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Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jay said: Not available in Ireland 😭 is it a feature on the BluRay by any chance? Edit: never mind I see your videos above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 I like open matte in general for Super 35. I like seeing more stuff at the top and bottom. bruce marshall, Unlucky Bastard and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jay said: Doesn't it happen more than once? I remember a bit where it shows the boat crew gawking at old lady Rose when she's talking about her younger self being naked I haven't seen the film since 1998 so don't remember specifics Correct. If I remember correctly, she appears: Opening scenes (of course) After the linked sunset scene with them on the bow of the ship Again shortly after that, as you mentioned, right after the drawing scene (which has a very nice transition back to her) She appears after the ship has sunk too, kicking off the final montage of them getting rescued by the Carpathia (I hope I remembered the name of that ship right) Closing scenes. However, she functions as the film's narrator. So she has VO over a couple scenes like when the ship takes off, I remember her explaining who Molly Brown was in a montage scene, and other places as well. It doesn't feel out of place for her to appear for me. She's woven through the movie in various ways pretty well I recall. crumbs and Jay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bilbo said: Not available in Ireland 😭 Just type "titanic theatrical vs imax" into youtube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bilbo said: Not available in Ireland 😭 is it a feature on the BluRay by any chance? Edit: never mind I see your videos above! 3-D Blu-Ray release has it open matte on the 3-D and 2-D discs. The standalone 2-D version is in the original 2.39:1 ratio. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 1 minute ago, TSMefford said: Again shortly after that, as you mentioned, right after the drawing scene (which has a very nice transition back to her) This is the main one that jumped into my mind and the one that I think functions as sort of intermission before the disaster movie half. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I like open matte in general for Super 35. I like seeing more stuff at the top and bottom. So do you prefer the Justice League treatment (to bring it back around) or do you only like it filled in to cover only the 16:9 space? Not trying to debate, just curious what your preferences are, because you could fill out Super 35 into nearly a square. There are people who want to see all of what was shot on the negative, which can be more than what we ever see in theaters or on Blu-Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 As far as JL goes, I prefer to not watch any version. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I've always really liked the flash "forward" to the present day in the middle of Titanic. Not b/c it acts as an intermission, but because Cameron is so good at pulling us into that story that it's always a small surprise, no matter how many times I've seen it, when it happens and we're reminded that we're actually just watching historical events, as seen through old Rose's eyes, and most of the people we're seeing are dead. It's incredibly effective cinema in my opinion, and adds a lot of punch to the end. Though it does raise the interesting question of whether we're watching events as they actually unfolded, or merely Rose's imperfect memory of those events. Who knows maybe Cal was a nice guy after all! TSMefford and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted February 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2021 2.39 looks way better. Framing in cinema is a very precise art. The greatest directors obsess over it for hours if not days to get it exactly right and a lot of planning goes in preproduction to get those right. You can't suddenly change the frame and expect the composition to have the same impact. I think open mattes are good as novelty. But if you have an even slight academic interest in films and film-making, then the original framing is your best bet. It is the best way to truly engage with the direction of the film. Bilbo, TSMefford and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Cameron's an interesting case though. Both Titanic and Avatar were filmed with displaying the films in different aspect ratios in mind (1.78, 1.85, 2.39). Most of his films I have been 1.85 I think. Titanic was an exception with its wide release at 2.39, but you could make the argument that the 1.78 version is no less "legitimate". And I know he's said his prefered version of Avatar is 1.78. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 At least with Cameron we can say there’s thought and reasoning behind it. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: 2.39 looks way better. Framing in cinema is a very precise art. The greatest directors obsess over it for hours if not days to get it exactly right and a lot of planning goes in preproduction to get those right. You can't suddenly change the frame and expect the composition to have the same impact. I think open mattes are good as novelty. But if you have an even slight academic interest in films and film-making, then the original framing is your best bet. It is the best way to truly engage with the direction of the film. 100% agree Ulyssesian. I mean I only do a fraction of what is done on a feature film and I still spend hours and days working on framing and shot composition for my projects. Even at my level it is planned and thought out carefully. It is certainly a hugely intricate and time consuming artform. On the flip-side though, I'd say most people are watching films for entertainment or an escape and not necessarily in an academic sense or even in an artistic sense. Most people just want to enjoy the movie and it seems to really annoy them when there's black bars. I've heard some people say it takes them out of it. Personally, I find most of the time it brings me into it more and I am not ever bothered by the unused portions of the screen. I do support people watching altered versions if it really is that necessary for engagement to remove the bars, but I always want to have the Director's intent available first and foremost. 11 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Cameron's an interesting case though. Both Titanic and Avatar were filmed with displaying the films in different aspect ratios in mind (1.78, 1.85, 2.39). Most of his films I have been 1.85 I think. Titanic was an exception. I know he's said his prefered version of Avatar is 1.78. Oh yeah it can get real into the weeds when a film is shot with multiple ratios in mind, like Justice League, Dunkirk, many of the Marvel films, among others. Then the question becomes: What ratio does the Director prefer? Having to cater to these multiple formats can affect the framing a bit and be restrictive. Personally, were I in that situation I know I would come across a time where I want a certain shot, but doing it that way would be a problem in one of the other ratios. It gets so complicated so fast and I don't even want to think about cases where there are multiple edits, plus the various changes to color grading and VFX over the years. Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and even Titanic have now all altered color grading and VFX in the various releases and remasters of their films. Plus, tastes change if a Director were to revisit it. Then what do you do as an "Originalist"? Which one do you watch? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I went on my phone quite a bit during the soapy scenes in Titanic. There are occasional cutaways to the historian operational bits and White Patriarchal glory, but it becomes a totally different movie when the disaster occurs. It really is a better disaster movie than romance. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 The disaster part is when I start to tune out a bit after all these rewatches. I love it most as a period drama TSMefford and bruce marshall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I prefer tape 2 Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Really I just love it all TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Does anyone love Justice League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Does anyone love Justice League? Danny Elfman Batman'd the shit out of it, who doesn't love it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 At Joss Whedon's request! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Does anyone love Justice League? I sure don't. Don't think the Snyder Cut will change that, but I must admit I'm intrigued my the massive amount of unreleased footage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 The 4:3 aspect ratio is clearly an homage to the old George Reeves Superman shorts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2021 Too bad crap doesn't get good by changing the aspect ratio. Edmilson, Bilbo, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 That's just a variation on what Disco said: 12 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Yeah Snyder's visual style is awful no matter what ratio he uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Well, I said it in a funny way. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Are you really funny though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Someone showed me the trailer yesterday, all hyped that this was finally coming... ...needless to say, I thought it looked like one giant pile of shit, like it was a convincing AAA video game trailer. Shots of Cyborg so close-up are disturbingly poor in their execution and make him look more fake than he did the first time. I mean look at this crap - it's pre Iron Man 2008, it's worse than that; it's something from before Transformers! Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Wow, that's bad. 54 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Are you really funny though? That's up to the beholder. At least I'm not unintentionally funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,433 Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2021 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: Wow, that's bad. I would say even worse than this, some parts looks like PS2 graphics... Jurassic Shark, Arpy and Edmilson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's up to the beholder. At least I'm not unintentionally funny. Sometimes you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Yeah, the more I've thought about this (which I didn't know about until I read it here yesterday), the more I think Snyder should have just stuck with 16x9. I just think he's being too clever by half. I mean seriously Zack, you're not Kubrick and this film, even if it's a big improvement, still isn't going to be anyone's idea of a masterpiece. So stop trying to be the special artiste' with the comfortable shoes. Cinema only has room for one Nolan at a time. TV's a rectangle, coffee table's a rectangle, couch is a rectangle, and since I'm watching this at home, your crappy movie should be a rectangle. My suspicion is that this has less to do with some kind of artistic vision and more about Snyder doing as much as he can to distinguish his precious work of art from what Wheedon did. Even if Snyder originally framed the film with an IMAX release in mind, it's stupid to do when it's intended to be a home release. Get over yourself Zack. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: your crappy movie should be a rectangle. Well, it is. 14 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Sometimes you are! You don't know my intentions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: At least I'm not unintentionally funny. Jurassic Shark, Edmilson and Raiders of the SoundtrArk 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Well, I said it in a funny way. Disco's post received way more likes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I always aim for quality over quantity. Holko and Smeltington 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Quality likes?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 So speaking of aspect ratios, I've gotten into a fight with some weirdo on a home theatre group who thinks watching movies like this is ideal. I mean... I can't even. He got really defensive about it too. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Wrong aspect ratio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 34 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Wrong aspect ratio? Stretched to fit the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 53 minutes ago, The Big Man said: So speaking of aspect ratios, I've gotten into a fight with some weirdo on a home theatre group who thinks watching movies like this is ideal.mv I mean... I can't even. He got really defensive about it too. Watching a movie with that charity shop furniture isn't ideal in any aspect ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Big Man said: Stretched to fit the screen. He hates black bars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Cropping is one thing... but running a home theatre group and doing... that?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Awful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Perhaps the actor just has a very narrow head. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 44 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: Watching a movie with that charity shop furniture isn't ideal in any aspect ratio. It's a whole generation in a state of arrested development, stuck in adolescence. With disposable income to waste on expensive equipment, but no ability to furnish and decorate a home like a proper grown-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 He's paying for all that screen space and these discs don't even use the whole thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted February 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, The Big Man said: So speaking of aspect ratios, I've gotten into a fight with some weirdo on a home theatre group who thinks watching movies like this is ideal. I mean... I can't even. He got really defensive about it too. I would speculate this guy knows how to properly watch things and felt like having an argument with people online, purposely posting a picture knowing it would raise the ire of people on that forum. It's the same thing various people do on this forum. TSMefford, Jurassic Shark, DarthDementous and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 He should purchase a slicer. Just now, Jay said: I would speculate this guy knows how to properly watch things and felt like having an argument with people online, purposely posting a picture knowing it would raise the ire of people on that forum. It's the same thing various people do on this forum. Sadly this fella was in earnest. I've seen him get defensive about it several times before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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