ChrisAfonso 186 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Well, I also think Davis has nailed it. Granted, there are some parts of the score that are somewhat mediocre, but is has a good deal of highlights that (for me) by far outweigh the flaws. Just take the excellent introductory track, track 3, "Bone man ben" etc. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Damn, i need to update my quicktime....btw did anyone notice its mentioned that the Superman March (not the fanfare) doesnt appear anywhere except the main titles? Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Davis made some good usage of John's Music like the mercenaries theme based on the arrival to the Visitor center motif, or making his action cues with the carnivore theme....btw did anyone notice its mentioned that the Superman March (not the fanfare) doesnt appear anywhere except the main titles? DamnIts not true, they also say other themes are not present, and in the clips you can hear the love theme. (and one or two statements of the superman march) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 They never said the love theme was missing in that preview. I also noticed that the march was missing in all the trailers. The ostinato and the fanfare was there, but they cut it just before it started. A bit odd, I thought, as that'd be the equivalent of a SW trailer without Luke's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Its looking good in the review however.http://www.soundtrack.net/soundtracks/data...tabase/?id=4335 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I also noticed that the march was missing in all the trailers. The ostinato and the fanfare was there, but they cut it just before it started. A bit odd, I thought, as that'd be the equivalent of a SW trailer without Luke's theme. I don't know, I think the ostinato and the fanfare are just as important as the march. I would think it'd be easier for Ottman to adapt them than the march. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMan 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 How many people think that the beginning part of the "Memories" track sounds similar to Rudy's Victory Theme?Also, any ideas on "Bank Job" time signatures? I think I counted a couple 7/8 measures. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 In one of the preview samples, Ottman used the ostinato section of the main theme and played his new Luthur theme over top of it. It was pretty clever, and sounded good.Tim, who just realized that the running time is only 55 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Oh shoot, I just realized the same thing that happened with the WotW score is happening here, I'm leaving for a sleep away camp June 22nd, so I won't be able to get the score until three weeks later! two years in a row this happens... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMan 0 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 That stinks!JMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 So, no one really answered my question: The Superman Returns score bits sound excellent, but X2 kind of fell short. Is Fantastic Four worth checking in to? Or is it more lacking in the theme department and generic background music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,984 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 How many people think that the beginning part of the "Memories" track sounds similar to Rudy's Victory Theme?It reminded me more of Ron Goodwin's 633 Squadron main theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 So, no one really answered my question: The Superman Returns score bits sound excellent, but X2 kind of fell short. Is Fantastic Four worth checking in to? Or is it more lacking in the theme department and generic background music?My knowledge of the score is limited to my one viewing of the film last summer, and though I do recall the music, I found it hard to focus on it because the film was so irritably bad. There was a main theme, if I recall, that was kind of generic hero stuff, but it was used throughout the film, and of course swells to a loud volume in the last shot before the end credits (naturally). At any rate, it wasn't terrible, but it was nothing special.Regarding X2, I loved the main and end title theme, but it's rarely used in the movie and the score as a whole was rather bland outside the title sequences. But the Superman clips sound very good, but I'm going to see the film before I consider purchasing the soundtrack.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 My knowledge of the score is limited to my one viewing of the film last summer, and though I do recall the music, I found it hard to focus on it because the film was so irritably bad. There was a main theme, if I recall, that was kind of generic hero stuff, but it was used throughout the film, and of course swells to a loud volume in the last shot before the end credits (naturally). At any rate, it wasn't terrible, but it was nothing special. I am not familiar with the score, but I like the main titles, even though they're about as generic as it comes. Concidering the film they came from, I don't mind it. I'm not expecting anything groundbreaking. But it does sound good to me. Regarding X2, I loved the main and end title theme, but it's rarely used in the movie and the score as a whole was rather bland outside the title sequences. I quite like the score, though the main theme is far too similar to Mancini's Lifeforce for my liking. IMO you can pass on Fantastic Four (though Doug Fake loves it). If it's good Ottman stuff you're looking for, I strongly recommend Incognito, which Ottman himself has stated was the first score where he really used his own voice, and not some mix of Goldsmith, Williams, and what would eventually become his own voice (like he did on The Usual Suspects). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 I'd also reccomend Apt Pupil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Your comments would normally suffice. But superman has but ONE (or maybe three, damn you Williams!) theme.That's only because no one after Williams has really tried to write an original Superman theme. There could be more than one theme for the character if composers didn't spend so much time utilizing Williams themes. Look at the Star Trek films for example. Horner didn't utilize Goldsmith's themes. Rosenman didn't quote Horner (but it might have helped). It would help if the flavor changed with the composers. That way, you could see what composers can really do with Superman.It's probably just because of the fact that these are Williams themes we're talking about. If Goldsmith had scored the film as originally intended, I doubt people would be quoting him. Not because the themes wouldn't have been good, but because he's not John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Lois & Clack had a nice Superman theme.But no match for Williams ,and a shame they didnt used it anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Look at the Star Trek films for example. Horner didn't utilize Goldsmith's themes. .He did,for Battle Beyond the Stars.k.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 3, 2006 Author Share Posted June 3, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 Look at the Star Trek films for example. Horner didn't utilize Goldsmith's themes. .He did' date='for Battle Beyond the Stars.k.M.[/quote']I'm talking about quoting his Star Trek work in Star Trek II and III.And I've heard about this a couple of times from people but not heard Battle Beyond the Stars as of yet. What exactly did Horner steal this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Have a look at the new FSM Online issue. They've got a lengthy (27 minutes) audio interview with Ottman about Superman Returns, complete with some audio clips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielle 0 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 And I've heard about this a couple of times from people but not heard Battle Beyond the Stars as of yet. What exactly did Horner steal this time?Parts of Klingon Battle, note for note. The blaster beam makes a few appearances too. The love theme also has similarities to Ilia's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Not to mention a near note for note copy from Alexander Nevsky as well as a few cribs from Star Wars although if you have the GNP release you'll hear rips from Jaws, not the shark theme, in Humanoids Of The Deep.Goldsmith's ST:TMP rips are the most blatant though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 10, 2006 Author Share Posted June 10, 2006 It is a fun score, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Yes it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBez 11 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 New set of preview clips for the OST at Rhino's official site...http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.l...so?Number=77654 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Hear the main title here.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBez 11 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Hear the main title here.NeilGuessing this the the video feature to be included with the OST. Good find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Didnt they said they hadnt used the intro part of the march used in the 1978 film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Hear the main title here.NeilI can't find it, please help!EDIT: I'm blind. I've found it D'oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Just gave it a listen at work and boy is that a lame performance with all sorts of funky edits and extensions in it and little power behind it. It might sound like Williams rehearsing with an orchestra, but that's about it. Give me the LSO, RSNO and the Boston Pops recordings any day over this. A real disappointment.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 I dont like the too soon appearance of the love theme and the short ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APBez 11 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Didnt they said they hadnt used the intro part of the march used in the 1978 film?I wondered about that or maybe that's just been cut from the OST release but does feature in the film.Just gave it a listen at work and boy is that a lame performance with all sorts of funky edits and extensions in it and little power behind it. It might sound like Williams rehearsing with an orchestra, but that's about it. Give me the LSO, RSNO and the Boston Pops recordings any day over this. A real disappointment.NeilI can accept the edits here and there but the lack of power is disappointing. Maybe this video doesn't do their performance justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 It would be rather strange for them to cut if for the OST (but sillier things have been made). Maybe they didnt used it in the movie, but i think it worls great for the background of the Warner, DC and etc logos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Soundtrack.net's article and the track length (3:49) confirm that it's cut on the album.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Just gave it a listen at work and boy is that a lame performance with all sorts of funky edits and extensions in it and little power behind it. It might sound like Williams rehearsing with an orchestra, but that's about it. Give me the LSO, RSNO and the Boston Pops recordings any day over this. A real disappointment.NeilI thought when Soundtrack.Net posted their sneak preview the performance of the main theme was sloppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 The crash of percussion after the first statement of the fanfare was just so feeble compared to the Williams version. And numerous others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Just gave it a listen at work and boy is that a lame performance with all sorts of funky edits and extensions in it and little power behind it. It might sound like Williams rehearsing with an orchestra, but that's about it. Give me the LSO, RSNO and the Boston Pops recordings any day over this. A real disappointment.NeilI thought when Soundtrack.Net posted their sneak preview the performance of the main theme was sloppy.I couldn't really judge by 30 seconds. Now that I've heard it...yeah, it's a let down.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 In this thread there's a link to a video of the recording sessions of the main title:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showth...ad.php?t=236872 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 It was mentioned here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 I for my part am just glad that the full theme found its way into the movie. God knows that's not a given with today's sequels.Have a look at Batman Begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Elfman's theme, as great as it is, would be wrong for Batman Begins, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthera 0 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 I liked the video, although, I don't have anything to compare it with. I never heard the original outside of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRuleOfThirds 0 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Anybody catch this from the score segment?Didn't realize JW was Philip Seymour Hoffman's uncle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMan 0 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Anybody catch this from the score segment?Didn't realize JW was Philip Seymour Hoffman's uncle.Fricken Hysterical!JMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 The opening trumpet statement is not muted (and has a pedal underneath)? That makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjorel 0 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I thought the performance was fine ... compared to the other performances recorded over the years. I really want to know how the new Krypton cue sounds like now that they have thrown out the prologue.MySpace Film Music Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I thought the performance was fine ... compared to the other performances recorded over the years. I really want to know how the new Krypton cue sounds like now that they have thrown out the prologue.MySpace Film Music GroupI was reading some of the posts on your linked page and it seems that quite a few people on there hold the Kong score in very high regard. Some posters chose cues from it as being in their personal top five. I'm quite suprised by this, but I certainly agree its a quality score, especially considering the circumstances in which it was written. Glad to see it getting the recognition it deserves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjorel 0 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Wow, top five of all time? I'll have to take a look. I know a few people picked it as one of the best scores of last year. In fact, I know I did. For myself, of the top 5 scores of 2005, John Williams composed four of them and the other was by James Newton Howard. This year is turning out to be quite exciting.Feel free to fill out the survey, if you like.MySpace Film Music Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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