Josh500 1,615 Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: I've always loved Return to Tatooine and The Tusken Camp and The Homestead. They're all great. I even love the brief, heart-warming quote of Yoda's Theme in Attack of the Clones.... MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Munich Harry Potter And The Prisoner Of Azkaban A.I. Artificial Intelligence Memoirs Of A Geisha War Horse Catch Me If You Can Minority Report The Post The Terminal The Patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Koray Savas said: The Post This score is refreshingly simple and effective. I like it a lot, although it's not in the top ten for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I only know it from the album, and the two or three "source musicy" tracks really kill the album presentation for me. Honestly, as far as The Post is concerned, the end credits track contains good reprises of all the highlights IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 4, 2018 Author Share Posted April 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, mstrox said: I only know it from the album, and the two or three "source musicy" tracks really kill the album presentation for me. Honestly, as far as The Post is concerned, the end credits track contains good reprises of all the highlights IMO. The first track is my favourite, probably because I've listened to it the most often! By the way, anybody notice that melody line in "The Papers" that's almost exactly the same as heard in TLJ? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, mstrox said: I only know it from the album, and the two or three "source musicy" tracks really kill the album presentation for me. Honestly, as far as The Post is concerned, the end credits track contains good reprises of all the highlights IMO. Aw man, I love those two source pieces! They are so much fun! And the album is extremely representative of the entire score. The only extra music on the FYC is all along the same lines as things you hear on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 On 3/4/2018 at 11:36 AM, Josh500 said: It's certainly superior to Revenge of the Sith. For me Revenge of the Sith is superior, if only for The Immolation scene and Anakin's Betrayal. maybe because I like dramatic pieces better generally compared to action pieces (like the ones you quoted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted April 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2018 I do like what everyone else seems to despise. Attack of the Clones is practically my desert island Williams score next to Jane Eyre. Maybe it just hit me at the right time in my life...I had just finished my sophomore year of high school (summer of '02) and was really getting into composing and conducting. I listened to it non-stop. And I think The Book Thief is a gorgeous, delicate score. I remember sitting in the theater watching War Horse and thinking, "man, this might be the last time I hear a new JW score in a theater since he's getting up there in age." What a fool, what a fool. 1. Attack of the Clones 2. Revenge of the Sith 3. The Force Awakens 4. The Book Thief 5. Prisoner of Azkaban 6. Lincoln 7. The Last Jedi 8. War Horse 9. Memoirs of a Geisha 10. Kingdom of the Chrystal Skull Josh500, Not Mr. Big, SteveMc and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,838 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Jay said: Aw man, I love those two source pieces! They are so much fun! yeah, me too. They are the best (well, most interesting if you like) music in that album for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Holy shit, and I thought AotC would be underrated! This thread has proven me wrong. 3 hours ago, Jay said: And the album is extremely representative of the entire score. The only extra music on the FYC is all along the same lines as things you hear on the OST. The OST is complete, isn't it? Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricard 2,245 Posted April 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2018 1. The Last Jedi 2. Memoirs of a Geisha 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. The Book Thief 5. Prisoner of Azkaban 6. Minority Report 7. War Horse 8. Attack of the Clones 9. Chamber of Secrets 10. Munich Taikomochi, crumbs, SteveMc and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The OST is complete, isn't it? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jay said: No. What's missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 There's discussion over in the Post thread, but this should help (look at the time differences too) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQLZ9GK1jqCkwB3L9jVxzvOnCistwVfbC_XDmn7I_qrqh8DEyZ3yYXNynFYD4UiY_zx-XMTlO6_t9iy/pubhtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 15 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Holy shit, and I thought AotC would be underrated! This thread has proven me wrong. Yes, I'm pleasantly surprised. I thought most people here couldn't stand that score.... Apparently, I was wrong, or many have changed their minds. John Williams's Attack of the Clones rocks! The movie, however, is a different kettle of fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 1. Prisoner of Azkaban 2. War Horse 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone 5. A.I. Artificial Intelligence 6. Catch me if you can 7. The Force Awakens 8. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 9. The Terminal 10. Attack of the Clones Josh500 and Darth Porkins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 4 hours ago, SF1_freeze said: 1. Prisoner of Azkaban 2. War Horse 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone 5. A.I. Artificial Intelligence 6. Catch me if you can 7. The Force Awakens 8. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 9. The Terminal 10. Attack of the Clones No love for TLJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 6, 2018 Share Posted April 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Josh500 said: No love for TLJ? You could always criticize someone for omitting one of the 12 scores that cannot be included, since it's only a Top 10. Therefore my Top 22 John Williams scores of this millennium. The Prisoner of Azkaban A.I. - Artificial Intelligence War of the Worlds Munich Minority Report The Philosopher's Stone Lincoln War Horse Attack of the Clones The Chamber of Secrets The Last Jedi Revenge of the Sith Memoirs of a Geisha The Force Awakens The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull The Terminal The Post Catch Me If You Can The Patriot The Book Thief The Adventures of Tintin: Secret of the Unicorn The BFG MAG-SI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted April 6, 2018 Author Share Posted April 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Brundlefly said: You could always criticize someone for omitting one of the 12 scores that cannot be included, since it's only a Top 10. It wasn't a criticism, just an honest question out of curiosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 On 2.4.2018 at 6:52 PM, Smeltington said: [...] including the Children's Suite, which is a unique treasure no other Williams score can boast. Is the complete Children's Suite officially available anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 No, but it's unofficially available EVERYWHERE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Not in a particular order. A.I. Artificial Intelligence Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Memoirs of a Geisha The Adventures of Tintin War Horse Lincoln Rosewood The Force Awakens The Last Jedi The Post Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 32 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Is the complete Children's Suite officially available anywhere? Legally and officially all we have is the chunks JW snuck into the OST album. Unofficially, the recording sessions leaked out 7 years ago including the entire children's suite, so its all over youtube, shrines, download sites, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 As far a I'm concerned, for having listened to it, the "Children's Suite" is an "under" work, a rough drawing, something that should be erased completly from the records. Burn all the scores and all the recordings, honesty. John Williams will never give is approval for it's releasing till he's alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Oh com'on it's basic and barely listenable. It's an exercice in style, it's not good. Flute... flu flu... woodwind... pwett pwettt. It's material for high school harmonies.. and even... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Have you read the title? It's called the CHILDREN'S suite. It was meant to be a suite that could be played for a mainly very young audience everywhere to teach them about the roles the sections of the orchestra could play. Or even be sold for school orchestras to perform. It's material for high school harmonies because that's what it was written to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Jay said: Legally and officially all we have is the chunks JW snuck into the OST album. Unofficially, the recording sessions leaked out 7 years ago including the entire children's suite, so its all over youtube, shrines, download sites, etc. Why did he record it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Brundlefly said: Why did he record it then? The same time the film cues were recorded, with the same musicians, in the same room, with the same recording team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 8 hours ago, Holko said: Have you read the title? It's called the CHILDREN'S suite. It was meant to be a suite that could be played for a mainly very young audience everywhere to teach them about the roles the sections of the orchestra could play. Or even be sold for school orchestras to perform. It's material for high school harmonies because that's what it was written to be. Today's kids would'nt even want to play that! It's so bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 8 hours ago, Jay said: The same time the film cues were recorded, with the same musicians, in the same room, with the same recording team. This is an answer to "When", "Who", "Where" and again "Who", but not "Why"! 8 hours ago, Bespin said: Today's kids would'nt even want to play that! It's so bad! What's happened to you, Bespin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 I once was a clarinet player in school, we once play Michael Jackson and George Harrison songs.... Wow! Children's suite from Harry Potter. Yawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Brundlefly said: This is an answer to "When", "Who", "Where" and again "Who", but not "Why"! Oh lol, I misread your post! AFAIK he recorded it intending it to be released for sale, but then it just never came to be so he tucked some pieces from it onto the OST. All the sheet music for the children's suite was published and recorded by orchestras around the world, so having the recording out would have helped them (as well as children learning how to play) out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay said: AFAIK he recorded it intending it to be released for sale, but then it just never came to be so he tucked some pieces from it onto the OST. What a shame! So the complete suite is still nowhere (legally) available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 As he originally recorded in 2001, no, sadly. Even what's on the OST is just fragments, not the full cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: What a shame! So the complete suite is still nowhere (legally) available? Right. But you can just play it on youtube or download the session leak, its not like its some massive secret Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 The children's suite will lie in the chamber forever!!!! Not Mr. Big and Bespin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I'm sorry to be ignorant, but...can some kind JWfaners please enlighten me as to this CHILDREN'S SUITE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Quote "When I wrote the full orchestral score for Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, I hadn't planned to write the eight miniatures presented here. The film's score did not require them, and our production schedule, usually very difficult in the film world, made no provision for their arrival. However, if I can be permitted to put it a bit colorfully, each piece seemed to insist on being "hatched" out of the larger body of the full score. I began writing Hedwig's little piece, and each of the others followed quickly as they seemed to arrive all clamoring for their individual identities. I selected a combination of instruments that suited each theme, and this suite of pieces is the result. Hedwig, the beautiful owl who magically and mysteriously delivers mail to Harry Potter at Hogwarts School, is musically portrayed in the first miniature by the celesta, a luminous little instrument which is capable of producing pearly, crystalline tones at dazzling speeds. The celesta begins its flight alone, but quickly is joined by the violins, possibly the only other instrument capable of attaining the dizzying pace needed to defy gravity and achieve flight. Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, that august institution that has trained and taught young wizards for centuries, is probably best described by the french horn section of the orchestra. No other instrument seems so perfectly suited to capturing the scholarly atmosphere of Hogwarts than the noble and stately french horn. In the third miniature we meet Harry Potter's arch enemy, the evil Lord Voldemort, who is portrayed here by a trio of bassoons sounding their mysteriously deep and sonorous tones. The Nimbus 2000 is Harry Potter's own personal broomstick. To musically depict this ingenious mode of transportation we have the woodwind section, with its flutes, oboes, clarinets, and bassoons, all capable of extraordinary leaps and astonishing agility, forming a perfect match for the nimble Nimbus 2000. On the third floor of Hogwarts School we find Fluffy, the huge three-headed guard dog. Fluffy is a music lover who can only be made to fall asleep to the sound of music. Here the contra bassoon represents the snoozing Fluffy, while his music is provided by the beautiful...and in this case...soporific harp. In the Harry Potter books, Quidditch is a form of intramural competition that's played on flying broomsticks. The games are conducted every year at the Hogwarts School with great pageantry, featuring colorful flags and cheering crowds. In the sixth miniature, the pomp and ceremony of these Quidditch games is best represented by the blazing brass section of the orchestra, with its tuba, french horns, trombones, and heraldic trumpets. In the seventh miniature, "Family Portrait," the clarinet introduces the themes that relate to the disparate parts of Harry Potter's emotional life, and here it is accompanied by the cello section of the orchestra, which produces a wonderfully warm and beautiful sound. Diagon Alley is a sort of shopping mall of the wizard world. Along with the wondrous things to be seen in the Alley, we're also transported by the sounds of antique recorders, hand drums, and percussion instruments of all kinds. There is even an elaborate solo part for the violin, cast in the role of the witch's fiddle. With all of the miniatures presented, the suite concludes with the entire orchestra as it explores many of the themes heard throughout "Harry's Wondrous World." My fondest hope is that instrumentalists and listeners alike might share in some of the joy that I have felt in writing music for this delightful story." John Williams http://www.boosey.com/shop/prod/Williams-John-Harry-Potter-Children-s-Suite-For-Orchestra/2068158 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/18922-harry-potter-childrens-suite/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Richard, you want to ear it? Be clear!!!... pv... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Williams certainly doesn’t think of the Children’s Suite as a rough sketch. He played the “Nimbus 2000” arrangement in Cleveland just 2 weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1. A.I. 2. Revenge of the Sith 3. Minority Report 4. Catch Me if You Can 5. Memoirs of a Geisha 6. Munich 7. Lincoln 8. Philosopher's Stone 9. Attack of the Clones 10. The Patriot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 There is the Children's Suite (an exercice in style, perhaps dedicated to teaching, but I don't think it really caught attention) : Hedwig's Flight Hogwarts Forever Voldemort Nimbus 2000 Fluffy's harp Quidditch Family Portrait Diagon alley Wondrous World And The Suite for Orchestra (which contains the more interresting parts inspired by the previous draft suite). Hedwig's Theme The Sorcererer's Stone Nimbus 2000 Harry's Wondrous World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Well, the arrangement was identical to that of the original suite. It wasn’t broadened for orchestra. It was the same set of a small group of woodwinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marcus 390 Posted April 20, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2018 The Harry Potter Children's Suite is essentially Williams' take on a kind of "young person's guide to the orchestra". It is as masterful as it is colorful, and is about as far removed from a "sketch" as you can get. On the contrary, it represents ways of developing the musical material even further, all the while exploring the orchestra in delightful detail. Taikomochi, Holko, Smaug The Iron and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Solo: A Star Wars Story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Richard said: I'm sorry to be ignorant, but...can some kind JWfaners please enlighten me as to this CHILDREN'S SUITE? I add this to Jay's post Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,441 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Holy crap, I never saw that video... time to download! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 10 hours ago, Bespin said: Richard, you want to ear it? Be clear!!!... pv... Thanks for the PM, Bes. I'll listen to it asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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