crumbs 14,317 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Oh that's cool! So JW's sketches must have been scanned and sent to orchestrators in digital form back in the early 2000s, passing through any number of hands. Not hard to imagine how something like that can leak. I understand his modern process involves those handwritten sheets being sent directly to the music preparation team, who extrapolate the full orchestral score themselves (as his orchestrations are so detailed, they don't need a third party to fill any blanks). I wonder if that makes it more or less likely for sheet music leaks of, say, the Star Wars sequel trilogy? bollemanneke and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2019 On 12/12/2018 at 7:39 PM, Once said: Is it this one? Jesus Christ! I just listened to this for the first time, what an ending! Molly Weasley, Once and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted May 8, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2019 Yea the concert ending is really fun and it's too bad it was never recorded at the HPSS or HPCOS sessions bollemanneke, Molly Weasley, Pieter Boelen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Or re-recorded, for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Well, it has to be recorded before it can be re-recorded. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted May 8, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 8, 2019 Hope JW realises how selfish he’s being when he rewrites stuff and doesn’t immediately sprint to the Newman Scoring Stage to record them! Bayesian, crumbs and bollemanneke 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I find it more disturbing that orchestras just refuse to record these suites. Meanwhile, the seemingly endless and pointless deluge of re-recordings of the Brandenburg Concertos and the Night Music continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 It's just cheaper to record public domain works, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Wait, really? Do they have to pay to record JW sheet music? Ah... is THAT why Prague insists on working with hopeless arrangements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 They'll have to pay for that as well. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 So, I was randomly looking through the cue list and got stuck again on these: 7m2 My Dad Conjured the Patronus7m2A String Overlay From the leaked sheets, do we have any clue what the string overlay is? Which ending to Lupin's Transformation is the original and revised one, was the original recorded in one piece with the rest? How come the flute overlay is not mentioned? Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I've listened to the additional tracks of the first movie today, they are GREAT! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 The string overlay is a rising figure (compare it to the effect you hear just before the Close Encounters title appears on the screen) that accompanies the pizzicato strings that were supposed to underscore Harry and Hermione fleeing from the werewolf. Does that help? Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Holko said: So, I was randomly looking through the cue list and got stuck again on these: 7m2 My Dad Conjured the Patronus7m2A String Overlay From the leaked sheets, do we have any clue what the string overlay is? Which ending to Lupin's Transformation is the original and revised one, was the original recorded in one piece with the rest? How come the flute overlay is not mentioned? The string overlay has never been heard. It's just a bunch of high, dissonant chords. I think it must have been for the original ending, which is the quiet version with the pizzicato strings. The loud ending with the low brass and percussion was recorded separately. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Thanks, these were very helpful! 37 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: The string overlay is a rising figure (compare it to the effect you hear just before the Close Encounters title appears on the screen) that accompanies the pizzicato strings that were supposed to underscore Harry and Hermione fleeing from the werewolf. Does that help? 35 minutes ago, Datameister said: The string overlay has never been heard. It's just a bunch of high, dissonant chords. I think it must have been for the original ending, which is the quiet version with the pizzicato strings. The loud ending with the low brass and percussion was recorded separately. Could I ask for just a bit more similar further assistance? Short descriptions about these pieces will satisfy my curiosity. 3mE The Great Hall Ceiling - I assume what we have is 3m12 Revised. 4m3+4 Enter Winter - I assume what we have is 4m3+4 new Woods Walk and Birds Flight 7m7 Ext. Whomping Willow - I assume what we have is 7m7 Rev. Whomping Willow Revisited. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Great Hall Ceiling: replaces the oboe outro with a Hedwig's theme statement (beginning) that closes the cue. Enter Winter: a themeles, rather aimless piece of music that doesn't capture the scene at all and leads into the revised cue after the Hedwig's Theme/Past Theme are over. Whomping Willow: rather nice cue, reminds of Hedwig's Theme but isn't, a little more magical and optimistic than its revised version. Once and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 10:27 AM, Jay said: Hmm, I'll have to ask Mike about this bit then. Hey @Jay, just wondering if you ever got a chance to ask Mike about that little segment? It was in reference to the Double Trouble March section of Trouble Takes Many Forms sounding like two slightly different takes of the same cue back to back (as the film itself only uses half the cue as it appears on the LLL, and doesn't appear to have room for anything more -- unless something was deleted after Williams scored it). Cheers! Holko and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 One of the DVD games contains this cue and there they use the 'two versions' on the set back to back as well, so the film version is probably an edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: One of the DVD games contains this cue and there they use the 'two versions' on the set back to back as well, so the film version is probably an edit. Interesting, so maybe it started earlier in the film -- before they actually enter the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 I don't really tink so because then it would have played over the fat lady wailing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 If you line it up, the final notes line up with Neville catching and taking the candy. Feels weird to have Seamus's monkey business scored, then nothing for the rest. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 It would be more interesting to ask Mike why we don't have a clean opening for that track... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Maybe the shot went beyond the ghost part? Then they cut it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,044 Posted May 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2019 Well, the other thing to consider is that the sheet music doesn't call for the repeat. It just plays through once, and it's the version with the extra ornamentation. (Personally, I prefer the simpler version, though.) crumbs, bollemanneke and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 So it could be as simple as Williams looping it from the podium, just to give the filmmakers more options? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 This is the violin solo of Hedwig's theme arranged by Williams that Anne-Sophie Mutter recorded. I hope they have other selections from Harry Potter lined up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Wrong thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 A bit late to the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Finally started listening to this set. I'm not a big fan of these micro tracks 50 seconds 45 seconds it's really off-putting. The music works better in large pieces TSMefford, Pieter Boelen and 1977 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 I agree to a certain extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted May 12, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 12, 2019 The Double Trouble March was recorded like that, two similar versions back to back. I have no idea why, nor if it was timed to screen footage that later changed, or not. TSMefford, Once, bollemanneke and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 I'm fairly certain it's two slightly different versions for the same part. Williams's no John Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Could anyone tell me whether the cue Sir Cadogan's first appearance in the movie (so when the ghosts ride into the Great Hall) can be considered source music, or is the orchestra unseen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 The orchestra is unseen: in both instances, a couple of ghosts on horseback break through the window of the Entrance Hall (only in ghost form, the actual real window doesn't break), and run into the Great Hall, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 On 5/12/2019 at 11:03 PM, JoeinAR said: Finally started listening to this set. I'm not a big fan of these micro tracks 50 seconds 45 seconds it's really off-putting. The music works better in large pieces Completely agree. The stop-start nature of these bitty pieces really spoils any potential listening enjoyment. I'd much prefer some editing to combine into longer tracks but then everyone would cry foul. It's great to have all the unreleased music though so I'm not complaining, and we still have the OST album presentations. I suppose it's the nature of the beast these days, films get edited up to the last minute and composers need to keep revising things. It does often preclude longer music cues that flow more naturally though which is a pity. Seems Potter has some of the shortest cues that Williams has composed in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Yeah, I'm currently making my own HP3 edit, completely chronological but much longer tracks to make it more comfortable to listen to. 1977 and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Would like to see your cue list when it's complete. Will you be omitting anything, that is? Will you use crossfades? I'm assuming you'll be ignoring any alternates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Philosopher's Stone has 4 tracks under 1 minute, 3 close to it from the 45 track main program. Average track length is 3 minutes. Chamber has 4 tracks under 1 minute and 1 close to it from the 47 track main program. Average track length is 2.9 minutes. Azkaban has 2 tracks under 1 minute and 5 close to it from the 41 track main program. Average track length is 2.6 minutes. Unacceptably and unbearably fragmented, I agree. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 I'll try and remember to post it when it's done. A lot of MM's tracks, like Summoning the Patronus, really work very well for me, but I'm totally against unchronological combinations and I think every track ending should sound like one, so that means The Newspaper and the film version of the first Boggart is one track, hardly cross-faded but definitely one cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Holko said: Philosopher's Stone has 4 tracks under 1 minute, 3 close to it from the 45 track main program. Chamber has 4 tracks under 1 minute and 1 close to it from the 47 track main program. Azkaban has 2 tracks under 1 minute and 5 close to it from the 41 track main program. Unacceptably and unbearably fragmented, I agree. Thanks for the sarcastic reply. This is typical message board behaviour. Can you not accept that some people may have views that differ from your own? FYI, I dont like tracks under 2 minutes so your stats don't apply to my preferences. However, I'm sure my view will not in any way hamper your enjoyment of short cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Do you sit there watching the seconds tick and get irritated if it's 1:50? Or are you looking for a satisfying amount of exploration and elaboration for the specific idea/motif/scene that is the subject of the track? Molly Weasley and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1977 1,743 Posted May 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2019 I listen to the music and find it limits my enjoyment if it ends too quickly. I don't approach the music from the same cerebral angle that you do (which I have no problem with, by the way). However if a short cue serves the film, that is all that matters, that is after all its sole purpose. bollemanneke, Docteur Qui and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 I guess I just see the silence between them as rests.. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 The first two scores are very theatrical, you can literally listen start to finish and hear the story unfold. PoA, for all its brilliance, doesn’t have that unfortunately. But in the film it’s a knockout. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 couldn't agree more. HP1 and 2 might have short tracks, but the scores just work incredibly well the way they're written. It's very dififcult to present 3 in the same way. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 13 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: The stop-start nature of these bitty pieces really spoils any potential listening enjoyment. I'd much prefer some editing to combine into longer tracks but then everyone would cry foul. I wouldn't. I wonder how many people would. Perhaps it's just a vocal minority? Personally, I don't quite comprehend why music fans would be opposed to changes that improve the listening experience. On 5/8/2019 at 7:47 PM, Jay said: Yea the concert ending is really fun and it's too bad it was never recorded at the HPSS or HPCOS sessions Wow, that's cool! Didn't even know that existed. What (re-)recordings exist of the Children's Suite? I'd be quite interested in a set of as-alternate-as-possible versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 The City of Prague re-recorded Hedwig's Theme, Harry's Wondrous World and Nimbus 2000. Stay away from Hedwig's Theme. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: The first two scores are very theatrical, you can literally listen start to finish and hear the story unfold. Indeed. The only two big assembly problems I have with those two is not joining Aragog and Spiders Attack (the former ends in a crescendo seemingly very much intended to transition directly into the latter, leaving seconds of silence makes it awkward and takes the energy out) and the recreation of Neville Stiffens at the time when you just want to get into the action finale, instead of putting Troll in the Dungeon as an intro to the Troll track and It's Guarding Something as a finale to Moving Stairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Holko said: Indeed. The only two big assembly problems I have with those two is not joining Aragog and Spiders Attack (the former ends in a crescendo seemingly very much intended to transition directly into the latter, leaving seconds of silence makes it awkward and takes the energy out) I wonder if @Jay could comment on this - was it an oversight not to join these two tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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