crocodile 8,027 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Doctor said: If it's supposed to sound like Zimmer and others, what's the point of getting Elfman to do it? Because Whedon enjoyed working with him on Age of Ultron? 10 minutes ago, Arpy said: I think contemporary art has its place, just as contemporary film music does. There are two suites presented on the album, Hero and Anti-Hero themes. If they are (most likely) album arrangements of major themes, they're still underwhelming in that form. I'm not spelling doom or gloom, though, just speculation on two cues... Just because a track has "theme" in the title doesn't automatically mean it's an album/concert arrangement. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 15 minutes ago, crocodile said: Guys, you have to also remember Elfman in this film is following in the footsteps of Zimmer and others... and that will have to show in the score. For better or worse, certain stylistic choices have been already established for this universe and he can't just ignore that. On 15/06/2017 at 8:54 AM, BloodBoal said: People are getting ecstatic over this news, but I'm not convinced DC/Warner are going to let Elfman make a complete U-turn with what was established in their previous films, music-wise. I certainly don't expect something of the level of his Batman scores. I tried to warn them, but they wouldn't listen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 It is we who are at fault, having preconceived expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Elfman said in that interview he was using the same thematic material and it was like he never left. Those two tracks certainly indicate that he did in fact leave, and was likely kidnapped by aliens and replaced with someone else with no musical talent. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, The Doctor said: Elfman said in that interview he was using the same thematic material and it was like he never left. Those two tracks certainly indicate that he did in fact leave, and was likely kidnapped by aliens and replaced with someone else with no musical talent. Let him have a couple of beers and he'll tell you all about it. Crazy stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Zimmer himself says that Elfman doesn't listen to temp tracks when he's hired for a film. (But I think he did for JL.) https://vi-control.net/community/threads/justice-league.65956/page-2#post-4144356 https://vi-control.net/community/threads/justice-league.65956/page-2#post-4144012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,308 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Elfman slightly contradicted that in a Hollywood Reporter roundtable from a few years ago, saying he will generally listen to a temp once but never again. James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I admire Elfman's ability to trudge through the swamps of a creativity-hostile studio environment and do a little of the beyond to make it more his own. That second clip had a number of mannerisms that sounds like a pretty natural continuation of what he was doing in the '90's (ie Mission: Impossible), like those dissonant brass chords for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 I don't frequent vi-control because I'm not enough of a gearhead, but I love that Hans doesn't hesitate to give some of the more prissy members there what for. Also, a little browsing shows that the lunatic skyy38 is shitting all over the place there as well. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Love reading Hans takedown internet know-it-all’s. He does it on Facebook from time to time, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Cool. It's so easy for people to take ignorant potshots and really they don't want to hear what Hans has to say. Ignorance is bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 He is literally saying that Elfman and Whedon have full responsibility for the score and that producers of the Warner have nothing to say about it. That if the score is generic the fault will be exclusive of the incompetence of the two or of the bad taste of the public... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 There's an interview floating around apparently where Elfman says he did NOT use Zimmer/Junkie's Batman theme from BvS. EDIT: Here we go - Danny Elfman confirming he will NOT be using Zimmer/Junkie's Batman material/theme in #JusticeLeague https://t.co/6LFpg1bf1y pic.twitter.com/VEkHUJhQaF — Anton Volkov (@antovolk) 31 October 2017 TheUlyssesian and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 "Hey, uh, Hans, Elliot, Shirley, uh...I, uh, just wanted to say, uhhh, fuck you!!" MikeH and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, antovolk said: There's an interview floating around apparently where Elfman says he did NOT use Zimmer/Junkie's Batman theme from BvS. EDIT: Here we go - Danny Elfman confirming he will NOT be using Zimmer/Junkie's Batman material/theme in #JusticeLeague https://t.co/6LFpg1bf1y pic.twitter.com/VEkHUJhQaF — Anton Volkov (@antovolk) 31 October 2017 Pretentious or not, he's right about Zimmer and the interview gives me hope. But then I listen to those two tracks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 920 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Nick Parker said: "Hey, uh, Hans, Elliot, Shirley, uh...I, uh, just wanted to say, uhhh, fuck you!!" Lol, yeah Hans defends Elfman on vi control while Danny disses his and every other batman composer's work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,027 Posted October 31, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2017 Danny Elfman not using someone else's Batman theme in his own score. Karol James, crumbs, Unlucky Bastard and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 After hearing how he handled Williams' Superman theme, I think he should stick to his own themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 920 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Just now, The Doctor said: After hearing how he handled Williams' Superman theme, I think he should stick to his own themes. Agreed... I just found the way in which he dismissed all the other batman composers' work was a bit pretentious and a too bold claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 In that very same interview he confirmed his Batman theme will indeed be returning. YES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 1, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted November 1, 2017 They can't post that! Shoot them! Or something! crumbs, Arpy, crocodile and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, The Doctor said: They can't post that! Shoot them! Or something! I want that treaty signed! **** Zimmer claims there's no studio involvement, perhaps that's so when he's involved, but for other composers the opposite is true, we know of a handful of composers who have been replaced because the studios thought the music wasn't working, Pan (2015) an example I can recall off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 That too. Zimmer in his bubble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,707 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 48 minutes ago, Arpy said: I want that treaty signed! **** Zimmer claims there's no studio involvement, perhaps that's so when he's involved, but for other composers the opposite is true, we know of a handful of composers who have been replaced because the studios thought the music wasn't working, Pan (2015) an example I can recall off the top of my head. Yes I thought about Pan as well when I read Zimmer's comments. If the studios were entirely trusting Wright and Marianalli, why was Powell brought on? It's all well and good Zimmer claiming that when he or Elfman get hired, they don't get told what to write. But they're two of the biggest composers working today and have the luxury of producers wanting their sound at the moment. Not very representative of a typical situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 hours ago, antovolk said: There's an interview floating around apparently where Elfman says he did NOT use Zimmer/Junkie's Batman theme from BvS. EDIT: Lol he basically said that the Zimmer garbage wasn't a theme. He says Hans done some rhythmic stuff but Batman has only ever had one theme. Can't say I disagree. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Huge fan of sassy Elfman MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,654 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 16 hours ago, Nick Parker said: "Hey, uh, Hans, Elliot, Shirley, uh...I, uh, just wanted to say, uhhh, fuck you!!" I much prefer this choice than "And THIS is Batman's sixth theme of the movie, composed by Nelson Riddle!" James 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,345 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Haha, Elfman giving no fucks and calling it as it is. TBH, "rhythmic stuff" is being generous! TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: Yes I thought about Pan as well when I read Zimmer's comments. If the studios were entirely trusting Wright and Marianalli, why was Powell brought on? It's all well and good Zimmer claiming that when he or Elfman get hired, they don't get told what to write. But they're two of the biggest composers working today and have the luxury of producers wanting their sound at the moment. Not very representative of a typical situation. And he wasn’t talking about a typical situation, he was specifically talking about him and Danny working on this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Those comments are about par for the course for Elfman these days. My opinions about some of Zimmer's music aside (especially in the superhero genre), he's nothing if not generous, courteous and professional when being interviewed about others. Elfman's holier-than-thou attitude has gotten worse over the years, and it was already pretty bad. Elfman's and Williams' themes belong to a very specific franchise of films representing a very specific incarnation of a character. Hearing them again now would be interesting, but I fear that using them would be a distraction because they're no longer the established musical identities for those characters. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James 119 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 They are dropping the realistic and serious approach of Nolan and Snyder (successful in 2008, but currently an failure) and embracing the characterization of the animated television series. So it's not a bad idea to bring the theme of '89 or even Williams' back. Well, and the motif written for Batman in BvS was one of the worst things about the score. Even with the good arrangements of the material for the scenes with sad Bruce Wayne, we are not missing much. And in the past Zimmer has also ruled out Elfman's theme in an interview when he says it's "too happy" for Nolan's movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,707 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 hours ago, Koray Savas said: And he wasn’t talking about a typical situation, he was specifically talking about him and Danny working on this franchise. That doesn't make it any better! It means he's commenting on their stature, and that directors/producers should hire them based on what they know they will get. I'm reminded of Herrmann's interview where he says that composers shouldn't let themselves be pushed around by suits. It's not very helpful advice to newer composers who aren't in as powerful and influential, and don't have the extreme luxury Zimmer has to choose projects. Would you like a cookie from Zimmer every time you leap up to defend him against criticism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Would you like one for every time you bravely call him out? Elfman has always been sardonic, which is fine, but the occasional twattish behavior he displays is incredibly off putting and is really only rivaled by some of Horner's diva moments. Among colleagues who are highly cordial, respectful, and good natured, it seems a tad unprofessional. Shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: Would you like one for every time you bravely call him out? Elfman has always been sardonic, which is fine, but the occasional twattish behavior he displays is incredibly off putting and is really only rivaled by some of Horner's diva moments. Among colleagues who are highly cordial, respectful, and good natured, it seems a tad unprofessional. Shame. Ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Twattish or not, he's sort of right. There isn't any other Batman theme out there, other than the 1960's one, that general public would recognise. Karol TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Yeah, but I'd never do a public interview and slag off colleagues. It's just unclassy. 1 minute ago, crocodile said: Twattish or not, he's sort of right. There isn't any other Batman theme out there, other than the 1960's one, that general public would recognise. Karol I don't know Karol. To me, Hans' two notes seem quite iconic and known, but it may be different elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Just now, TheGreyPilgrim said: Yeah, but I'd never do a public interview and slag off colleagues. It's just unclassy. I don't think he's slagging anybody off. I even doubt he's ever heard any of those. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 I agree with TGP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Agree on...what? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Zimmer's theme being quite well known. It's certainly better than the Elfman, I've always found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 ... Karol A. A. Ron and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: That doesn't make it any better! It means he's commenting on their stature, and that directors/producers should hire them based on what they know they will get. I'm reminded of Herrmann's interview where he says that composers shouldn't let themselves be pushed around by suits. It's not very helpful advice to newer composers who aren't in as powerful and influential, and don't have the extreme luxury Zimmer has to choose projects. Would you like a cookie from Zimmer every time you leap up to defend him against criticism? Did you even read the thread? The dude was saying Danny was following a temp of Hans’ music for Justice League. Hans said Danny doesn’t listen to temps and that WB didn’t force them to do anything specifically on this franchise. So whatever music there came from Whedon and Danny. The conversation is about Justice League and WB, not how to make it as a young composer. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Elfman confirms why he was my first film score crush. Finally something to look forward to this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 This thread is full of "ignored content" holes. Must be a good one! A. A. Ron and Bilbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 If what i was just listening to is the result of such bravado i wager Elfman should take it down a notch or even two. Sounds like dire routine. Not Mr. Big and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 The 1966 Batman theme is arguably more well known than the 1989 theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 And way cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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