Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I think if anything we've heard is Tauriel's theme it's the bit that appears, among other places, at the start of The Hunters.Wait, scratch that. I don't know what I'm talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRougeau 5 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 lol. How does The Forest River sample not sound like a big huge orchestra to you?I will make an exception for 2 cues: The Forest River and My Armor is Iron. Those 2 "action" cues match the openness of the previous scores more closely than anything else in these samples. But somehow, even the quieter dialogue moments of the LOTR scores sound more open than what I'm hearing here. Many of the smaller moments here remind me of the recording of "The Silence of the Lambs". Great Shore score, but a VASTLY different recording process than LOTR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 lol. How does The Forest River sample not sound like a big huge orchestra to you?I will make an exception for 2 cues: The Forest River and My Armor is Iron. Those 2 "action" cues match the openness of the previous scores more closely than anything else in these samples. But somehow, even the quieter dialogue moments of the LOTR scores sound more open than what I'm hearing here. Many of the smaller moments here remind me of the recording of "The Silence of the Lambs". Great Shore score, but a VASTLY different recording process than LOTR.Well, for one thing, as Conrad Pope said the NZSO could use some older instruments in their strings to get a better sound; that's likely the biggest difference as far as the orchestra goes: the age/quality of the instruments being used. It really does make a marked difference when you're used to hearing the Stradivarius infested LSO, LPO or LA string sections.But really I think most of the perceived difference is just a matter of the material we're hearing. When you get the blistering brass clusters and aleatoric seething, you'll know you're home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRougeau 5 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 lol. How does The Forest River sample not sound like a big huge orchestra to you?I will make an exception for 2 cues: The Forest River and My Armor is Iron. Those 2 "action" cues match the openness of the previous scores more closely than anything else in these samples. But somehow, even the quieter dialogue moments of the LOTR scores sound more open than what I'm hearing here. Many of the smaller moments here remind me of the recording of "The Silence of the Lambs". Great Shore score, but a VASTLY different recording process than LOTR.Well, for one thing, as Conrad Pope said the NZSO could use some older instruments in their strings to get a better sound; that's likely the biggest difference as far as the orchestra goes: the age/quality of the instruments being used.But really I think most of the perceived difference is just a matter of the material we're hearing. When you get the blistering brass clusters and aleatoric seething, you'll know you're home. Hehe, I sure hope so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 It's clear now that the theme was for their Journey, not the company as a whole, which was likely always the Misty Mountains theme. Too bad it got cut form the film and (almost) the OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Listening to the samples now. I dunno, maybe I'm losing it but if anything this sounds more in line with LOTR than AUJ did. Sounding great so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 When you get the blistering brass clusters and aleatoric seething, you'll know you're home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jim Ware 526 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Listening to the samples now. I dunno, maybe I'm losing it but if anything this sounds more in line with LOTR than AUJ did. Sounding great so far!It does to me too.AUJ is as far removed from a LOTR score as you can be in PJ's framework. Everything from this point on will move closer to LOTR. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I NEED to hear the rest of Beyond the Forest! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Listening to the samples now. I dunno, maybe I'm losing it but if anything this sounds more in line with LOTR than AUJ did. Sounding great so far!It does to me too.AUJ is as far removed from a LOTR score as you can be in PJ's framework. Everything from this point on will move closer to it.Yes that is a good way to put it. Oh and I am loving the preview clips.Beyond the Forest sounds fantastic indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRougeau 5 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Listening to the samples now. I dunno, maybe I'm losing it but if anything this sounds more in line with LOTR than AUJ did. Sounding great so far!It does to me too.AUJ is as far removed from a LOTR score as you can be in PJ's framework. Everything from this point on will move closer to it.Why is that? Dry sound from recording at Abbey Road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 It's far too early to tell but this isn't sounding any drier than TTT to me. In fact I'm getting something of a Towers feeling from the samples in general. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Listening to the samples now. I dunno, maybe I'm losing it but if anything this sounds more in line with LOTR than AUJ did. Sounding great so far!It does to me too.AUJ is as far removed from a LOTR score as you can be in PJ's framework. Everything from this point on will move closer to it.Why is that? Dry sound from recording at Abbey Road?He meant the writing, not the recording techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRougeau 5 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 It's far too early to tell but this isn't sounding any drier than TTT to me. In fact I'm getting something of a Towers feeling from the samples in general.Interesting. And TTT was as wet as could be, to my ears. I'll need to listen to the samples again when I get home from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 It definitely sounds drier than TTT, but its not an issue at all. I don't think they were going to go for the LotR wet sound.But in terms of the music, its certainly sounds a lot closer to LotR than AUJ was, which makes me excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRougeau 5 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Listening to the samples now. I dunno, maybe I'm losing it but if anything this sounds more in line with LOTR than AUJ did. Sounding great so far!It does to me too.AUJ is as far removed from a LOTR score as you can be in PJ's framework. Everything from this point on will move closer to it.Why is that? Dry sound from recording at Abbey Road?He meant the writing, not the recording techniques.Ah I see. I'd be interested to hear in what ways you feel the writing was different? I thought it was very much in line with what had come before it.....to me, TTT seems to be the most "out of place" Middle-Earth score, not AUJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Listening to the samples now. I dunno, maybe I'm losing it but if anything this sounds more in line with LOTR than AUJ did. Sounding great so far!It does to me too.AUJ is as far removed from a LOTR score as you can be in PJ's framework. Everything from this point on will move closer to it.Why is that? Dry sound from recording at Abbey Road?He meant the writing, not the recording techniques.Yes - original post edited for clarity*. *Apologies for beer-induced lack of clarity initially, but it's Friday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Sounds very...crisp! Nice change of pace from the blurry echoes of Lord of the Rings Complete Recordings, or the blurry and dry bloat that was AUJ.It's as though a dragon breathed some gentle fire on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 With regards wet vs dry sound, I just remember Towers sounding clearer and more detailed than Fellowship, particularly when I heard the CR. I think that's what influenced me when comparing the sound of DOS. After hearing the samples though, I'm just very very excited about hearing the whole thing. Sounds like we're getting plenty of new themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Listening to the samples now. I dunno, maybe I'm losing it but if anything this sounds more in line with LOTR than AUJ did. Sounding great so far!It does to me too.AUJ is as far removed from a LOTR score as you can be in PJ's framework. Everything from this point on will move closer to it.Why is that? Dry sound from recording at Abbey Road?He meant the writing, not the recording techniques.Ah I see. I'd be interested to hear in what ways you feel the writing was different? I thought it was very much in line with what had come before it.....to me, TTT seems to be the most "out of place" Middle-Earth score, not AUJ.The LOTR trilogy has an interesting thematic structure over the course of the trilogy - in FOTR everything builds to the creation of the Fellowship and develops from there, TTT concentrates on deconstructing everything as storylines and characters split, ROTK then re-constructs everything in contrapuntal or serial fashion.An entertaining little offshoot of this is the treatment of all the 'ring' themes in ROTK. The various motifs all crash together in the Smeagol/Deagol prologue and are disassembled over the course of the film, culminating in Sammath Naur which is a lengthy deconstruction of The History of the Ring. Unfortunately the original compositional intent is missing from the final picture as the cues that showcase it were all unused!I have completely avoided the question, but tangential discussion is fun I think. Smaug will be the most 'out of place' Hobbit score, but you will be in a comfortable place at the end of There and Back Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I can't stop listening >_> Keep re-playing Thrice Welcome etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 That first 11 seconds of 'A Spell of Concealment' is interesting. I was wondering if it might have something to do with Thrain, since it reminded me a little (just a little) of The Dwarf Lords.It's probably for Gandalf becoming invisible to enter the dungeons of Dol Guldur, and discovering Thrain tortured to the brink of death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,219 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 The clip from The Quest of Erebor seems plausible as the opening of the film, accompanying the studio logos. Given that the mood of the music is rather doleful, I can help wondering if and how it's going to lead in to a statement of the The Shire theme to go with the main title.(I'm talking about the original intentions, of course. For the actual film they'll probably just paste in some Shire music from The Two Towers or something...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 The clip from The Quest of Erebor seems plausible as the opening of the film, accompanying the studio logos. Given that the mood of the music is rather doleful, I can help wondering if and how it's going to lead in to a statement of the The Shire theme to go with the main title.(I'm talking about the original intentions, of course. For the actual film they'll probably just paste in some Shire music from The Two Towers or something...)Which would be perversely amusing as the intended Shire music under the TTT opening titles was replaced! Incidentally, James Sizemore also orchestrated Desolation of Smaug - http://jamessizemore.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 You've heard about 10% of the full thing. Patience will be rewarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Is there a lot of vocal work in the score, Jim? There doesn't seem to be a whole lot in the samples...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Anyone else expecting Quest for Erebor to shift into Alan Menken's Pocahontas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Adams 494 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Is there a lot of vocal work in the score, Jim? There doesn't seem to be a whole lot in the samples...KarolYes.-NotJim crocodile and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I can't believe we have 14 minutes of score to listen to, yet it seems so unsatisfying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Is there a lot of vocal work in the score, Jim? There doesn't seem to be a whole lot in the samples...KarolYes.-NotJimHey NotJim, do you mean choral or solo vocal? ;-) Doug Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 The subtle choral writing in The Woodland Realm is mouthwatering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 604 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Is there a lot of vocal work in the score, Jim? There doesn't seem to be a whole lot in the samples...KarolYes.-NotJimOh my God! That is my favorite part of Shore's writing. "Beyond the Forest" sounds unbelievable. I wish he would score a film of mine in the future. Can't wait to listen to the complete album! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Seriously, its starting to be like with the Prequel scores, TPM/AUJ "Too much tracking!" DOS/AOTC "It doesn't sound like the other scores!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 With the difference that DoS is, or seems to be, more entertaining.Any YouTube video of the samples? I'm on my crappy mobile which doesn't play these things from the actual sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LodYTJYpnT0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 So Doug confirms an important new theme in 'In the Shadow of the Mountain', which is rather reminiscent of the Dwarrowdelf theme/moment. I'm guessing it will be when they look upon Erebor first-hand, or perhaps when they're walking up the huge statue. Can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 These sound excellent. Even more pumped for this score now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 16, 2013 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2013 Beyond The Forest gives me exactly the same kind of shivers the best moments from LotR did. I'm so happy. crocodile, Incanus, KK and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Beyond The Forest gives me exactly the same kind of shivers the best moments from LotR did. I'm so happy.It is strikingly beautiful from the first listen really, even that small snippet. And I am getting giddy just thinking about how Shore will develop that material during the 5 minute running time of the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Sent the chills down my spine the first time I heard it.I hope we hear more of it because it really sounds like it'll shape up to be my favourite theme in the trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 RETURNING themes I hear in these samples:03 A Necromancer0:02-0:27 is this a new variation of Descending Thirds?08 Barrels Out Of Bond0:00-0:13 Bilbo's Adventure Theme0:22-end Bilbo's Fussy Theme12 The High Fells0:09-0:11 is that choral word from the Ringwraith theme?0:11-end the High Fells strings from Edge of the Wild13 The Nature of Evilall The Woodland Realm theme (theme when Thranduil enters Erebor in My Dear Frodo)17 Durin's Folk0:18- 0:28 Erebor18 In The Shadow of the Mountainall Is this the opening logos theme from AUJ?19 A Spell of Concealment0:11-end Descending Thirds21 The Courage of Hobbits0:09-end The Shire22 Inside Information0:07-0:09 first two notes of Smaug's Theme24 A Liar and a Thief0:200:25 Smaug's inverted theme (from Axe or Sword)Did I miss anything?Good list! From what I can make out, I would add:10 The Forest riverThe motive started in the horns and continued in the trumpets sounds like a more action-oriented variant of the Woodland Realm theme20 On the DoorstepErebor motive at the beginning and end. Also, the short horn bit in the middle is reminiscent of "Into the West", but I'd guess that's coincidental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 I do quite like Sheeran's song but "Beyond the Forest" seems like the perfect end credits song. I wonder why they felt they needed to get someone to do a song when Shore had probably already recorded that.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Will Tauriel die in this film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I thought she was being added to The Lord of the Rings Motion Picture Trilogy Special Edition in place of Sam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I do quite like Sheeran's song but "Beyond the Forest" seems like the perfect end credits song. I wonder why they felt they needed to get someone to do a song when Shore had probably already recorded that.I don't think it's a song per se, at least not in the traditional sense. I believe it'll be more like an end credits piece or suite version of that theme that will play after the song in the end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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