jwb1 1 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Maybe you will be as surprised as I was. Listen to the whole thing. The full version of The End of Hook and in amazing sound!LINK REMOVED BY THE MODERATOR Quote 07 - You may embed videos of - or include a link to sites that stream - copyrighted material. However, links to sites where copyrighted material can be illegally downloaded are not allowed. You may link to legal streaming/download sites or to places where people can listen to your own compositions or recordings, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 It is forbidden! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 Yeah yeah, I'm not sharing the whole score here obviously. And I own both the original Hook and La La releases and would gladly buy it again if this was there! I'm just honestly curious if any experts know about it the missing music here! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 What did you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2019 Nothing, I stirred the tanks. Bayesian, ScorePhile, Henry Sítrónu and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2019 It's reading a quadruple failure. That can't happen! It's gotta be instrumentation. ScorePhile, Trent B and Bayesian 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,715 Posted March 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2019 Alas no matter how awesome the actual full version of the End of Hook is (IT IS!), you can't post download link here to copyrighted material. I really wish that some day Mike Matessino can hunt down all the tapes for Hook for the definitive presentation of the score and release it in its full glory. Neverfeast, Ultimate War etc. in full form and inserts added and the complete 15 minute Remembering Childhood presented full and in sequence. Mattris, bollemanneke and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted March 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 hours ago, SteveMc said: It is forbidden! It is forbidden for you to interfere with copyrighted material! All those things I can do. All those powers I have, and I couldn't even provide a link. Chewy, Ollie and ScorePhile 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 It's just beyond belief that the LLL doesn't contain that music just because the source would have to a bloody, ruddy, cursed, damned BOOTLEG! Get over it already and include it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 aren't some ways that are allowed like You Tube or certain cloud drives? Some links aren't removed when people share stuff but it's not clear to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 It's okay if the gods at YouTube approve of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 This thread gave me a heart attack! I thought it was confirmation from LLL that Hook wasn't one of their two Sony titles that escaped the third party licensing ban. I still hold out (an increasing slim) hope that Mike already discovered the tapes and was in production of a fixed version of this score before Sony made their decision. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Same here for both paragraphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Incanus said: Alas no matter how awesome the actual full version of the End of Hook is (IT IS!), you can't post download link here to copyrighted material. I really wish that some day Mike Matessino can hunt down all the tapes for Hook for the definitive presentation of the score and release it in its full glory. Neverfeast, Ultimate War etc. in full form and inserts added and the complete 15 minute Remembering Childhood presented full and in sequence. As long as they leave Banning Back Home out of the main presentation of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, King Mark said: aren't some ways that are allowed like You Tube or certain cloud drives? Some links aren't removed when people share stuff but it's not clear to me You can't download from YouTube (at least without knowing how) and I think that's a crucial factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 If that was the reason, it wouldn't really make sense because downloading from YouTube isn't rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,690 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 It's not, but you can't do it out of the box. Same goes with places like Soundcloud - it's doable but no via a big 'download' button. Essentially, all the downloading 'techniques' are the biggest elephant in the room when it comes to streaming sites. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, crumbs said: This thread gave me a heart attack! I thought it was confirmation from LLL that Hook wasn't one of their two Sony titles that escaped the third party licensing ban. I still hold out (an increasing slim) hope that Mike already discovered the tapes and was in production of a fixed version of this score before Sony made their decision. Or isn't it convenient that a new source is leaked out? Maybe because they knew this was the only way. What I have, I'm not sure if what others have, has everything missing and sounds better than the LLL release. Labels have used iffy sources mixed with legit sources. Look at Intrada. Hocus Pocus had the Parker song there which you could tell was heavily edited and adjusted but was basically from a mixed source track as you can hear sound effects low in the background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 25 minutes ago, jwb1 said: Or isn't it convenient that a new source is leaked out? Maybe because they knew this was the only way. What I have, I'm not sure if what others have, has everything missing and sounds better than the LLL release. I have no idea exactly what you have but I doubt it's anything more than the bootleg which was already floating around in 2012 and had all the music which LLL had to resort to film stems for. There was a lingering question about some music from Farewell Neverland used in a recent podcast (can't remember which one) which sounded vastly superior to the LLL 2012 version of the same track. It's unclear where that was sourced from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 unless it's leaked in lossless now? The 2012 boot was 320kbps .Still sounded fantastic but I'd rather have a true lossess version of it 38 minutes ago, jwb1 said: What I have, I'm not sure if what others have, has everything missing and sounds better than the LLL release. the 2012 boot didn't have the Never Feast insert (Cornocupia insert) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, King Mark said: unless it's leaked in lossless now? The 2012 boot was 320kbps .Still sounded fantastic but I'd rather have a true lossess version of it the 2012 boot didn't have the Never Feast insert (Cornocupia insert) This has Cornocupia. All tracks are in M title format and FLAC. I didn't think sharing one track was that bad. I see it was removed. Well, at least it can be discussed! There is new detail in many of the tracks, especially the end battle / final music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, crumbs said: This thread gave me a heart attack! I thought it was confirmation from LLL that Hook wasn't one of their two Sony titles that escaped the third party licensing ban. I still hold out (an increasing slim) hope that Mike already discovered the tapes and was in production of a fixed version of this score before Sony made their decision. Yes and yes! 49 minutes ago, crumbs said: I have no idea exactly what you have but I doubt it's anything more than the bootleg which was already floating around in 2012 and had all the music which LLL had to resort to film stems for. There was a lingering question about some music from Farewell Neverland used in a recent podcast (can't remember which one) which sounded vastly superior to the LLL 2012 version of the same track. It's unclear where that was sourced from... Some FSMer keeps claiming that new element have been found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 20 minutes ago, jwb1 said: This has Cornocupia. All tracks are in M title format and FLAC. That's one insert that never leaked in the same level of quality as other cues, so I'd be really curious about just how clean it sounds now. All other bootlegs of that cue sound a bit tinny to my ears, perhaps even the wrong speed. 4 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Some FSMer keeps claiming that new element have been found. It makes sense, thinking about it. Just last year Sony went to the trouble to scan the film in 4K and uncovered a stack of deleted scenes in the process (even if a lot of deleted footage remains unreleased). Did they remix the film for Dolby Atmos? Then things really start to make sense, as they would surely have required superior elements for the score than the existing film stems. I don't have the 4K so I can't really judge whether some of the music edits sound a bit cleaner or anything (which would indicate they assembled the score from the original masters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Yes and yes! Some FSMer keeps claiming that new element have been found. I did not come here for fame or fortune. New sources can come to light at anytime. Everyone here should know this obviously look at Superman and Dracula! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I bet this just comes from the edit uploaded to the temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I bet this just comes from the edit uploaded to the temple. Not sure what the temple is. But I don't much care where it comes from. All I care is it sounds better than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It is really revealing to hear the complete crystal-clear Ultimate War. The LLL release is really fucked up at times. Some cues have missing endings, in order to be connected with the following cue. Weird edit decisions that imitate the film version, but without musical sense, etc. You can easily create a definitive presentation with that material, which may become necessary if Sony closes the doors, before LLL is able to produce a new release. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: It is really revealing to hear the complete crystal-clear Ultimate War. The LLL release is really fucked up at times. Some cues have missing endings, in order to be connected with the following cue. Weird edit decisions that imitate the film version, but without musical sense, etc. You can easily create a definitive presentation with that material, which may become necessary if Sony closes the doors, before LLL is able to produce a new release. It really does sound fantastic now. And there are tiny bits that were either missing or edited out back in now. I would totally buy this again. But I think this is as definite as it will get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 So does your edition have the cornucopia insert seperately, since you can't provide a tracklist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: So does your edition have the cornucopia insert seperately, since you can't provide a tracklist? It is the entire cue with it, the cue is titled Cornucopia. I am simply too lazy to type out the entire track list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 There are ways to generate them automatically. If it's the entire cue, I'm even more convinced you have an edit made using different sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, bollemanneke said: There are ways to generate them automatically. If it's the entire cue, I'm even more convinced you have an edit made using different sources. Well the LLL release was different sources too, friend. lol. I don't have a source for what I have. But I can tell you it sounds better than anything else available. A few others can now attest to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 55 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: So does your edition have the cornucopia insert seperately, since you can't provide a tracklist? Hook Trailer 1m1-3 Piano Intro - We Don't Wanna Grow Up 1m4 Yuppie SOunds 2m1 Wendy's Entrance 2m2 The Bedroom 3m1 The Nursery Scene 3m2 Saying Goodnight 3m3 Hook Returns to Kensington 4m1 Hook Is Back 4m2 Forgotten How to Fly 4m3 Looney Wendy (Part 1) 4m3 Looney Wendy (Part 2) 4m4 The Arrival of Tink 4m5-5m1 I Don't Believe in Fairies (Part 1) 4m5-5m1 I Don't Believe in Fairies (Part 2) 5m2 Arrival at Neverland 5m3 Slicing the Hand 5m4 I'll Take Those Shoes 5m5 Show Us Your Hook 5m6-6m1 Hook's Entrance 6m2 Draw Your Sword 6m3 Hoist the Kiddies 6m4 Tink Strikes a Deal 6m5-7m1 The Mermaids 7m2 To Neverland 7m3 The Lost Boys Appear 7m4 Enter Rufio 7m5 The Lost Boys ballet 7m6-8m1 The Face of Pan 8m2 Don't Try to Stop Me Smee! 8m3 Smee Steals the Show 8m4 Believe Your Eyes 8m4ab More Never Band 8m6 Hook Lessons 9m3 The Banquet 9m4 Cornucopia 9m5 Cutting the Coconut 10m1 When You're Alone 10m2 Stop That Clock!! 11m1 The Home Run 11m2-12m1 Follow That Shadow 12m2 I Remember 12m3 The Flying Sequence 12m4 You Are the Pan 14m1 Tink Grows Up 13m2 To War 13m3 Crossed Swords 13m4-14m1 Form Ranks 14m2 Daddy Is Peter Pan 14m3 Death of Rufio 14m4 The Sword Fight 14m5-15m1 Winning by a Hair 15m2 The End of Hook 15m3 My Lost Boys 15m4 The Next Morning 15m5-16m1 Kensington Gardens 16m2 End Credits 16m3 Exit Music 1m0 Hook Trailer (Alternate) 1m4 Yuppie Sounds (Album Version) 4m3 Looney Wendy (Part 1 Alternate) 4m4 Arrival of Tink (Alternate Ending) 5m2 Arrival of Tink (Alternate Ending) 5m6-6m1 Hook's Entrance (Alternate Take) 10m311m1a Take Me Out to the Ball Game (Source) Hook Hook Hook (Source Chant) Everything sound excellent, except the Cornucopia insert which is very muffled. MM would probably reduce the background noises that are audible, more than we're used to on official releases. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Right, but that's still a faneedit that's missing Pick'em UP, correct? Nothing spectacularly new... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwb1 1 Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 29 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Right, but that's still a faneedit that's missing Pick'em UP, correct? Nothing spectacularly new... How can you say it isn't new when it has better sound than, especially in the end battle stuff even over the "official" LLL release? And missing bits as well cut out! The labels are just glorified fan edits. Hook sounds remarkably bad in many places on the LLL release. You seem to have a stigma to leaked stuff , even if its actually better. And IMHO, Cornucopia sounds better than it EVER has in anything previous leaked. Really it sounds like people will always complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, jwb1 said: And IMHO, Cornucopia sounds better than it EVER has in anything previous leaked. Maybe better, but still bad. 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: Right, but that's still a faneedit that's missing Pick'em UP, correct? What exactly is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Not sure, but Jay has mentioned multiple times that cue is missing in all the sources. I think it underscores some training of Peter by the lost boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 9 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Right, but that's still a faneedit that's missing Pick'em UP, correct? Nothing spectacularly new... 7 hours ago, Brundlefly said: What exactly is this? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Ain't no time to celebrate! You are old and overweight! Gotta lose a million pounds! Get your fat butt off the ground! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 But is this really John Williams music? At the end we hear "Pan Is Challenged", I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Yeah, I think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 9:34 PM, jwb1 said: The full version of The End of Hook and in amazing sound! I find it a bit too sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Tom said: I find it a bit too sharp. I would have said the opposite, that it tends to be too beefed up in the lower frequencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Brundlefly said: I would have said the opposite, that it tends to be too beefed up in the lower frequencies. Ignore my post--it was a "botched joke," to quote John Kerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I've created a complete score program that contains every relevant bit of the score, except the Cornucopia insert, because it doesn't sound good. Prologue 1:27 We Don‘t Wanna Grow Up 1:54 Banning Back Home 3:16 Granny Wendy 2:16 The Bedroom 1:11 The Nursery / The Watch 2:35 Hook Returns to Kensington 2:03 Hook-Napped 2:11 Forgotten How to Fly 0:56 Wendy Tells Peter the Truth 2:25 The Arrival of Tink / The Flight to Neverland 6:11 Arrival at Neverland / Presenting the Hook 5:11 Hook‘s Entrance 2:42 Hook Challenges Peter / Tink Strikes a Deal 7:54 From Mermaids to Lost Boys / Enter Rufio 5:50 The Lost Boy Chase 3:36 The Face of Pan 2:45 Don‘t Try to Stop Me 2:19 Smee‘s Plan 1:48 Believe Your Eyes / Pan Is Challenged 3:02 Hook‘s Lesson 3:10 The Banquet 3:26 The Never-Feast 4:44 When You‘re Alone 3:17 Stop That Clock! 4:04 Remembering Childhood 13:38 You Are the Pan 1:28 Tink Grows Up 2:23 The Ultimate War 19:09 Farewell Neverland 10:21 End Credits 6:24 Bonus Tracks: Prologue (Alternate) 1:36 Banning Back Home (Album Version) 2:25 Looney Wendy 1:10 The Arrival of Tink (Alternate Insert) 3:34 Arrival at Neverland (Alternate) 1:00 Take Me Out to the Ball Game (Source) 0:58 I'm quite sure that all 8 cues from The Ultimate War were intended to be one single piece and the 4 cues from Remembering Childhood as well. I don't think that Rufio should be connected with From Mermaids to Lost Boys. But I'm not sure about Arrival at Neverland and Presenting the Hook. Should the cues "I'll Take Those Shoes" and "Show Me the Hook" be connected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 That's very nice, but Cornucopia insert is kind of imperative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Should the cues "I'll Take Those Shoes" and "Show Me the Hook" be connected? Yes. I’ll Take Those Shoes is intended to segue directly into Show Us Your Hook. The last note of one cue overlaps with the first note of the next cue. Also, I believe the end of The Flying Sequence is intended to segue directly into the start of You Are the Pan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: That's very nice, but Cornucopia insert is kind of imperative... Yes, but the on the leaked version it sounds like shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Use the Concorde bootleg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 No. MM can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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