#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 It is a method of film music preservation! Gruesome Son of a Bitch and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2018 I remember being very disappointed when the track labelled 'Entry into the Great Hall' didn't contain the music for entering the great hall... I mean, there's microediting then there's that Was that a mistitling or did JW at one point include the entrance music? 54 minutes ago, Jay said: That is score by Williams that is heard in the film, so yes it's in the set. If something in the sessions differs from the films and isn't tracking, is the focus of the set on final revised film versions? (disregarding any mixing or tracking issues) 12 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I find it disrespectful towards the composer to support bootlegs. Sometimes composers make album decisions that are too bizarre to let pass. Actually, surely it's the opposite... liking and respecting a composer's work so much that we want the whole thing? bollemanneke, crlbrg, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: @redishere great avatar! Classic Spielberg! Thanks a bunch! I previously had a Stravinsky mugshot but I found it a little bit menacing - so I decided to go full menacing with the good ol’ Rexy stomps 😂 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I find it disrespectful towards the composer to support bootlegs. I won’t lie: I have listened to the recording sessions and I actually found them educational and really interesting, especially the multiple takes of some cues. But there’s no way I won’t support JW, MM and LLL knowing there’s an approved and restored release coming. This set is pure gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Support in what way? If you don't pay for it, I don't see how wanting to hear more of his music is disrespectful and if an official release doesn't come out for decades, that's not your fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Another question: Why does the press release say that HP1's tapes were newly trasferred? Why not those of 2 and 3? Will 2 and 3 sound worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Holko said: Support in what way? If you don't pay for it, I don't see how wanting to hear more of his music is disrespectful and if an official release doesn't come out for decades, that's not your fault. When I found out about the recording sessions, I’d been waiting to listen to the unreleased cues for almost 20 years, so I checked them out. Couldn’t resist. Now that this official release is coming, I’m gonna pay for it ‘cause it’s awesome! Holko and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Another question: Why does the press release say that HP1's tapes were newly trasferred? Why not those of 2 and 3? Will 2 and 3 sound worse? Possibly those were only recorded digitally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Another question: Why does the press release say that HP1's tapes were newly trasferred? Why not those of 2 and 3? Will 2 and 3 sound worse? Maybe they weren’t recorded on tape? No idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 0:58 seems long for "Hagrid's Flute", doesn't it? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 And another one: I've been trying to figure out the Wizards Consort unsuccesfully. I think it needs to contain the shawm, Leaky Cauldron violin, that flute playing over the childish pet discussion, and the pub music in Hogsmeade. But, where are the two Sir Cadogan cues? Because the album version of Hagrid the Professor opens with a sped-up, alternate version of that cue... Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 A track has Cadogan in the title. crumbs and redishere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Yes, but that can only be one version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 The other one is somewhere else? The album version plays before the Firebolt, so it could be the end of Lupin leaving or in front of the credits cue. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: Yes, but that can only be one version. Based on Jay’s words, I’d assume it’s the film version then (can’t remember if it’s sped up or not) I’m not that familiar with the Cadogan cues though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Well, there are two. One is what I call the film version, plays when these ghosts on horses smash windows or something after the Hippogriff lesson. The album version plays right before Harry gets the Firebolt and has a few different notes too. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Well, there are two. One is what I call the film version, plays when these ghosts on horses smash windows or something after the Hippogriff lesson. The album version plays right before Harry gets the Firebolt and has a few different notes too. Could the latter be in the Firebolt track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Cadogan appearances in the cue list: 3mCA Riding the Hippogriff (Buckbeak's Flight)3m5-5A Bonding with Hippogriff and Sir Cadogan Again (the slower version with additional percussion, doesn't seem to be here in the new edition) 3m5B Kids Inspect Newspaper etc (The Grim / The Newspaper - first half of which is probably 2m10 You Have the Grim) 3m12 Revised The Great Hall Ceiling (The Big Doors and the Great Hall Ceiling)3m13 Sir Cadogan (for Dufay Ensemble & Percussion) (the deleted scene I guess, probably the faster (album) version, this cue is not here in the new edition, doesn't fit into either neighbour)4m2 Quidditch 2004 (Page 394 and Quidditch, Third Year) I have no idea what The Courtyard and Sir Cadogan is in the tracklist, but "Sir Cadogan Again" could mean there's an earlier cue that doesn't have it in the name, or just that it was written later. Courtyard and Cadogan is placed between these: 2m9+10 Rainy Nights, Dementors, and Birds (same name)2m10 You Have the Grim (not here in the tracklist, probably placed later in The Grim / The Newspaper)3m1+2 Double Trouble on the Hill (The Hippogriff Lesson? aka Hagrid the Professor) So: The Courtyard and Sir Cadogan may be 3m5-5A Bonding with Hippogriff and Sir Cadogan Again, the slow film rendition placed earlier, replacing 2m10 You Have the Grim which was moved to later in its place. No idea where 3m12 Sir Cadogan (faster version) is, but I don't know how long Lupin's Departure is, that's probably where I'd put it since it was moved there in the film. crumbs and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: I remember being very disappointed when the track labelled 'Entry into the Great Hall' didn't contain the music for entering the great hall... I mean, there's microediting then there's that Was that a mistitling or did JW at one point include the entrance music? Maybe the album was JW's original intention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Original intention for what though? The track just has the feast music. Either JW thought 'Entry into the Great Hall' was just a cool name which fit his precious 'ABC and EFG' pattern, or something changed and the names weren't updated. It simply doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2018 It's just a track title for Christ's sake. TSMefford, bollemanneke, crumbs and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Mark 3,631 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I forgot the original sessions for HPSS has silences and people talking before cues now i remember editing all out this and raising the volume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 It has superior dynamic range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, Holko said: Cadogan appearances in the cue list: 3mCA Riding the Hippogriff (Buckbeak's Flight)3m5-5A Bonding with Hippogriff and Sir Cadogan Again (the slower version with additional percussion, doesn't seem to be here in the new edition) 3m5B Kids Inspect Newspaper etc (The Grim / The Newspaper - first half of which is probably 2m10 You Have the Grim) 3m12 Revised The Great Hall Ceiling (The Big Doors and the Great Hall Ceiling)3m13 Sir Cadogan (for Dufay Ensemble & Percussion) (the deleted scene I guess, probably the faster (album) version, this cue is not here in the new edition, doesn't fit into either neighbour)4m2 Quidditch 2004 (Page 394 and Quidditch, Third Year) I have no idea what The Courtyard and Sir Cadogan is in the tracklist, but "Sir Cadogan Again" could mean there's an earlier cue that doesn't have it in the name, or just that it was written later. Courtyard and Cadogan is placed between these: 2m9+10 Rainy Nights, Dementors, and Birds (same name)2m10 You Have the Grim (not here in the tracklist, probably placed later in The Grim / The Newspaper)3m1+2 Double Trouble on the Hill (The Hippogriff Lesson? aka Hagrid the Professor) So: The Courtyard and Sir Cadogan may be 3m5-5A Bonding with Hippogriff and Sir Cadogan Again, the slow film rendition placed earlier, replacing 2m10 You Have the Grim which was moved to later in its place. No idea where 3m12 Sir Cadogan (faster version) is, but I don't know how long Lupin's Departure is, that's probably where I'd put it since it was moved there in the film. Could some of this Dufay Collective Cadogan stuff appear on the The Wizards’ Consort source music track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Its uncompressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, Incanus said: Could some of this Dufay Collective Cadogan stuff appear on the The Wizards’ Consort source music track? Good question, somebody should tally up all the source music and see if the Dufay Cadogan fits in that track. Lupin's Departure + the album Cadogan play for about 40-50 collective seconds in the film, so D7/07 could house it and possibly 7m7 Ext. Whomping Willow, too - except if 7m9 Lupin's Departure was longer and got snipped down in the film. Or we just wait a few days, since we know it's in there somewhere and that's what matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted November 25, 2018 Author Share Posted November 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Maybe the album was JW's original intention? Nah. It's the music for the Banquet. He just gave it a goofy album title. He does this all the time. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 In less than a week from now some Americans will have the set... I'll be poised ready to order the second their site is online. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I will write me a note on my desk for tomorrow morning 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I just looked up my e-mails from the JP order. My confirmation came through at 8.20pm on November 29th and I got the 'employeeXX has sent you a package' 3 days later. And I was pretty quick off the mark ordering. I suspect this is going to take them some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 I remember a title where I was trying to order but it would fail at the last step AFTER logging into Paypal so I got confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Plus this time I'm buying two releases (I'll get TWINE too). Too many clicks involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustBlade14 0 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 Might be a dumb question because I'm not too familiar with the way these sets are typically released but is this also going to be released digitally? I usually just stick to buying music on iTunes because I almost always listen on one of my devices. If not, I'm really REALLY considering buying this set! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, DustBlade14 said: Might be a dumb question because I'm not too familiar with the way these sets are typically released but is this also going to be released digitally? I usually just stick to buying music on iTunes because I almost always listen on one of my devices. If not, I'm really REALLY considering buying this set! It won't be released digitally. Physical only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 55 minutes ago, Alan said: It won't be released digitally. While it probably won't happen, it technically could be released by WaterTower digitally IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DustBlade14 0 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 4 minutes ago, Faleel J.M. said: While it probably won't happen, it technically could be released by WaterTower digitally IIRC. I'm wondering the same... Do you think we'll get more info on tuesday when its available to order? I know nothing about these fancy premium releases haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 It'll be available to order at midday PT on Tuesday at https://lalalandrecords.com/. And their site will go down for several minutes before then (deliberately) so they can prepare for the onslaught of orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2018 With all this talk of Harry Potter and the hopefulness of Indiana Jones in the coming years, it dawned upon me that you could easily merge many of the HP movie titles with the Indiana Jones name and they would sound legitimate. Par exemple: Indiana Jones and the Philosopher's Stone Join Indy as he uncovers the secret of the long lost "stone of power"! Indiana Jones and the Chamber of Secrets You thought the Temple of Doom was scary? Don't enter the Chamber of Secrets! Indiana Jones and the Goblet of Fire Step aside Cup of Christ, the Goblet of Fire takes the stage in the all new Indy adventure. Just to name a few. That_Bloke, Incanus, A. A. Ron and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,378 Posted November 25, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2018 40 minutes ago, DustBlade14 said: Might be a dumb question because I'm not too familiar with the way these sets are typically released but is this also going to be released digitally? I usually just stick to buying music on iTunes because I almost always listen on one of my devices. If not, I'm really REALLY considering buying this set! It's a physical-only set. The short version of why is because Warner Brothers Records own the rights to sell music from this score, but Warner Brothers Pictures owns the rights to all the music recorded that wasn't on the OSTs, so a third party (La-La Land Records in this case) needs to come along and license the music from both parties to make a release like this happen, and the only license they are given is for a physical set, limited to a certain number of copies. You can hear Mike explain this much better than I ever can on this great episode of this Jurassic Park podcast here, and I think there's some more about it in this interview I did with him. 29 minutes ago, Faleel J.M. said: While it probably won't happen, it technically could be released by WaterTower digitally IIRC. Nope, that's not correct. As explained above, because the license to sell this music is owned by Warner Brothers Records, Water Tower Records (which is the music label of Warner Brothers Pictures) cannot release anything on their own. This is not only the case for these three scores, but for Potters 4-5 as well. Interesting by 6, WB Pictures was releasing the OSTs on their own labels, so they could create their own expanded scores for 6-8 and sell them digitally if they wanted to all by themselves with no specialty label needed. This is a similar situation to the original six Star Wars scores, where Disney now owns all the music rights to all six, and can do their own expanded releases on their own and sell them digitally without a specialty label as well. 5 hours ago, TSMefford said: Was it ever discussed to include the asterisk method of detailing what was Previously Unreleased and what not. I can imagine there’s so much material that it would’ve just been ugly, but thought I’d ask anyways. I occasionally enjoy that stuff. That's an interesting question that I don't actually know the answer to! TSMefford, crumbs, Alan and 7 others 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 7 hours ago, Jay said: That is score by Williams that is heard in the film, so yes it's in the set. Perfecto, thanks for confirming Jay I'll stop bugging you with questions now haha 7 hours ago, Jay said: Any track that has identical contents to an OST track had to use the OST name . Interesting insight, thanks for sharing! I guess that narrows down the contents of some additional music tracks for Azkaban (plus a handful of the film score tracks). I'm so damn excited to order this!! What a joyous release. Congrats again on all your hard work helping make this set a reality. redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted November 25, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2018 A part of me just realized how genius the title "Trouble Takes Many Forms" from PoA is. That track probably also includes Double Trouble, so not only does it reference Dumbledore's Speech...but the fact that Double Trouble appears in multiple forms? bollemanneke, Once, Molly Weasley and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 I'll either need to buy a bigger micro SD card or delete other albums to listen to this.🤔😥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Anyone noticed how in CoS the ending of The Dueling Club (starting at 3:03 in the OST track) looks like a variation of Goat Bait from JP? Love that eerie string texture. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, TSMefford said: A part of me just realized how genius the title "Trouble Takes Many Forms" from PoA is. That track probably also includes Double Trouble, so not only does it reference Dumbledore's Speech...but the fact that Double Trouble appears in multiple forms? I'm guessing that track is a combination of two cues, Dumbledore's Warning and Entering the Rooms, both of which feature wonderful renditions of the Double Trouble theme, so it's indeed a very clever title. I doubt this track includes the song, which seems to be the previous track (and the same as the OST track, given the same track title). TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just now, crumbs said: I'm guessing that track is a combination of two cues, Dumbledore's Warning and Entering the Rooms, both of which feature wonderful renditions of the Double Trouble theme, so it's indeed a very clever title. I doubt this track includes the song, which seems to be the previous track (and the same as the OST track, given the same track title). Precisely. Maybe Something Wicked Intro is hidden here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Yeah that's what I'm starting to think. Something Wicked Intro into Dumbledore's Warning into Entering the Rooms. I think that aligns with the track duration and they're three complimentary cues that would work well as one track, all three featuring renditions of the theme (hence the clever title). It's chronological too, in the cue list. 2M5 - Something Wicked Intro (0:55) 2M6 - Dumbledore's Warning (0:42) 2M8 - Double Trouble March (Entering the Rooms) (0:13) EDIT: Added track times from this excellent analysis. Based on the track duration in the LLL set (1:52) maybe this track includes the Intro and the film version of Double Trouble, followed by the next two cues, which would be perfect! Once and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 7 hours ago, Jay said: Nah. It's the music for the Banquet. He just gave it a goofy album title. He does this all the time. So atleast this cue represents original intention vs film version. This is the Diagon Alley music on album. And this is the film scene which somehow played the Great Hall music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,378 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2018 The OST album track called "Entry Into The Great Hall And The Banquet" only contains 4M1 The Banquet. That album name had to be retained on the new set. The actual cue for them entering into the hall first is 3M5 Entry Into The Great Hall and was unreleased until this set, where it's called "Through The Doors". Of course, the Sorting Hat scene (3M6 House Selection) occurs between them entering the Great Hall and when they eat, and that's "House Selection" on the new set. The Diagon Alley scene was originally scored by William in the beginning of a long cue called 2M4 Diagon Alley which also contains the entire Gringotts scene as well. In the final film, Columbus dropped what Williams wrote for the alley sequence and tracked in a portion of 3M5 Entry Into The Great Hall in its place. Williams clearly liked what he originally wrote though; Not only doe the session leak include many takes of them trying to get the violin solo just right, but also he decided to make a concert arrangement of the alley music for the Children's Suite.... and when assembling the album, made sure to include the Children's Suite recording of the alley music in the "Diagon Alley And The Gringott’s Vault" album track (which continues on with the Gringotts portion of 2M4 Diagon Alley after the Suite recording). Bayesian, crumbs, A. A. Ron and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 54 minutes ago, Jay said: The OST album track called "Entry Into The Great Hall And The Banquet" only contains 4M1 The Banquet. That album name had to be retained on the new set. The actual cue for them entering into the hall first is 3M5 Entry Into The Great Hall and was unreleased until this set, where it's called "Through The Doors". Of course, the Sorting Hat scene (3M6 House Selection) occurs between them entering the Great Hall and when they eat, and that's "House Selection" on the new set. The Diagon Alley scene was originally scored by William in the beginning of a long cue called 2M4 Diagon Alley which also contains the entire Gringotts scene as well. In the final film, Columbus dropped what Williams wrote for the part in the alley, tracking in a portion of 3M5 Entry Into The Great Hall in its place. Williams clearly liked what he originally wrote though; Not only doe the session leak include many takes of them trying to get the violin solo just right, but also he decided to make a concert arrangement of the alley music for the Children's Suite.... and when assembling the album, made sure to include the Children's Suite recording of the alley music in the "Diagon Alley And The Gringott’s Vault" album track (which continues on with the Gringotts portion of 2M4 Diagon Alley after the Suite recording). Thanks that clears it up. Does the actual Diagon Alley music appear in the film at all though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 1 minute ago, TheUlyssesian said: Does the actual Diagon Alley music appear in the film at all though? IIRC the first few minutes show up before the rest was replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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