Star Wars Prequel Music Resource (part 2)

[BrotherSound 2,242]

On 11/10/2023 at 2:45 PM, Jay said:

7M3 Throne Room (End Credits) {1:24} is yet another recording using the published suite, but it hasn't turned up in a video game so we don't know what bars they used.

 

Hmm, is there much else from TPM that never surfaced in video games? All I can think of is the film version of Augie's Great Municipal Band. I'd be thrilled if there's any chance the opening of 6M11 End of Darth Maul or especially the original 7M1 After The Victory were recorded.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

3 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

Hmm, is there much else from TPM that never surfaced in video games? All I can think of is the film version of Augie's Great Municipal Band. I'd be thrilled if there's any chance the opening of 6M11 End of Darth Maul or especially the original 7M1 After The Victory were recorded.

 

As far as we're aware the only other thing missing is, as you said, the film version of Augie's. Personally I doubt the original 6M11 or 7M1 were recorded, but would love to be proven wrong!

[Datameister 2,044]

I feel certain the beginning of End of Darth Maul was recorded. If you listen to the beginning of the material used in the film and UE, you can kinda hear a bit of the reverb tail from the previous note. To my knowledge, that's the one bit of TPM that hasn't surfaced anywhere in any form at all.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

11 minutes ago, Datameister said:

I feel certain the beginning of End of Darth Maul was recorded. If you listen to the beginning of the material used in the film and UE, you can kinda hear a bit of the reverb tail from the previous note. To my knowledge, that's the one bit of TPM that hasn't surfaced anywhere in any form at all.

 

I noticed that too. It'd be odd if they consistently left that part out of every single video game.

[Datameister 2,044]

1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

I noticed that too. It'd be odd if they consistently left that part out of every single video game.

 

Meh, it could happen. It's more amazing to me how much did get included in the various games.

[Giftheck 916]

If they didn't see a use for it, they wouldn't put it in for the heck of it (though if they did then I think it would have shown up in TOR given most of the remaining Prequel music did apart from one or two cues)

 

Just as a reminder, we thought for years that the original opening to Battle of the Heroes wasn't recorded, until it showed up in that Abbey Road documentary. We know certain passages weren't recorded because they were struck through on the sheets. That section of The End of Maul isn't one of them.

[ThePenitentMan1 744]

6 hours ago, Giftheck said:

If they didn't see a use for it, they wouldn't put it in for the heck of it (though if they did then I think it would have shown up in TOR given most of the remaining Prequel music did apart from one or two cues)

 

Just as a reminder, we thought for years that the original opening to Battle of the Heroes wasn't recorded, until it showed up in that Abbey Road documentary. We know certain passages weren't recorded because they were struck through on the sheets. That section of The End of Maul isn't one of them.

 

How about that one small section in the middle of 3m2 - Are You A Jedi?  Was that part crossed out?

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

I should clarify that when I initially replied for whatever reason my mind went to the cut section of "Blowups", not the cut opening of 6M11-New. 6M11-New I'm inclined to believe was recorded; not only is there clearly a tail of reverb at the beginning that we have, but the cue log lists the runtime as 1:41, whereas the recording we have now is about 1:30.

[Faleel 5,353]

Do we think the Battlefront re-releases will have easier access to some unreleased stuff? IIRC there was some stuff in the cutscenes?

[Brando 1,864]

2 hours ago, Faleel said:

Do we think the Battlefront re-releases will have easier access to some unreleased stuff? IIRC there was some stuff in the cutscenes?

Most likely it'll be the same as the original release. Or they'll change all the music and strictly use the OST's

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

4 hours ago, Faleel said:

Do we think the Battlefront re-releases will have easier access to some unreleased stuff? IIRC there was some stuff in the cutscenes?

 

Most likely going to be exactly the same since the cutscenes were pre-rendered, so I doubt the source files for those still exist.

 

Only thing we can hope for is that the gameplay music will be uncompressed this time. I highly doubt that too, but the size of the re-release it quite large (mostly accounting for the AI upscaled textures though), so it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

[Faleel 5,353]

OK, I was just hoping it might be possible it's in 5.1

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

1 hour ago, Faleel said:

OK, I was just hoping it might be possible it's in 5.1

 

Do you remember if they even contain anything we don't already have clean from other games? I seem to remember everything from those cutscenes being present elsewhere now.

[Faleel 5,353]

4 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Do you remember if they even contain anything we don't already have clean from other games? I seem to remember everything from those cutscenes being present elsewhere now.

Pretty sure part of Zam's Dirty Trick is in there, with children's voices over top.

[Faleel 5,353]

Palpatine's Big pitch from TFU cutscenes front channels, cleaned with AI:

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

12 minutes ago, Faleel said:

Palpatine's Big pitch from TFU cutscenes front channels, cleaned with AI:

 

 

 

Too bad they felt the need to overlay another cue on top of it.

 

EDIT: I did check the BF2 cutscenes and couldn't find anything that we don't already have clean from elsewhere.

[Faleel 5,353]

20 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Too bad they felt the need to overlay another cue on top of it.

 

Where, what cue?

[crumbs 14,317]

30 minutes ago, Faleel said:

Palpatine's Big pitch from TFU cutscenes front channels, cleaned with AI:

 

 

 

Fantastic stuff... ROTS is definitely my most-wanted prequel expansion. It deserves the Matessino treatment!

 

That alternate Battle of the Heroes opening being recorded was a great discovery last year. Who knows what else was recorded we don't know about!

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

Just now, Faleel said:

Where, what cue?

 

The strings that come in at 0:10 are from Goodbye Old Friend, pitched down 1 semitone.

 

 

[Faleel 5,353]

7 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

The strings that come in at 0:10 are from Goodbye Old Friend, pitched down 1 semitone.

 

Oh wow, I didn't even notice, music editors being too clever for their own good!

12 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

Fantastic stuff... ROTS is definitely my most-wanted prequel expansion. It deserves the Matessino treatment!

 

That alternate Battle of the Heroes opening being recorded was a great discovery last year. Who knows what else was recorded we don't know about!

Another bit, the ending of I Am the Senate, less clean:

 

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

2 hours ago, Faleel said:

Another bit, the ending of I Am the Senate, less clean:

 

 

 

I never realized that appeared anywhere! First time I'm hearing it as a non-mockup! 

 

(EDIT: Specifically the part at 0:09)

[Faleel 5,353]

13 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

I never realized that appeared anywhere! First time I'm hearing it as a non-mockup! 

A bit of it also showed up in the ROTS DVD menu

[Faleel 5,353]

Better rip of the Goodbye Old Friend Alternate:

 

 

 

22 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

I never realized that appeared anywhere! First time I'm hearing it as a non-mockup! 

 

(EDIT: Specifically the part at 0:09)

 

22 hours ago, Faleel said:

A bit of it also showed up in the ROTS DVD menu

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

25 minutes ago, Faleel said:

 

Ah, that's just from the film stem. Too bad they didn't use the unused ending.

[Faleel 5,353]

Just now, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Ah, that's just from the film stem. Too bad they didn't use the unused ending.

Interestingly, bandit separated the "Plaguies Choir" from the orchestral stuff.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,897]

27 minutes ago, Faleel said:

Better rip of the Goodbye Old Friend Alternate:

 

 

Alright, now in an official expansion we'll just need a third version with George singing along. 👍

[Faleel 5,353]

Just now, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Alright, now in an official expansion we'll just need a third version with George singing along. 👍

The Lucas/Williams Collaboration III: The Shower Sessions.

 

[stravinsky 206]

In three years time with the 50th Anniversary I expect all 9 Scores will be released in their entirety(?). As far as the sheer amount of material written for the Prequels & Sequels would this amount to about 3 CDs per Movie? I realise this question has probably been asked many times. 

[SilverTrumpet 638]

On 09/03/2024 at 8:51 PM, Faleel said:

Better rip of the Goodbye Old Friend Alternate:

 

 

What is this from? A behind the scenes thing? I don't remember that cue being featured in anything.

[Faleel 5,353]

1 minute ago, SilverTrumpet said:

 

What is this from? A behind the scenes thing? I don't remember that cue being featured in anything.

Revenge of the Sith DVD featurette.

[SilverTrumpet 638]

16 minutes ago, Faleel said:

Revenge of the Sith DVD featurette.

 

Well, I figured that. Which one? I thought I've seen them all.

[Faleel 5,353]

13 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said:

 

Well, I figured that. Which one? I thought I've seen them all.

Endlessly Compelling.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

5 hours ago, stravinsky said:

As far as the sheer amount of material written for the Prequels & Sequels would this amount to about 3 CDs per Movie?

Most likely 2 CDs each for episodes I, II, III, IV, and V, and 3 CDs each for episodes VI, VII, VIII, and IX.

Episode IX might even require 4 discs. There were 226 minutes recorded, which could theoretically fit on 3, but that doesn’t account for putting inserts or overlays into their intended context.

[enderdrag64 624]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

Episode IX might even require 4 discs. There were 226 minutes recorded, which could theoretically fit on 3, but that doesn’t account for putting inserts or overlays into their intended context.

Or they could always pull a Rogue One EE and abruptly start and stop mid-music

[SilverTrumpet 638]

4 hours ago, Faleel said:

Endlessly Compelling.

 

Huh! I've seen that one a billion times and I never noticed that little moment in it because Williams is talking over it. 

[Brando 1,864]

4 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

Or they could always pull a Rogue One EE and abruptly start and stop mid-music

OR they hire Didier Deutsch and we get the worst soundtrack release of all time-making the Ultimate Edition a masterpiece.

[Trent B 337]

Can someone post the file that contains the ending for "Spare Canister Caper"? Or maybe can someone upload it and PM it to me please?

Edit: Also can anyone properly use AI separation and make the rest of material for ROTS clean? I hope one day we do get legit complete releases for the Prequels...it would be nice.

[stravinsky 206]

On 13/03/2024 at 7:53 PM, BrotherSound said:

Most likely 2 CDs each for episodes I, II, III, IV, and V, and 3 CDs each for episodes VI, VII, VIII, and IX.

Episode IX might even require 4 discs. There were 226 minutes recorded, which could theoretically fit on 3, but that doesn’t account for putting inserts or overlays into their intended context.

Thank you v much for this info. As I say I'm really hoping once 2027 comes along we'll get the Deluxe treatment for all 9 Scores that  we've been waiting for all these years. 3 CDs for Return of the Jedi? 

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

The SE is two 75 minutes cds, and is missing some jabba source music, all versions of lapti nek, all versions of ewok celebration, jabba the hutt concert version….

[King Mark 3,631]

On 08/03/2024 at 10:21 PM, crumbs said:

 

 

 

That alternate Battle of the Heroes opening being recorded was a great discovery last year. Who knows what else was recorded we don't know about!

where's that? must have missed it

[crumbs 14,317]

1 hour ago, King Mark said:

where's that? must have missed it

 

It was in the Abbey Road documentary released on Disney+. They had a segment on John Williams and the Star Wars scores. Somewhat miraculously they included footage of the alternate BOTH intro being recorded with the LSO.

[CGCJ 394]

2 hours ago, King Mark said:

where's that? must have missed it

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

3 hours ago, crumbs said:

It was in the Abbey Road documentary released on Disney+. They had a segment on John Williams and the Star Wars scores. Somewhat miraculously they included footage of the alternate BOTH intro being recorded with the LSO.

That alternate intro is 6M9 D.V.D. V.1 Revenge of the Sith. Seems like a reasonable guess the actual album version is v2.

[enderdrag64 624]

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

They had a segment on John Williams and the Star Wars scores. Somewhat miraculously they included footage of the alternate BOTH intro being recorded with the LSO.

Yeah it's especially impressive given that their entire JW section was only 5 minutes long

[Edmilson 7,466]

46 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

That alternate intro is 6M9 D.V.D. V.1 Revenge of the Sith. Seems like a reasonable guess the actual album version is v2.

Here's something I always wanted to know about these prequels cue lists (though I think this only happens in ROTS?... not sure): why some of them have "D.V.D." written after the reel/part number? Does that mean that this version of the cue was recorded specifically for the DVD release of the movie, probably featuring a longer and/or different version of the scene? And what is the difference between this version of the cue and the version recorded for the theatrical cut?

[BrotherSound 2,242]

3 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Here's something I always wanted to know about these prequels cue lists (though I think this only happens in ROTS?... not sure): why some of them have "D.V.D." written after the reel/part number? Does that mean that this version of the cue was recorded specifically for the DVD release of the movie, probably featuring a longer and/or different version of the scene? And what is the difference between this version of the cue and the version recorded for the theatrical cut?

 

AOTC had a "CD Version". My best guess is "DVD Version" is a reference to the Star Wars: A Musical Journey DVD that accompanied the original release of the soundtrack album.

 

I believe the concert arrangement of Battle of the Heroes uses the same take(s) as the film cue (6M9 Revenge of the Sith) for the most part, just with an added introduction and a different ending.

[CGCJ 394]

1 minute ago, Edmilson said:

Here's something I always wanted to know about these prequels cue lists (though I think this only happens in ROTS?... not sure): why some of them have "D.V.D." written after the reel/part number? Does that mean that this version of the cue was recorded specifically for the DVD release of the movie, probably featuring a longer and/or different version of the scene? And what is the difference between this version of the cue and the version recorded for the theatrical cut?

Presumably it was written for the Star Wars: A Musical Journey DVD that was included with the soundtrack, which I think was the concert suites set to footage.

[Smeltington 1,440]

Were there actually any "DVD" cues that appeared only on the Musical Journey DVD?

[Brando 1,864]

3 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

 

AOTC had a "CD Version". My best guess is "DVD Version" is a reference to the Star Wars: A Musical Journey DVD that accompanied the original release of the soundtrack album.

 

I believe the concert arrangement of Battle of the Heroes uses the same take(s) as the film cue (6M9 Revenge of the Sith) for the most part, just with an added introduction and a different ending.

Does the recording end as it does in the film? Right after Obi-Wan slices and dices Anakin, the music cuts abruptly, which could've been recorded that way or the cue was just cut short too, but its kind of hard to tell.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

43 minutes ago, Brando said:

Does the recording end as it does in the film? Right after Obi-Wan slices and dices Anakin, the music cuts abruptly, which could've been recorded that way or the cue was just cut short too, but its kind of hard to tell.

 

The abrupt ending is indeed the way it was written for the film. There's an optional ending "(for CD) if wanted" that adds a long note in the bass instruments to give it a more final conclusion, presumably written before he wrote the DVD versions with a more elaborate ending. We don't know yet if this optional short ending was recorded.