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On 27/05/2022 at 6:12 PM, Falstaft said:
Some more transcribing done -- now in you all convinced me is the proper compound (12/8) meter. Here's roughly the first third of the piece:
[EDIT: Fixed the first ostinato in light of @Docteur Qui and @Michael G.'s corrections.
Not catching a *direct* Battle of the Heroes reference, @karelm, but the main tune itself has more in common with that theme than I realized at first.
Measures 28 and 29 should be octave lower (along with the A at the end of 27).
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1 hour ago, superultramegaa said:
Those mockups are impressively realistic! I'm curious though, how'd you have 250 tracks on some of these? Most of the complex, realistic orchestral mockups I've seen are almost always around 50-100 tracks, sometimes less.
Typical orchestra is 80-100 individual players, separated to instrument groups that further play divisi (Flutes 1,2,3, Oboes 1,2,3, etc.), so that's 40-45 tracks of music right there. Each of them may have multiple articulations that I'm also separating to different tracks (I don't like using keyswitches), so before you know it, you'll have hundreds of them.
There are composers out there that have more than a thousand tracks in their templates, so a few hundred isn't really that much.
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ASIO interface is fast enough on a modern computer to allow real-time live playing on the keyboard (latency ~2 to 5ms).
I made a few mockups of JW's music, and the tracks are typically played in live in real time on the keyboard, one-by-one. Some faster parts might be sequenced if they're unplayable or precision is needed, but usually not.
I typically load the reference track and make a tempo map before I start recording anything, and sometimes I play an instrument against the reference track to get a correct feel and when other tracks haven't been recorded yet. Mod wheel is used for dynamics and not too much post-editing is needed. If anything needs to be changed, I usually just re-record the part until I get it right.
Due to the number of articulations and the size of the orchestra, it does take a long time to get good results. Too long for me to crank these out on a regular basis. The Speeder Chase track below uses something like 250 tracks and took weeks (not full time of course).
Enjoy!
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It was interesting to create that mockup, since I had no recorded reference material to compare it against. What you hear is just my interpretation from the sheet music alone. I had to pretend to be a conductor while making it and discover the instrument balance that would make sense as laid down the tracks. But I could be completely off in some areas, so it would be really cool to find out if they actually recorded this and be able to hear it like the composer intended.
The recording is also a bit too quiet; I might go back and remaster it with proper volume. The 1M6 Seeing A Mother... sheet would also be great to hear in a mockup if it contains the same theme!
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12 hours ago, SilverTrumpet said:
I know I'm 9 months late to all this. Where is this stuff coming from?
Yes, sheet music, but it's kind of mind blowing that this mockup gives you the only chance to actually hear it if it was never recorded.
- BrotherSound, crumbs and Will
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16 hours ago, bruce marshall said:
Isn't there some tricky thumb fingering in there?
Not really. Left hand is just arpeggios (4 notes up and 4 down). To make octave transitions properly, keep your left thumb on a white key.
The main melody is played by the pinky finger in your right hand, with the other two notes in the triplet played by the index finger (mostly) and thumb.
Coordination in the two hands is the biggest challenge as you have 16th notes in left hand and triplets in the right.
Damn, I need to get back in shape to play this...
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On 1/26/2021 at 11:46 AM, Nemesis said:
Did you transcribe "Over the Moon" or just the "End Credits"?
Just the piano section into the End Credits. I did a search on the net at the time, most sheet music I found had many wrong notes. I don't know if there is real sheet music available for this or not.
On 1/26/2021 at 1:38 PM, Datameister said:I have a lot of fun at the piano, but I'm far from virtuosic - far enough that those left hand arpeggios kill me every time! At best, I get a couple measures before I start miscalculating how far to move my arm. It's a pity, because it's a really gorgeous solo.
I learned it by just meticulous repetition, slowly, over some period of time. Eventually the fingers will remember, but you must resist the temptation of speeding up the tempo until you can play both hands without mistakes.
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Ralph Grierson, with pictures and videos:
L.A. Studio Legends: Ralph Grierson – The Legacy of John Williams
The piece isn't particularly difficult to play for an accomplished pianist. Correct fingering is incredibly important. It wouldn't surprise me if he just sight-read this, as it's mostly arpeggios on the left hand. I've seen pianists sight read much harder pieces than that.
I transcribed and learned to play this some 10+ years ago and even performed it live to an audience once or twice. But it took me months to learn, and it would take me a while to get back in shape to play it again without any fumbles.
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Just nitpicking, but you're still missing a measure at 2:15 and 3:15.
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On 11/4/2020 at 2:14 PM, JohnnyD said:I felt like sharing this for anyone interested: The Speeder Chase (Extended Version).
Enjoy!
Parts in that sound clip were taken from a full mockup I made (below). The original composition had even more measures that were edited out from the OST, but were actually present in the movie (listen to 0:10 and 0:16 mark). The mockup consists of all measures, and it's without the concert ending, which really doesn't belong there.
- The Illustrious Jerry, Holko and CGCJ
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14 minutes ago, karelm said:
Is Spitfire Symphony the same as Spitfire BBC Symphony?
No, BBCSO is their newer library but not as extensive and not sonically as good. Unlike the BBCSO, the older SSO was actually recorded at AIR Lyndhurst Hall, the same scoring hall where JW recorded Harry Potter. -
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On 3/30/2020 at 10:25 AM, Fabulin said:
I you want to hear a Star Wars opera, try the Holiday Special:
Holy crap. Wookiees wearing gowns is the funniest thing I've seen here for a while.
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2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:
The first 2/3 seems to sync up flawlessly to the film! It appears there weren't many edits to the scene itself until toward the end when the music completely desyncs. I cut that part out considering it was just a huge mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FW_DfbFcBHdy8X1LrpIW6fUKWl4IINyp/view
While it may seem to work (since there's action going on all the time), the original cue points don't really line up at all in that clip.
In this trailer clip below you can see a bit how the original music fits the cues at various scenes in the beginning (like the string staccato at "they fly now"), and it's already cut short. It's possible that JW composed this music early on for a digital storyboard/animation, and they didn't end up shooting or using some scenes so they had to cut out the music as well (but I don't know the timeline what was done when). Movie is one thing, but the OST should have used the original music; I don't understand why they had to cut that up so much.
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7 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:
The first 2/3 seems to sync up flawlessly to the film! It appears there weren't many edits to the scene itself until toward the end when the music completely desyncs. I cut that part out considering it was just a huge mess.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FW_DfbFcBHdy8X1LrpIW6fUKWl4IINyp/view
Hopefully you can include the updated audio, I fixed it earlier. Thanks
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The Speeder Chase as was originally composed before it was cut up.
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11 hours ago, Falstaft said:
This is a beautifully done mock-up, and an invaluable resource for those of us interested in what the cue in its full form would sound like. Thank you @Pando.
Quick, unbelievably minute question: are you sure the tuba/bassoon bass-note at1:49 is supposed to be a low G#, as opposed to a A#/Bb? That's what's in the piano reduction, and is, as far as I can tell, used in OST version at 1:39. Don't get me wrong, I like what it does to the chord progression, just want to make sure I'm not hallucinating chromatic basslines here!
Yup, you're correct. Trombones were wrong also. Fixed now. Thank you, and for the kind words as well
You might want to correct (or remove) the SC link in your quote as I had to re-upload it.
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On 7/1/2020 at 10:46 PM, crumbs said:There's no less than 19 edits in that OST track but, as @Holko points out, there's no way to tell whether those are performance or microedits.
I believe the original cue (as written in early 2019) was far longer though, but it's unknown whether its extended form was recorded. The cue itself must have been one of the earlier recorded cues though, because it sounds totally different to other parts of the OST (it's far drier than the rest of the soundtrack, almost as excessive as TFA).
Here's the original composition of The Speeder Chase cue before it was cut to pieces. It's over four and a half minutes long.
(Edit: corrected bass note at 1:49)
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This thread is doomed!
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On 2/9/2020 at 7:22 PM, PuhgreÞiviÞm said:
Then what the hell? Mine has four HDMI ports and none of them say "HDMI out".
Look for the HDMI port that has ARC (audio return channel). TVs usually have one of them. This is the one you connect to your receiver.
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15 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:
I think there's something more... secretive... about it. As if he was trying to send us a message........... perhaps someone should check the spectrogram.
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11 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:
I feel as though there's a secret message to be decoded.....
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G3tNWNO1IXWxPiLNGFxXZWkqNxDxDnQv/view?usp=sharing
That's JW tweaking his modular synth.
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