Remco 685 Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 There is a little video on the Star Wars instagram about dogs dressed up like porgs - anyway, it features some music reminiscent of the introduction of 'Knight Bus' with some pizzicato strings. Is this music familiar to anyone? (Before starting the discussion 'could it be Williams??) Will and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Could be the funniest first-listen of a Star Wars score, if it is. Anyone familiar with JW's choice of chord progressions wanna chime in? The melody is long-lined enough to be a theme he wrote for the Porgs, though it doesn't sound accoustically very Star Wars-y. John and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Remco said: There is a little video on the Star Wars instagram about dogs dressed up like porgs - anyway, it features some music reminiscent of the introduction of 'Knight Bus' with some pizzicato strings. Is this music familiar to anyone? (Before starting the discussion 'could it be Williams??) Well, Shazam at least doesn't have anything for that music.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 What's the main instrument? Is it a saxophone? The plucked strings remind me of that track from the Terminal where Viktor plays games with the security cameras (Refusing to Leave, I think). The muted sax (?) reminds me of The Knight Bus. The melody itself is surprisingly catchy but simplistic. Accoustically this sounds very little like TFA but we don't know if they've gone back to a wetter recording sound for TLJ. Pawel P. and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Could be... Sounds like real instruments, and probably isn't Haab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I'm pretty sure it's a bass clarinet. And I'm not sure either way about whether or not it's Williams. I don't think it is, but I don't want to jump the gun and say that definitively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 that'd be some pretty unusual stock music. I hope it's from TLJ just for the sake of having some score variety that TFA was sorely lacking. Will and toothless 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Does anyone else hear similarities to The Thompsons from Tintin? Not in the orchestration per ss but more the style of writing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted October 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2017 The fact that you can hear the clarinet's valves clacking away is almost enough to convince me. The melody does kinda sound like something he'd do, plus the bass line and stuff like the triangle accents....the only thing to me is I'm not sure the pizzicato sounds so much like him. I feel like it's too loud and he doesn't usually set it that high? But who knows. Either way I now feel like an idiot for watching that over and over. Will, crumbs, toothless and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Oh my god, I knew porgs were taking everything over, but has it gotten to the point where they're the gatekeepers on John freakin' Williams' new Star Wars score? crumbs and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The porgs are the key to all of this... Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Porgs? Sounds Swedish. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Let's be real: is it likely John has actually written a concert suite for the Porgs? Flight of the Porgs? Maybe he loves them even more than Daisy! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 38 minutes ago, crumbs said: Let's be real: is it likely John has actually written a concert suite for the Porgs? Flight of the Porgs? Maybe he loves them even more than Daisy! Johnny talking about Episode IX: "If I can do it, I certainly will. I told Kathy Kennedy I'm happy to do it, but the real reason is, I didn't want anybody else writing music for the porgs. And I must say, I'm quite infatuated with them. They're brilliant." chinaismine and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Guys, it's actually Kylo Ren's new theme in the Porg video, I think we might get a slapstick scene where he realizes he's wearing no pants... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 It's un-starwars-y though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, toothless said: It's un-starwars-y though... I bet people once said the same thing about the Ewok music! To say nothing of the speeder chase music in AOTC, unlike any action music that had come before in the saga. Williams is the gatekeeper of what Star Wars sounds like! Not us I refuse to have an opinion on this piece of music, but I do think it would be funny and kind of perfect for first bit of TLJ music to be the comedic porg theme. DarthDementous, Will and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Williams is the gatekeeper of what Star Wars sounds like! Would you care for a cappuccino with that claim? Will and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted October 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2017 After every other sequel score JW has done, it's weird to discount this as "non-Star Wars-ian." Did Temple of Doom sound like Raiders? TLW like JP? Azkaban like Sorcerer's Stone? Phantom Menace like the OT? JW's regularly shown a flagrant disregard for musical continuity beyond the customary themes. He seems much more invested in creating the most appropriate score for the film itself, regardless of its place in the overarching series it belongs to. Chen G., John and Cerebral Cortex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 964 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I bet people once said the same thing about the Ewok music! To say nothing of the speeder chase music in AOTC, unlike any action music that had come before in the saga. Williams is the gatekeeper of what Star Wars sounds like! Not us I refuse to have an opinion on this piece of music, but I do think it would be funny and kind of perfect for first bit of TLJ music to be the comedic porg theme. Agreed, But right now, it's un-starwars-y It may very well be part of the star wars sound from december 13 ! 33 minutes ago, crumbs said: After every other sequel score JW has done, it's weird to discount this as "non-Star Wars-ian." Did Temple of Doom sound like Raiders? TLW like JP? Azkaban like Sorcerer's Stone? Phantom Menace like the OT? JW's regularly shown a flagrant disregard for musical continuity beyond the customary themes. He seems much more invested in creating the most appropriate score for the film itself, regardless of its place in the overarching series it belongs to. Of course, But we can't deny that some saga have a peculiar sound… I was talking on a broader basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 The bass clarinet melody really sounds like something that Williams *could* have written, very much in the style of Tintin or Knight Bus, and it's also a real instrument playing. The pizzicatos do make me suspicious, but who knows? It'd be funny if this is actually the first tease of the score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawel P. 738 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I think it could be Williams. Very catchy! A little bit of it reminds me of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Continuing this theme of unidentified orchestral music suddenly appearing in official Star Wars videos, what's this? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1683243338394230&id=204841616234417 Can only listen on phone but the brass is accoustically similar to TFA's. It even has parts of Main Title deconstructed in there? Pretty layered stuff if it's just stock music. toothless and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 And so it begins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 2 hours ago, crumbs said: Continuing this theme of unidentified orchestral music suddenly appearing in official Star Wars videos, what's this? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1683243338394230&id=204841616234417 Can only listen on phone but the brass is accoustically similar to TFA's. It even has parts of Main Title deconstructed in there? Pretty layered stuff if it's just stock music. Hard to tell but it sounds more like a skilled David Arnold impression than Williams. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,896 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 7 hours ago, toothless said: It's un-starwars-y though... It needs more triplet staccato trumpets!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 It sounds a lot like Haddock's theme from Tintin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I'm not pronouncing myself! And what is it with videos that blast a maximum volume with no volume control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 5 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Hard to tell but it sounds more like a skilled David Arnold impression than Williams. I seem to remember last time with TFA, we discovered that some of the Williams-esque commercial music was from a particular set of library music where Arnold actually was one of the composers. Edit: Yeah, this was it. The infamous car commercial music was the second half of the first track. I didn't find either of these tracks in there but it does just remind me that if we blindly heard any of this stuff in a commercial, we'd be wondering if it might be Williams. So I'll just say probably not and keep waiting for a TV spot for the film, a clip, or a featurette. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I'm gonna say not Williams. Just doesn't sound like his work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Not Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 To be Williams or not to be Williams, that is the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I think I'm okay being me. But I would totally be Williams for a day....even with the back pain and pacemaker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 The more I listen to it, the more I feel that it could be williams. We'll have to wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Why on earth would Williams write a theme for goddamn porgs? They are just a distraction and unrelated to the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Not being integral to the plot doesn’t mean they can’t have a theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I mean, at least one of them seems to make it off the island and join the adventure. I could see Williams writing some identifier for them whenever they turn up on the island and then keep using it with Chewie's buddy. It'd probably just be a little motif, though, but it does seem like that one might sort of become its own character. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: Why on earth would Williams write a theme for goddamn porgs? They are just a distraction and unrelated to the plot. he wrote one for Ewoks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Hedwig, Fawkes, buckbeak, the tintin falcon...all have themes-motif-music ideas related to them...why can't the porgs have one? They are birds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 All it took was Rian saying, "it might be fun for the Porgs to have their own little musical identity." It makes lots of sense if they share several scenes with Chewy, because neither of them speak English (thus the music does the talking). Will and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 42 minutes ago, king mark said: he wrote one for Ewoks And Jawas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 The car commercial music was the new bad guy march for TFA. It was decided it was too villainous for the villains, so Williams instead composed a villainous theme for the heroes aka March of the Resistance. The only remaining evidence of the original villain march is the car commercial. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 The Porg music sounds too cartoon-y to be Williams. The orchestration doesn't sound like him but he has surprised me before. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 21 hours ago, crumbs said: JW's regularly shown a flagrant disregard for musical continuity beyond the customary themes. He seems much more invested in creating the most appropriate score for the film itself, regardless of its place in the overarching series it belongs to. Absolutly. I don't think Williams ever truly composes with sequels in mind. That's why looking for hints into further installments in his music is moot. I think the main culprit is Williams' desire to base each score on new thematic material and explore new avenues in terms of sound, whether it be choir, unusual percussion, the occasional synth, electric guitar, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 And also an uncomfortableness to repeat himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Guys, it's time to give up the charade. If this IS from the score, I'll eat my hat. Since I don't have a hat, I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Ultimately, my best guess is that the Porg music is a library cue. The Comic-Con cue really kicks ass, but Mr. Big is right that it sounds more like Arnold than Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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