Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted February 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2021 Ahh yes, the "mystery-box" in action. Or more accurately, the "I'm-too-lazy-to-explain-anything-so-invent-your-own-answers" box. Remco, BrotherSound, Smeltington and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Exegol has a population??? I thought it was some barren dead rock. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,893 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 14 hours ago, Holko said: Exegol has a population??? I thought it was some barren dead rock. All the chanting grim reapers of course! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 14 hours ago, Holko said: Exegol has a population??? I thought it was some barren dead rock. As it is meant to, a spell of concealment lies on that place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: All the chanting grim reapers of course! I thought those were fanboy tourists from across the galaxy. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,512 Posted February 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, Holko said: I thought those were fanboy tourists from across the galaxy. I thought they were football fans Imagine the server crash when all those Sith tried to buy tickets for "Emperor Palpatine Live On Exegol"... Smeltington, crlbrg and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,348 Posted February 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Holko said: I thought those were fanboy tourists from across the galaxy. "Come to the unkown regions! Visit the beautiful ash covered Exegol! join the Sith Tabernacle Choir for their annual sing-a-long!" Smeltington, crumbs, crlbrg and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted February 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2021 Fun fact: in just the first five minutes following the main title of The Rise of Skywalker, there are bits and pieces of 13 different cues, and only 3 weren’t written for a completely different scene in a different part of the movie. Starry Night [from TFA] Rey’s Incredible Hand Ready To Be A Jedi Vader’s Castle Rey’s Trip to P The Ninth Beginning Chewie's Interrogation Approaching the Nursery Uncharted Territory Hard to Get Rid Of Psalm of the Sith Stop and Start On Their Knees Will, crlbrg, Tiburon and 7 others 1 2 1 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted February 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2021 I'm not sure if Williams would consider that a "fun" fact. Amusing that The Ninth Beginning is the sixth cue used after main title, but one month prior to release it was the first. Will, Jay, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,348 Posted February 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2021 Modern music editing/tracking is weird, I can understand weird looping, or grabbing a patch from another cue for a segue here and there or to smooth a cut, or tracking a whole cue and cutting it down, but this micromanaging stuff is just mind boggling. imagine if films were edited this way, they would be nigh unwatchable. TSMefford, MikeH and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,893 Posted February 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Spider-Fal said: imagine if films were edited this way Well TROS kind of was. crumbs, Will, Jay and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Well TROS kind of was. Thing is, they were able to revise things to fit their new cut with CG and the like, Williams wasn't (that we know of, tho some TLJ cues had inserts written to slot into tracked music). Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,512 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 10 hours ago, BrotherSound said: Fun fact: in just the first five minutes following the main title of The Rise of Skywalker, there are bits and pieces of 13 different cues, and only 3 weren’t written for a completely different scene in a different part of the movie. Starry Night [from TFA] Rey’s Incredible Hand Ready To Be A Jedi Vader’s Castle Rey’s Trip to P The Ninth Beginning Chewie's Interrogation Approaching the Nursery Uncharted Territory Hard to Get Rid Of Psalm of the Sith Stop and Start On Their Knees Just looking at this makes me sick. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted February 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Fabulin said: Just looking at this makes me sick. Yes, in all seriousness, it's disgusting how poorly JW's final Star Wars score... potentially final film score... was treated by Abrams and his sound editors. Not only hacked up like newspaper headlines for a ransom note, but burying it so deep in the mix they might as well have kept the temp track. Basically, an embarrassment of a film that soured all the goodwill achieved up to that point. How I wish they'd just delayed the damn thing two years and done it properly, so Williams could have scored an actual movie and not some under-cooked rotisserie of incomprehensible sequences. Certainly makes Mike's task in the future all the more crucial; to afford that score the respect and dignity it deserves... because Abrams certainly didn't. Will, Cerebral Cortex, GerateWohl and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,512 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 57 minutes ago, crumbs said: How I wish they'd just delayed the damn thing two years and done it properly, so Williams could have scored an actual movie and not some under-cooked rotisserie of incomprehensible sequences. I'm not even going to go down that rabbit hole again. Abrams lost my goodwill already in December of 2015. Let me just point out that had they delayed "the damn thing" one month, Williams would have gotten an Oscar in 2021... Search your feelings. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted February 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Fabulin said: Let me just point out that had they delayed "the damn thing" one month, Williams would have gotten an Oscar in 2021... Search your feelings. If they'd delayed the film one month, Williams probably would have reached 1M0219 The Nineteenth Beginning. Cerebral Cortex, BrotherSound and ZenLogic101 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted February 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 17, 2021 @Jay @crumbs @Falstaft @Datameister For my fellow TROS score obsessives, I've noticed the gaps in the numbering I shared a couple days ago appear to indicate where the "reel" breaks are in the final version of the film, just like the ones indicated on the spreadsheet for the November 11th cut: Quote Reel 1 [Main Title] Rey’s Incredible Hand Ready To Be A Jedi Vader’s Castle Rey’s Trip to P The Ninth Beginning Chewie's Interrogation Approaching the Nursery Uncharted Territory Hard to Get Rid Of Psalm of the Sith Stop and Start On Their Knees Lightspeed Skipping Reel 2 Rey Wakes Up Rey’s Training The Wisdom of Maz Meditation Rey’s Mission The Medal The Forge Fixing the Helmet Ship Trip Children's School Cockpit Dialog Reel 3 Lando Ochi and the Dagger Before the Chase Ren’s Entrance Falcon's Last Trip [3M3 No Title] Through the Jungle Tunnel Monster Rey Sees Mother Rey Meets Luke Knights of Ren Rey Senses Ren’s Approach More Maz Daisy in a Veil Reel 4 Ship Walk and Talk To The End Good Ship, Bad Ship The Emperor Lives Tell Me What They Are Zucini? Red Eyes Hallway Shooting He Won't Remember Poe and Girlfriend The Feeling Meddling and Poe’s Crush Dropping the Sabre Reel 5 Ben to Rey I'm The Spy Genealogy Seven Twelve Emperor's Theme v3 Landing At ? It Fits! Seven One Off The Waterfront Rey Climbs Pipes Climbing Filial Fencing Reel 6 Leia Lies Down Healing Wounds Under a Blanket Father Knows Best Six Twelve Sabre Toss Luke’s Advice Leia’s Sabre Wayfinder Insert The Meeting [7M5 March of the Resistance] Spy’s Message Horses #2 Approaching the Throne Reel 7 More Action Parents Make The Sacrifice The Crowd Joins In The Last Fight Hero Fight Big Ship Blows Up Emperor's Attack The Dunkirk Shot I Am All The Sith Name That Tune Success and Sliding Rey and Ren Reel 8 Bows [9M5Alt Return to Tatooine] Horn Solo [8M16 End Credits] crumbs, Holko, CGCJ and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted February 17, 2021 Author Share Posted February 17, 2021 Fascinating! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 I didn't even notice Filial Fencing was in that list! I wonder which music belongs to that cue? It's somewhere between the tracking of Vader's Death and Leia's Death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 13 hours ago, crumbs said: I didn't even notice Filial Fencing was in that list! I wonder which music belongs to that cue? It's somewhere between the tracking of Vader's Death and Leia's Death. Not Leia's Death but when she lies down. Thats mean that we have two options, either its when Rey meets dark Rey or when Rey and Kylo talks before the fight. The November cut has only music to one of the scenes, Daisy in a Veil at 50 seconds which fits with what we have for the Rey and Kylo conversation. So I think that Filial Fencing is tracked into the scene between Rey and dark Rey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, Smaug The Iron said: Not Leia's Death but when she lies down. Thats mean that we have two options, either its when Rey meets dark Rey or when Rey and Kylo talks before the fight. The November cut has only music to one of the scenes, Daisy in a Veil at 50 seconds which fits with what we have for the Rey and Kylo conversation. So I think that Filial Fencing is tracked into the scene between Rey and dark Rey. Yep, seems to be the case. The entire "Dark Rey" scene was unscored in the November edit... but the fact JW named the cue 6M04 Daisy in a Veil likely means it was written for the entire sequence (and only the last 50 seconds was used). So he scored it all, they partially dialed it out in the November cut, then decided to track in Filial Fencing (likely written for the abandoned opening sequence) for the Dark Rey fight. Smaug The Iron and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Looks like there's more of the cue list known now! Seems https://franklehman.com/starwars/ was updated recently with more of the cue list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Part of the cue list: Chant 1 Chant 2 On 11/3/2020 at 2:16 PM, JohnnyD said: Well, I honestly think that the chants were recorded by choir. On 11/3/2020 at 2:39 PM, JohnnyD said: I mean, they could be choral sweeteners. I honestly thought that the shrieks in The Intersection Scene from War of the Worlds were sound effects until I watched the featurette on the score and John Williams specifically mentioned those moments having been done by choir (thanks to the remastered and expanded release, those instances are finally available). It is certainly plausible, right? On 11/3/2020 at 2:59 PM, JohnnyD said: Just because it is coming from characters on screen does not necessarily mean it is done by the sound effects team, though that is another possibility. Look at Indians Jones and the Temple of Doom; the chanting and drum beats came from characters on screen, yet that was composed and conducted by John Williams with choir and percussion in perfect sync with the film. Either way, it is certainly interesting how the line between score and sound can be blurred. A compliment to all involved, I must say. It appears that I was right in thinking that the Sith Eternal cult chants were done as part of the recording of the score. Lucky guess, huh? crumbs and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted March 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2021 With all the discussion about this bonkers cue list, I wanted to share some more: So no one else has to, I’ve spent some time going through the cue list with the various early rumors and novelization, and I’ve been able to come up with a pretty good idea where some of the unknown pieces may fit. Filial Fencing is most likely 1M2. The rumors all point to the Luke and Leia flashback duel originally starting the movie. Technically, the word “filial” pertains to parent-child relationships, rather than siblings, but there’s no known scene that would fit that definition. It’s now known that the music for the appearance of dark Rey is Filial Fencing. It may seem surprising that the Luke and Leia flashback was originally scored with something much more suspenseful and dramatic, but the audience was not originally supposed to understand at first who they were seeing duel, and that it was friendly rather than life-or-death. The Eye of the Webbish Bog, a.k.a. The Oracle, was an elaborate and bizarre puppet creature that was originally intended to be encountered by Kylo on Mustafar, and it’s been confirmed it was filmed. This would have originally happened in 1M6 Ren’s Entrance, and probably also 1M15 Vader’s Castle (essentially 1M6R). The novelization contains an Ajan Kloss (the forest planet) scene that was likely what 2M3 The Wisdom of Maz was written for: Maz goes to talk to Rey at her workbench and offers some platitudes like “You won’t know how strong you are until you know how strong you have to be” and “To find the darkest part in the galaxy you will need to face the darkest part of yourself”. The novelization also contains a second Maz scene not long afterwards where she talks to Leia briefly about Han and encourages her to give the lightsaber to Rey, which leads me to believe More Maz is most likely 2M5. Oddly, ‘The Speeder Chase’ is comprised of 3M1 Before the Chase and 3M3 [untitled], with no known 3M2. If there was ever a 3M2 written or planned, it would appear it’s a brief scene where Lando attempts to get to the Falcon, only to discover it’s already been captured by stormtroopers. This scene was mentioned in early rumors and is in the novelization. More to come… Manakin Skywalker, Ludwig, crumbs and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 It's weird that 3M3 went untitled, yet The Speeder Chase is such an obvious cue/track title. 3M2 being reserved for that deleted scene makes sense. Don't even remember if it's explained why the characters abandon the Falcon and flee Pasaana on Ochi's ship. There must have been some explanation in an earlier cut, where Lando filled them in or something. 5 hours ago, BrotherSound said: Maz goes to talk to Rey at her workbench and offers some platitudes like “You won’t know how strong you are until you know how strong you have to be” and “To find the darkest part in the galaxy you will need to face the darkest part of yourself”. Geez, groaners like this are straight out of the Chris Terrio playbook. His Snyder/DC screenplays are filled with similar dreck. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 26 minutes ago, crumbs said: 3M2 being reserved for that deleted scene makes sense. Don't even remember if it's explained why the characters abandon the Falcon Because the bad guys have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 But how did they know? They were tied up in the speeder chase, buried in quicksand, stuck in the underground tunnels then attacked by Kylo Ren. I guess there was some throwaway ADR line explaining it, I just can't remember. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 13 hours ago, crumbs said: But how did they know? They were tied up in the speeder chase, buried in quicksand, stuck in the underground tunnels then attacked by Kylo Ren. It is briefly addressed just after they get out of the tunnel, not that it really makes any sense: Quote C-3PO: I suggest we return to the Millennium Falcon at once. POE: They’ll be waiting for us at the Falcon. And that’s the end of it. 🤷♂️ crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted March 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2021 I don't even remember that they left the Falcon. Or how they got it back. mrbellamy, crumbs and BrotherSound 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 That movie is so crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 558 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Holko said: Or how they got it back. You'll remember once the music for Lando's arrival with the Falcon will be released 😁 crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bounty95 said: You'll remember once the music for Lando's arrival with the Falcon will be released 😁 What, do they fly around in Ochi's ship until then? That can't be right... don't they inexplicably crashland the falcon (offscreen) on the DSII ruin planet? Oh yeah, that's the shot with that terrible zoom and where the tracking is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 558 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Oh yeah you're right... I don't remember either then 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Holko said: What, do they fly around in Ochi's ship until then? That can't be right... don't they inexplicably crashland the falcon (offscreen) on the DSII ruin planet? Oh yeah, that's the shot with that terrible zoom and where the tracking is off. They steal back the Falcon on Kijimi IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Oh, I do remember them using it to rescue Rey. Do we assume it was captured and put in the star destroyer and Poe stole it from there? I'm suddenly very intrigued by all this. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, Smeltington said: Oh, I do remember them using it to rescue Rey. Do we assume it was captured and put in the star destroyer and Poe stole it from there? I'm suddenly very intrigued by all this. There's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot of the Falcon being towed aboard a Star Destroyer by 4 TIE fighters, then a throwaway line by General Bad-Guy about how they captured their ship. And that's the extent of it, until they steal it back. It's a thoroughly pointless subplot, which basically exists just to force the Ren/Rey parentage reveal in the hangar. They don't even bother showing how they recapture the ship, it's all off-screen. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Ok, back again with some more informed speculation on TROS cues, based on comparing all the available sources: the November 11th spreadsheet, the novelization by Rae Carson and junior novelization by Michael Kogge, sheet music, interviews, and rumors (many of which have proved to be quite accurate). TIL: this giant snake is actually a puppet, not CGI! So, since Ochi and the Dagger is 3M7, it seems fairly likely Tunnel Monster would be 3M8. The oddity is that none of that cue was used anywhere in the November 11th cut, including the titular giant snake scene, which was instead tracked with 6M2 Rey Climbs Pipes and 2M4 The Emperor Lives. The final cut instead uses a combination of Tunnel Monster and tracking 5M5 Rey Sees Mother and 7M2 Rey Meets Luke. In fact, the later seems to include the section from the Ahch-To scene that was replaced with the 6M20 Sabre Toss insert, also featuring a Force theme statement in C minor, though considerably more subdued. There’s a chance Tunnel Monster was a revision that replaced an earlier cue, meaning it might also be 3M20 or similar, but I feel that’s a bit less likely with all the tracking that was used here. I haven’t been able to work out any way that 4M4 Zucini? (which plays when the heroes have arrived at Kijimi and first encounter Zorii) could ever come before 4M5 To The End (which is the music for when they first decide to travel to Kijimi). Maybe the slates were accidentally switched in the November 11th info, or they might have just accidentally been mid-ordered. This appears to have happened with a couple of the Rose cues in TLJ: the placement of 3M21 Rose Appears and 2M19 Rose Catches Finn seems backwards, and 3M21 indeed appears before 2M19 in the film. 4M10 Red Eyes and 4M11 Poe and Girlfriend also seem backwards (Poe and Zorii walk in together in the same shot as those red eyes), but that ordering could have been changed more easily via a reshoot. Chewie’s Interrogation must go somewhere between 4M2 Rey’s Incredible Hand (when Chewie is captured) and 5M3 Hallway Shooting (when Chewie is freed). My best guess is 5M2: I think the original intention was the keep the reveal that Chewie was still alive (in 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk) until later, so that Rey’s grief would have more weight with the audience not already knowing it’s a fakeout. However, this would require that Kylo not go down to the planet’s surface until later, but maybe that’s what the unknown 5M4 was for. While it wasn’t used in the November 11th version, there’s at least a couple seconds in the final: listen to the last 8 seconds of ‘Prologue’ on the FYC. It Fits! is an insert for 5M10 Landing At ?, when Rey lines the dagger up with the Death Star wreckage, which also adds the Vader theme, so it appears the November 11th data may actually be accurate here when it doesn’t list that theme. Since the film had been shortened quite a bit by the time this was recorded in mid-November, it’s probably 4M20, 4M30, or something along those lines. The Feeling (or some portion of it) is used in the final film just before 5M1 Meddling and Poe’s Crush, but I don’t believe it was written to appear there. The phrase “the feeling” doesn’t appear anywhere, but “a feeling” does appear in a few scene. This warm clarinet rendition of the Star Wars theme doesn’t seem at all suited for the more tense scenes that feature that phrase, but it would perfectly suit Finn and Jannah bonding on the Millennium Falcon, so I believe this is 5M11, replaced by tracked music in the intended scene. CGCJ and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: So, since Ochi and the Dagger is 3M7, it seems fairly likely Tunnel Monster would be 3M8. The oddity is that none of that cue was used anywhere in the November 11th cut, including the titular giant snake scene, which was instead tracked with 6M2 Rey Climbs Pipes and 2M4 The Emperor Lives. The final cut instead uses a combination of Tunnel Monster and tracking 5M5 Rey Sees Mother and 7M2 Rey Meets Luke. In fact, the later seems to include the section from the Ahch-To scene that was replaced with the 6M20 Sabre Toss insert, also featuring a Force theme statement in C minor, though considerably more subdued. There’s a chance Tunnel Monster was a revision that replaced an earlier cue, meaning it might also be 3M20 or similar, but I feel that’s a bit less likely with all the tracking that was used here. FFS. I'm having a real hard time wrapping my head around this. That's ridiculous. There's like 7 different cues mentioned in here for one scene?! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, TSMefford said: FFS. I'm having a real hard time wrapping my head around this. That's ridiculous. There's like 7 different cues mentioned in here for one scene?! It really is nutty! And that isn’t even one of the worst spots. There’s places where one tracked cue switches momentarily to a different tracked cue for a matter of seconds and then back, and even a couple spots where more than one tracked cue are overlayed simultaneously for a few seconds! (And I don’t mean the typical intended overlap of one cue ending and another beginning.) ZenLogic101 and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 46 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: It really is nutty! And that isn’t even one of the worst spots. There’s places where one tracked cue switches momentarily to a different tracked cue for a matter of seconds and then back, and even a couple spots where more than one tracked cue are overlayed simultaneously for a few seconds! (And I don’t mean the typical intended overlap of one cue ending and another beginning.) If Mike manages to make something decent out of all this I'll be extremely impressed. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bounty95 558 Posted March 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2021 TROS is my no. 1 holy grail expansion. It will be like listening to the score for the first time. Come on, dewit Mike! Bofur01, BrotherSound, Holko and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted March 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, TSMefford said: If Mike manages to make something decent out of all this I'll be extremely impressed. From what I can tell, this one wouldn’t actually be as difficult as The Force Awakens. While TROS certainly has a ton of alternates, the revisions mostly seem to be completely different, while TFA has a lot of cues with multiple slightly tweaked versions of the same material and more inserts. The hack job of “The Speeder Chase” is unfortunately not at all unusual in this film, so I’m sure even plenty of cues we think we’ve heard would be a revelation, not to mention the ones we’ve heard nothing of or only a few seconds. You’d certainly need three CDs to cover the 226 minutes of music recorded, and the actual running time would probably be even more, since some of those are inserts that wouldn’t make sense on their own. I imagine an ideal presentation would be a main presentation that would fill two discs, including plenty of music for deleted scenes (‘Chewie’s Interrogation’) and scenes that went unscored (‘Daisy In A Veil’) or completely tracked (‘The Feeling’). Then a third disc packed with interesting and quite different alternates… TSMefford, Holko, Will and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted March 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2021 8 hours ago, BrotherSound said: You’d certainly need three CDs to cover the 226 minutes of music recorded, and the actual running time would probably be even more, since some of those are inserts that wouldn’t make sense on their own. I imagine an ideal presentation would be a main presentation that would fill two discs, including plenty of music for deleted scenes (‘Chewie’s Interrogation’) and scenes that went unscored (‘Daisy In A Veil’) or completely tracked (‘The Feeling’). Then a third disc packed with interesting and quite different alternates… That would be my dream expansion for TFA and TROS. A 2-disc "film score" presentation that assembles JW's final revisions for each cue in chrono order (plus music for deleted scenes), then a third disc with the "early" version of the score (JW's first version of each cue, before JJ Abrams happened) + oddities + OST tracks that used different takes to the film version. Similar to how Mike expanded Star Trek: TMP. TLJ would probably be a more conventional expansion, with the complete film score + cues for deleted scenes, followed by the standard collection of alternates in chrono order (starting with the TLJ recording of 1M1 + alternate 1M2, and capped off with that fantastic alternate end credits suite). Ahhh, we can dream... Will, Remco, Holko and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 Some of the deleted scenes cues would be in the bonuses, as they were patched out with inserts. Then there are the inserts intended for tracked music.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted March 22, 2021 Share Posted March 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Falco said: Some of the deleted scenes cues would be in the bonuses, as they were patched out with inserts. Then there are the inserts intended for tracked music.... Lol. Maybe he could just make a track called "The Inserts" and have them all play one after the other. XD crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 18 hours ago, Falco said: Some of the deleted scenes cues would be in the bonuses, as they were patched out with inserts. Good point. I guess it depends on whatever creates the best musical flow. I'd love unused TFA cues like No, No...No!, Leia's Condolence Speech and Finn vs Trooper reinstated to their rightful place though (seeing as two of them have early alternates in addition to the unused final versions!) Of course, some of the film inserts/patches might be jettisoned if they're not musically interesting, like the film insert for Flying Car in COS. 18 hours ago, Falco said: Then there are the inserts intended for tracked music.... Yeah that's messy for 1M6 Insert on TLJ. Hypothetically you could include that inside a bonus track called We Can Do This (Film Edit) or something. Would slot nicely after the alternate 1M1 and alternate 1M2 ...we really need a new Williams score to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 There is speculation that some of those alternates you speak of were never recorded, as they were revised prior to recording, and some were just shorter versions for altered cuts and other slight reworks/retimings. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 22 hours ago, crumbs said: (starting with the TLJ recording of 1M1 + alternate 1M2, and capped off with that fantastic alternate end credits suite). Ahhh, we can dream... Wait, I’m not clear on where the lolz start in this post. Is there some evidence of an alternate end credits suite for TLJ? Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted March 23, 2021 Share Posted March 23, 2021 30 minutes ago, igger6 said: Wait, I’m not clear on where the lolz start in this post. Is there some evidence of an alternate end credits suite for TLJ? The sheet music for it It still got some adapted music from the battle cues (Opening battle and I think Crait) though Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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