Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted July 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2018 The advantage is to legally own them and support the labels that make these releases happen, over pirating the material illegally rpvee, mstrox, Ollie and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Also alternates and liner notes. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 8 hours ago, rpvee said: (It's also interesting the page for The Mummy notes remastering, but I don't see any mention of it on Returns'.) The liner notes state that Douglas Fake edited and mastered this new set with DDP mastering by Joe Tarantino (what ever that is). rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 39 minutes ago, Incanus said: Joe Tarantino (what ever that is). Seems a little harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Obviously someone who likes his music loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay said: The advantage is to legally own them and support the labels that make these releases happen, over pirating the material illegally Well, of course. I meant more as in “what are the big differences between the versions”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 18 minutes ago, mstrox said: Seems a little harsh. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, rpvee said: Well, of course. I meant more as in “what are the big differences between the versions”? The Mummy features a new sound mix showcasing more instrument detail than you can hear on the Decca OST, or on the DVD iso score track. Mummy Returns doesn't seem to sound terribly different from the session leaks from what I've read rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, crocodile said: Is that Joe in the background? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.11534/.f Intrada have updated the album page with LA session dates and a list of musicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 A bit confused with the response to the sound quality with this and Goldsmith's. NOW THERE'S INSTRUMENTAL DETAIL I COULDN'T MAKE OUT ON THE ORIGINAL ALBUM MIX YAY ARGH THEY BRICKWALLED IT THE FIENDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 15 hours ago, Jim Ware said: http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.11534/.f Intrada have updated the album page with LA session dates and a list of musicians. But now that page seems to imply that the whole score was recorded in California by the US orchestra.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 These people can't get anything right. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 8:35 PM, kaseykockroach said: A bit confused with the response to the sound quality with this and Goldsmith's. NOW THERE'S INSTRUMENTAL DETAIL I COULDN'T MAKE OUT ON THE ORIGINAL ALBUM MIX YAY ARGH THEY BRICKWALLED IT THE FIENDS The Goldsmith score presentation is mostly great but a couple of the film cues seem to have been miked too hot so there is some static present in the right channel in the sessions but those cues can swapped with the OST equivalents without too much hassle which don't have the same issue. And there are a couple of tracked pieces but that is not a big gripe as you can also take the Sand Volcano from the OST presentation for Goldsmith's intended end credits. Silvestri's score is unfortunately brickwalled and the unreleased tracks' quality varies. E.g. Rick Battles Imhotep sounds like it was recorded in the next room from the orchestra and choir with odd muffled quality to it that is clearly noticeable compared to the surrounding cues. Almost like no one remixed the score when putting this release together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,012 Posted August 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2018 The sound on the second one is bit unfortunate in places. But I'm still very happy to have those, warts and all. Now looking back on it, it was quite a magical era in the Hollywood film score world. Those two, The Lord of the Rings, Shyamalan/JNH golden age, Snow Falling on Cedars, The Matrix trilogy, Williams with A.I., Potter and the prequels... Some pretty good stuff came out in those years. The last time when big Hollywood franchises sounded like something. Karol crumbs, rpvee and Marian Schedenig 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Incanus said: Silvestri's score is unfortunately brickwalled and the unreleased tracks' quality varies. E.g. Rick Battles Imhotep sounds like it was recorded in the next room from the orchestra and choir with odd muffled quality to it that is clearly noticeable compared to the surrounding cues. Almost like no one remixed the whole score when putting this release together. I thought Intrada was opposed to brickwalling. Roger had some major (valid) issues with Erick Labson's horribly brickwalled remaster of Peggy Sue Got Married. Strange that they've seemingly done the same with TMR. Pity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 I don't think Matessino worked on The Mummy Returns. He wouldn't brickwall anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Ah, well. I'll keep that in mind in regards to the first one. I like the Goldsmith album as is, but I'm open to trying out the whole score and seeing if there's any juicy stuff contained within. I think the only reason The Mummy Returns' treatment doesn't bother me is that I had a lot of bootlegs of unreleased scores in my younger music-lovin' years (grandpa collected a lot of them, even for scores he didn't like just because the opportunity was there), so my ears grew accustomed to crappy muffled quality. Anything that doesn't sound like a dry Giacchino recording is passable in my book! I know it's different here since this is an official release and not a bootleg so we should expect better, but as someone who practically subconsciously expects crappy quality from years of listening to, say, the complete score to Deep Blue Sea, I listen to this and think "Hey, I can actually hear the music! Cool beans!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 I would have loved this over two months ago, but music makes my tinnitus louder, so I doubt I'll be buying it now anyway. ☹ Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Anyone else never listened to that stupid song in the end credits? I just turn off the movie as soon as it begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 That song isn't stupid! YOU'RE stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 It's so bad, even I don't like it. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Forever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,689 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 That song has no reason to be there. (album or film) Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 I don't need a reason to have fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 That song may not be long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I’ve heard worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Yeah, me too. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Probably should have used Istanbul (Not Constantinople) though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I like that the notes are mostly about the music, including Silvestri and Sommers quotes. But it's weird how they keep mentioning the "London sessions", then never bringing up the LA sessions - why specify London then? And Mr. Fake nicely avoids the now controversial mix unlike for The Mummy, and Techincal Talk is almost exclusively reserved for explaining the alternates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I am not outraged but the release sure is disappointing, soundwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 While the booklet has Silvestri saying "it's still one of my favourite recordings of a score I've done." So far, I'm not hearing any particular problems with either Mummy, though that may change when I listen to them on good headphones instead of OK laptop speakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 It's very obvious once you listen to the stereo spread under headphones. The string group, i. e. in 'Scorpion Shoes', seem to wander into mono territory on occasion, 'Canyon Deluge' also has similar problems. Once you spotted them it can't be unheard. Once you checked with the Decca, you decide you stick with that in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Given my new tinnitus condition, I'll probably never be able to use headphones again. I envy all of you who can still listen to and enjoy film scores. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Just wait until you can get bionic ears with electronic nerve replacements! Good God that song is horrendous. It's so early 2000s it physically hurts. That's the emo phase in the western mainstream culture's life it tries to forget - too bad the counterreaction spawned the bland, forgettable and completely exchangeable personalitylessness of the 2010s. The score in all is prety good. Has some downtimes and repetition, but also major highlights. Prefer the first one in its cohesive fun adventure-ness. And even in some of its highlights - My First Bus Ride is great and gets my head banging, but when the swirling motif reenters at 2:30 of Night Boarders completely over the top, I just can't help grinning ftom ear to ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 1:26 PM, Jim Ware said: http://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.11534/.f Intrada have updated the album page with LA session dates and a list of musicians. I called it! On 8/5/2018 at 5:05 AM, Luke Skywalker said: But now that page seems to imply that the whole score was recorded in California by the US orchestra.... No it doesn't, it says: Quote The Mummy Returns Tracks 14 & 25 on CD 1, Tracks 7, 10–14 on CD 2 Recorded on April 7 & 13, 2001, at TODD AO, Hollywood, California. This soundtrack was produced in cooperation with the American Federation of Musicians of the United States and Canada. Jim Ware 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I could swear that when first posted, it didn't say which tracks were recorded in califorfia, only the session dates...maybe I read it wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Holko said: Just wait until you can get bionic ears with electronic nerve replacements! Good God that song is horrendous. It's so early 2000s it physically hurts. You're wrong. crumbs and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Live was always a crappy also-ran in 90s alt rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 The album Throwing Copper was pretty good, and they had a very small handful of good singles after that. They are from just down the road from me, and used to play locally a good bit. Man, I hated their song from this movie, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, mstrox said: The album Throwing Copper was pretty good Just not my taste. That overly self-serious, “sensitive dude” 90s altrock stuff that culminated in shit like Creed and Staind. Blech. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Luke Skywalker said: I could swear that when first posted, it didn't say which tracks were recorded in califorfia, only the session dates...maybe I read it wrong.... You are correct. The track list is a bit off - technically only the revised ending of disc 1, track 14 (Evy Kidnapped) was recorded in LA. Disc 2 tracks 9, 20 and 21 are also LA recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jim Ware said: Disc 2 tracks 9, 20 and 21 are also LA recordings. I thought so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 What about track 15, disc 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Haven't had a chance to listen to either score on proper headphones but TMR sounds great in my car, unlike TM, which sounds brickwalled to hell and back, with maddening volume changes from track to track. Not even the wide dynamic range of Alien 3 gives me this much grief on my car speakers with volume changes. Disappointing to hear that TMR is apparently even worse with the brickwalling on proper speakers. I figured the ordinary sound quality in some tracks was just my car speakers, but it seems whatever "enhancements" they made to the sessions might have reduced the sharpness of the recording. Or they just did an ordinary job remixing the multi-tracks. Will have to form my own opinion I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Just not my taste. That overly self-serious, “sensitive dude” 90s altrock stuff that culminated in shit like Creed and Staind. Blech. Agreed with the back half of that for sure. The mid-late-90s alt rock trends (well, at least the ones that weren't far worse like KoRn and Limp Bizkit) brought us to the awful Creed Staind Nickelback Evanescence early 2000s. Man, at the time I really liked Lightning Crashes, All Over You, and Lakini's Juice though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Live is nothing like those other bands and I'm not sure why Disco Stu is connecting them. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 I buy them as a tonal precursor (not vocally, but musically) - especially in their later albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 You think if you asked those bands who their influences where, they'd say Live? Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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