Label Threads The Official Intrada Thread

[Luke Skywalker 1,798]

Is this the first case where one specialised label has released a score historicaly (and still in print) from another specialised label?

I mean...sometimes when people is guessing new releases they say 'it cant be' its from 'insert label name here'. Now that is possible...

[Ollie 1,059]

I don't know if anyone here caught MV Gerhart's comments in one of the LaLaLand threads over at FSM but he basically hinted that some OOP Varese CD Club titles might be seeing a release from another label.

I own Varese's Robocop OST so I guess I have to get the new expanded one eh?

If you want more music, yes.

If it is indeed Robocop then this will be my 3rd purchase of the score.

[Richard Penna 3,715]

It does 'change the rules' so to speak, but it actually makes sense. Varese focuses on regular releases, so why not allow other labels to license LEs projects that Varese will never get round to. Makes all kinds of titles possible.

Although given that the Robocop expansion is still available, it's surprising that Intrada were allowed to do this, and at 3000 copies.

[Ollie 1,059]

When Varese did the re-issue I don't know why they didn't make it complete to begin with, the score was recorded over in London.

[fommes 154]

I don't know if anyone here caught MV Gerhart's comments in one of the LaLaLand threads over at FSM but he basically hinted that some OOP Varese CD Club titles might be seeing a release from another label.

Really? Awesome. I missed out on Predator and Die Hard, for instance...

[Marian Schedenig 8,224]

Hm. It took me years to pick up this score (I have the Varese DE), and when I finally did, it didn't do all that much for me. I love Conan, Starship Troopers, Wind, Les Misérables and several others, but I'm not sure if I really want to re-buy this one.

[Ollie 1,059]

Well if someone does reissue some of the Varese Club titles I hope they fix Die Hard.

[indy4 155]

Maybe The Fury? That could be the big Williams release.

[Andy 4,159]

I started a thread at FSM asking specifically about Ghostbusters, Die Hard, the Fury, Sand Pebbles, and Predator. MV was quick to respond saying that it is very possible we may see more than one of these titles in the near future from another label other than Varese.

[Corellian2019 386]

Oh sweet Jesus, I hope not!

Pipe down, Stefan! You WILL enjoy a complete Robocop 2 if it is eventually released, and you WILL ask for a second helping!

All kidding aside, is there something in particular you don't like about that score?

[Richard Penna 3,715]

I was too late to get Varese's Home Alone 2 DE, but I'm not sure that's among their reissuing priorities.

When Varese did the re-issue I don't know why they didn't make it complete to begin with, the score was recorded over in London.

Varese's approach seems to be different to Intrada, who try to present a collection representing the composing process. Varese seems to me geared more towards the listening experience, which often doesn't seem to result in a complete score.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I want the Towering Inferno.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

They're not going to rerelease those just for the hell of it. There either needs to be room for expansion or a good improvement in sound quality. The Fury, for instance, is complete. Not much you can do in terms of a rerelease.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

They're not going to rerelease those just for the hell of it. There either needs to be room for expansion or a good improvement in sound quality. The Fury, for instance, is complete. Not much you can do in terms of a rerelease.

They could do it just to allow more people to own them. Which I would welcome.

[indy4 155]

Yeah, was there anything new on FSM's re-release of Accidental Tourist?

[Frank Vincent 236]

Yeah, was there anything new on FSM's re-release of Accidental Tourist?

No.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

It was remastered, I believe.

[DigitalfreakNYC 59]

So...uhh....when do we get the announcement? lol

[Marian Schedenig 8,224]

In about 35 hours.

[Luke Skywalker 1,798]

I rather have, ie, complete williams dracula released than all the oop willias limited editions...

There so much to be released to waste time and resources re-issuing scores. Unless great improvement is possible, like in the case of Superman.

If it is indeed Robocop then this will be my 3rd purchase of the score.

Isnt it rather clear it is robocop, since they released the cover?

if not it is a relly good mockup.

[Andy 4,159]

If they can continue to release new stuff like expanded Dracula, while re-releasing OOP stuff without hampering them, I say go for it. Good music should remain in print. If there's some score fetching $100+ in the secondary market, that indicates there's a demand, and money to be made.

[John Crichton 4]

Yes, I'd love the chance to get my hands on some goodies I missed out on before.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Agreed. While I appreciate the concept of limited editions and their necessity in having some of the music actually released, what's more important to me is allowing as many people as possible to own and experience the music without having to resort to the ridiculous prices the secondary market commands, which can also have a negative effect on their experience of the music (i.e. "I paid $200 for this?!").

[John Crichton 4]

I'd actually be OK with those kinds of releases being digital only too, to reduce costs.

[TownerFan 4,991]

Agreed. While I appreciate the concept of limited editions and their necessity in having some of the music actually released, what's more important to me is allowing as many people as possible to own and experience the music without having to resort to the ridiculous prices the secondary market commands, which can also have a negative effect on their experience of the music (i.e. "I paid $200 for this?!").

Agree too. I repost here what I just posted on the FSM Board in a discussion about a similar issue (i.e. LaLaLand's Batman re-release):

For me the first and most important thing is that (great) film music is widely available and that most of the people are able to get a copy of a great score, possibly without being forced to fork out a ridiculous amount of money. Even though I own several hundreds of CDs, I'm not a collector per se, nor I haven't ever felt like one (with all due respect for people who enjoy collecting stuff). So I'm not annoyed at all by labels getting a new shot on already released limited titles. I remember how much several people were pissed off when FSM announced their Omega Man 2.0 release, as if they were robbed to the exclusivity of owning a precious item. Personally it's a non-issue, as I'm in only and just for the music. I do not care if my Towering Inferno copy is now a $400 valuable item and maybe it will be not in the future because FSM or another label will get another crack at it.

I think we'll see more and more reissues of OOP titles in the future: we already know a new Poltergeist will be out in the next few months, while Intrada just announced a new RoboCop release (even though Varèse's Deluxe Edition is still widely available), so who knows what else is coming. Maybe we'll also get "new and improved" editions of still available titles. That being said, I do not think at all that the labels will be infected by the mere "repackaging mania" that affects a lot of the major labels. It always has been an accepted reality in the recording industry that popular stuff gets re-released every now and then, so I don't see it as an offense to collectors.

However, I also see the reality for labels to stay afloat in these troubled economic times, so re-issuing popular titles now will get them the money to work on other projects in the future. It's also a reality that many Holy Grails lists are getting more and more crossed off, so it's only a matter of time when specialty labels will have to think a new business model that will permit them to stay safe and sound in the future.

Just my two cents.

[Andy 4,159]

However, I also see the reality for labels to stay afloat in these troubled economic times, so re-issuing popular titles now will get them the money to work on other projects in the future. It's also a reality that many Holy Grails lists are getting more and more crossed off, so it's only a matter of time when specialty labels will have to think a new business model that will permit them to stay safe and sound in the future.

That is such a good point, Maurizio. I don't profess to know the ins and outs of the economic models that the labels follow, but if money can be made off of reissuing Predator that can be reinvested in the release of a 1000 edition smaller title, isn't that a good thing? Again, I'm not assuming it's cheap to re-release an OOP heavyweight like Ghostbusters, but if they can make money doing so, then why not? It's sort of like... Star Wars figures. If Hasbro wants to keep the line going, they have to re-pack and re-release key characters that will sell (Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker) to help support the line and generate revenue to release lesser niche characters (Cantina Alien #24b) that certain fans want. After awhile, all of the holy grail action figure characters have been released, what then? Well, they put 'em out again if money can be made. I think that's the same concept with some of these scores.

[Wojo 2,453]

Agreed. While I appreciate the concept of limited editions and their necessity in having some of the music actually released, what's more important to me is allowing as many people as possible to own and experience the music without having to resort to the ridiculous prices the secondary market commands, which can also have a negative effect on their experience of the music (i.e. "I paid $200 for this?!").

The secondary market only encourages unethical people to pirate the soundtrack labels' OOP titles.

[Richard Penna 3,715]

I'd actually be OK with those kinds of releases being digital only too, to reduce costs.

I've been saying this for ages. Avoid pressing CDs and you're avoiding a lot of capital outlay.

I find the whole exclusivity thing bullshit most of the time. LE's have limited pressings due to limited interest, fees, etc and that's understandable, but that taps again into something I've never understood: why not make music available digitally, and pay fees as when when 'product' is sold.

A bit like OOP OSTs that fetch stupid prices because the label can't be bothered to put them on itunes. Inflated ebay prices would happen less if markets and business models adjusted better to demand.

[Marian Schedenig 8,224]

The secondary market only encourages unethical people to pirate the soundtrack labels' OOP titles.

I don't find copying OOP titles unethical.

[Richard Penna 3,715]

Nor me. Not our problem if the label no longer wants to accept money for it and doesn't provide an up to date method of distributing it.

[Luke Skywalker 1,798]

Agreed. While I appreciate the concept of limited editions and their necessity in having some of the music actually released, what's more important to me is allowing as many people as possible to own and experience the music without having to resort to the ridiculous prices the secondary market commands, which can also have a negative effect on their experience of the music (i.e. "I paid $200 for this?!").

The secondary market only encourages unethical people to pirate the soundtrack labels' OOP titles.

Sorry, the unethical people are the ones selling the cds at 400% or higher more of its actual price.

[Ollie 1,059]

I agree with Maurizio's post. It makes sense to re-issue some of the more popular OOP titles if it can help the labels recoup some of their costs.

If it is indeed Robocop then this will be my 3rd purchase of the score.

Isnt it rather clear it is robocop, since they released the cover?

if not it is a relly good mockup.

I said that before I went over to Intrada and listened to the sound clip.

But yes it is indeed Robocop.

Another interesting comment was made by Roger in the same thread, apparently Varese owns the rights to Robocop 2 & 3, in perpetuity, and the elements exist for complete/expanded releases.

Interesting that the first one was available for Intrada to license.

http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3332&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150

[Wojo 2,453]

Looks like another expensive week for CDs. Gosh. I haven't even ripped the last dozen or so I've bought.

[Richard Penna 3,715]

Well you know the answer to that don't you...

I've bought just one LE so far this year and listened to it plenty.

[Kendal_Ozzel 36]

RoboCop & Jack the Giant Killer are up!

[Trent B 337]

I never owned the Varese Robocop, but I'll for sure be getting Intrada's. Man I wanna know what that 3,000 unit one from LLL will be.

[Richard Penna 3,715]

The feeling is mutual on both counts.

Robocop ordered.

[ManofDestiny 72]

Ordered Both.

[Trent B 337]

For some reason I always thought Robocop was synth music.

[Wojo 2,453]

Jack the Giant Killer sounds really swell, as does The Brothers Grimm album, but I've gotta stop the whim purchases of movies I've never heard of based on sound clips.

[Ollie 1,059]

I ended up grabbing both titles. Jack The Giant Killer was basically "influenced", to put it kindly, by the 7th Voyage Of Sinbad, right down to casting Kerwin Mathews and Torin Thatcher as the hero and villian, again. Also Nathan Juran, who directed Sinbad, co-wrote & directed Jack.

While the models are crude, they are colorful and feature some nice animation by Jim Danforth.

[Delorean90 42]

I'm definitely going to grab RoboCop in the near future, but I need to make sure I can swing it. I get paid this Friday, which will help, but my current "Want List" of recent releases alone is something like this:

Dutch

Dirty Rotten Scoundrels

Eraser

Dragonslayer

Batman: The Movie

RoboCop

Independence Day (forthcoming)

Yikes! ID4 is a definite, and I wanna know what that 3000 release is. I also definitely want to grab Dutch, as that's been a grail of mine, and...as much as I love all this, they sure aren't making things easy on me.

[Andy 4,159]

Heh... Your list is amazingly similar to mine.

I feel your pain.

[Delorean90 42]

Haha, and I even left The Goonies off the list! Still have yet to grab that one up...

[Jay 37,420]

Roger has released the first clues for the next Intrada CDs, which will be released April 27th:

okay, I'll tell you this. One is a Special Collection release of 1000 copies. The other is an MAF release.

Well, it was a popular TV series. It's probably not on the grail list, though. Cool album!

The second quote is about the MAF (unlimited copies) release

[Charlie Brigden 7]

Roger has released the first clues for the next Intrada CDs:

okay, I'll tell you this. One is a Special Collection release of 1000 copies. The other is an MAF release.

Well, it was a popular TV series. It's probably not on the grail list, though. Cool album!

The second quote is about the MAF (unlimited copies) release

I'm hoping for MAGNUM, P.I.

[Richard Penna 3,715]

Small quantity special collection is always good for us with odd tastes

[indy4 155]

Another popular one? This is getting ridiculous, but in a fantastic way!

[Jay 37,420]

A new clue from Roger about the 1,000 unit release

It's probably one of this composer's most important works and it was mostly available as a promo only a while back. This is remastered with improved sound and elegant packaging.

[Ollie 1,059]

Maybe the 1000 release is something from Lee Holdridge, Chris Young or David Newman. I would have said Michael Small's Jaws The Revenge but I don't think it's that one of his most important works. I seriously doubt it's something big, like YSH.

Have no idea what the TV series could be.