an appointment doesn't necessarily mean to show up in person. It could be a telephone talk or mail exchange where you tell what you're after, and then the library can make the necessary copies for you for a given fee. And it might be easier if you make contact through another library where you're already a user. oh alright. That sounds good, I thought you have to show in person! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter.anschutz 43 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 On 3/7/2018 at 5:53 PM, Jurassic Shark said: I was just thinking that in these modern days making an appointment doesn't necessarily mean to show up in person. It could be a telephone talk or mail exchange where you tell what you're after, and then the library can make the necessary copies for you for a given fee. And it might be easier if you make contact through another library where you're already a user. This is how a lot of research is done in the university archives I work for. A patron will submit a request through email or phone, we pull the material and scan it if it's not done already, then send it to the patron electronically. The problem with Williams's collection is the vast amount of material that will be included. It'll take time (years?) to process, arrange, and catalog before patrons can gain access. Ditization will likely be even further down the road as it's not a high priority for many archives since it can be quite costly. Regarding copyright, we had a patron recently request a copy of a commencement video produced by the university in 1992. The university still holds the copyright, so we could only give them a copy with the agreement that they would only use it for private, not commercial, use. I'm guessing any copyright claims on Williams's scores might be handled in a similar way by Julliard until the copyright lapses. But then agian film studios might also exercise much tighter control over access to their copyrighted property than my university. fililando and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,913 Posted March 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2018 Wow! That is a real gift to all his fans. Though I wish it was bequested to LA, I am still thrilled with this very generous gift to posterity. Generally these things aren't just for students but they are a special collection so limited access. James Newton Howard bequested his collection to USC and you could see all his original works (to date), but could not photocopy it, could not check it out, and were supervised by a librarian who you would have to make a request of the material of but a scholar researching it could spend as much time as they liked making notes and examining the material. So I assume it would be something similar. I would not read in to this being a bad omen of his health at all. This is a very measured and rational decision for someone of his stature, legacy, and age. Though JW is slowing down, he still intends to write at least two more blockbuster scores going into 2020. He'll be 88 then. Still a young kid compared to Ennio Morricone who is 90 this year and still scoring! It is a privileged to still have these giants working. Jurassic Shark, crumbs, SteveMc and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 TWO more? Not Indy 5, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 11 hours ago, gkgyver said: TWO more? Not Indy 5, surely? Yes that's the one I am thinking of. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1462764/reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 For days, I try to think about a way to answer properly to this important news. It's sad for one part, because, we know that when an artist donate his archives like this, it means that the end of the career is near... It's a first step to a professional retirement, that's what it is. But, it's also a good news, because it means that the artist is aware of his legacy. But in overall... it's a sad news for the fans we are. In his most recent autobiography, Charles Aznavour wrote that he recently gave all his awards, golden records, etc, to friends and members of his family. ... Sorry, I don't really know how to end this post. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 By the way, I feel fairly certain that it will be a 'curated' selection, not 'all.. For example, I doubt Williams will include his piano sonata, wind quintet or symphony. I'm also not sure he'll include his earliest film compositions. And obviously no TV stuff, but that was never in the pot in the first place. Would be delighted if I was proven wrong, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 True, he might very well not include pieces he considers juvenilia, or concert works written, but never performed. Would be a pity if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,913 Posted March 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, Thor said: By the way, I feel fairly certain that it will be a 'curated' selection, not 'all.. For example, I doubt Williams will include his piano sonata, wind quintet or symphony. I'm also not sure he'll include his earliest film compositions. And obviously no TV stuff, but that was never in the pot in the first place. Would be delighted if I was proven wrong, though. Thor, it says: complete library of concert music and film music scores as well as his sketchbooks. It sounds like everything since sketchbooks sounds like ideas that might not have been fully baked. This sounds to me like how all of Shostakovich's sketches are at the Glinka State Central Museum of Musical Culture in Moscow including nonextant works that were abandoned. SteveMc, Jurassic Shark and Loert 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, karelm said: Thor, it says: complete library of concert music and film music scores as well as his sketchbooks. It sounds like everything since sketchbooks sounds like ideas that might not have been fully baked. This sounds to me like how all of Shostakovich's sketches are at the Glinka State Central Museum of Musical Culture in Moscow including nonextant works that were abandoned. sketchbooks might refer to his complete sketches of the film scores and not actual sketchbooks full of unfinished ideas. Also it doesn't say TV scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I know what it says. I just don't believe he'll include a lot of the aforementioned items. Perhaps he isn't even able to find them in his own library? But time will show. I hope -- once it gets there -- someone will make a complete list of the items available. They will have no meaning to me, as I can't read music, but I'm hoping others that do will post some thoughts about what the unreleased items are, exactly. I remember a few years ago, I read a comment from someone who had acquired the score sheets for his symphony and said it had a jazzy quality -- like most of his other concert works at the time. Stuff like that is truly valuable. And -- in an ideal fantasy world -- someone would use them for recordings. SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Thor said: I read a comment from someone who had acquired the score sheets for his symphony Name, address and email please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Name, address and email please? Ha, ha....I can't even remember anymore. Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 If it was meant as criticism, it was probably Herrmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I can promise you, it was not a post-humous internet response from Bernard Herrmann. It might be Jeff Bond, actually, and it might be a thread on FSM. I'll investigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 If it wasn't for Herrmann's comments on the symphony it's quite possible JW wouldn't have retracted it. Damn you, Herrmann! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: If it wasn't for Herrmann's comments on the symphony it's quite possible JW wouldn't have retracted it. Damn you, Herrmann! And yet he tried to persuade RVW not to cut the London Symphony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 It had too many notes. 3 hours ago, Thor said: They will have no meaning to me, as I can't read music, but I'm hoping others that do will post some thoughts about what the unreleased items are, exactly. Seriously, you should learn how to read music - it's never too late - and you could combine it with learning to play the piano. Just think how great it would be to play The Spark yourself! It would also strengthen your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Bespin said: It's sad for one part, because, we know that when an artist donate his archives like this, it means that the end of the career is near... John said he won't retire as long as he can still write stuff, so I believe him. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 5 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: It would also strengthen your fingers. He'll need that for when he gets a girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 From what I've been told the Symphony score is kind of floating around. I've read of at least two people who were able to get copies of it. So I would find it quite likely that it would be on the stuff being handled to Juilliard. Furthermore, that one was performed both in the US and UK, before Williams removed it for revision. It's not like a thing he wrote on his teens that he don't even recall about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 20 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: It had too many notes. Seriously, you should learn how to read music - it's never too late - and you could combine it with learning to play the piano. Just think how great it would be to play The Spark yourself! It would also strengthen your fingers. Ha! I actually played piano intuitively as a kid. Quite decently too, and just from sitting down and experimenting. One of my biggest regrets is not nurturting that further (or -- to be more precise -- regret that my parents didn't give me piano lessons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 "I hereby leave my entire music library to Droopy. However, in the event of Droopy's death, all of the scores shall revert to Spike". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Thor said: Ha! I actually played piano intuitively as a kid. Quite decently too, and just from sitting down and experimenting. Great, then you already have a foundation if you want to start playing again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 9:54 PM, The Illustrious Jerry said: Wow. I can just picture him walking in and dumping a huge pile on a desk. WUMP!!!! I can't remember who the composer was, but I read an article about a composer giving all of his scores to a library, and they had all the piles of music sitting in front of him on the table as they made the announcement. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitth'raw'nuorodo 43 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 As a music composition student NOT at Julliard, I'm so jealous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 1:54 PM, TGP said: They certainly won't now own what is technically the property of many different film studios, no. The studios only own the intellectual property-- the music itself. Williams owns the physical pieces of paper, so if he donates them to Julliard, then yes, Julliard will own those paper sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 That's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 3/7/2018 at 3:12 AM, TownerFan said: It's a great gift, especially for future music students and scholars. In recent years, JAKMS had many of his scores and sketches digitized for archival purposes, but it's great to know all of his manuscripts and sketchbooks will be archived (and I hope also catalogued) in one same place. I'm sure all the material will be eventually digitized too for a more convenient perusal. I think that's because that was all the material that was available to donate. Keep in mind that most film composers (especially in the early days) saw their work as pure gebrauschmusik, so it's likely JW and Goldsmith didn't think it was necessary or convenient to save all their sketches for archival purposes. Lots of their early material is likely to be lost. Williams once said in an interview that his own attic where he stores material is "a huge clutter" (I'm sure he has people who help him archiving stuff, btw). Also, there's the problem of copyrights and property, as music written for any film is property of the studio or company that owns the film's rights. The music belongs to the studio, yes. But absent a contractual requirement that the composer turn over all notes, sketches, and scores at the end of the project, the physical pieces of paper that the composer writes it all out on belong to the composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 A composer donating sheet music to a library changes nothing about how the specialty labels still need to license the recorded music from the film studios to release a new album of it. Likewise, it doesn't change the process that someone would go through to commission and release a new re-recording of an old score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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