Fabulin 3,513 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 . Tiburon and Smeltington 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 AOTC _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Menace is definitely that unique kind of film that appreciates a lot of musical breadth and exhibition as it sought to reopen a brand new world for people in 1999, and Williams took full advantage of that appreciation. There are other films where music is less conspicuous, but some would argue more noteworthy. An example of this I think with Williams would be The Philosopher's Stone; it gave real base structure to the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The Fellowship of the Ring, Prisoner of Azkaban, Revenge of the Sith. As much as I love Phantom Menace, the music never transcends the film it's attached to, whereas the three scores above are so integral and explicit in how they reinforce the narratives of their films, they're more powerful for it. Edmilson and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,013 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 TPM has amazing distinctive highlights but there's also tons of aimless meandering underscore in there. The entire Coruscant sequence is just dead wood. Karol Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Arpy said: Revenge of the Sith 3 hours ago, Fabulin said: I bet even 20 better scores cannot be found. It's a good score, but not among JW's top ten. So yes, I'm sure 20 better scores can be found among all existing scores. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Argofuckyourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Arpy said: Argofuckyourself. Geez, I thought you were making a joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 I'm dead serious about Revenge of the Sith being the better score. Tiburon, The Illustrious Jerry, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 It's every man's right to be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Last time I listed my top JW scores, I put it at #6, and it could arguably be placed even higher. So yes! You are right. And in terms of its wider appreciation, unfortunately it's not likely to get that because of the film. But Duel of the Fates at least has transcended. For example, it was programmed in an evening of film music I saw several years back here in Atlanta, as a mighty showcase for the ASO's chorus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Great score, but doesn't feature among my top 50 overall, nor my top 10 Williams (I have RETURN OF THE JEDI "representing" STAR WARS in that list anyway....can't fill it all up with scores in the same saga). Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I tried listening to the complete score a few months ago and had to turn it off. It's just too much, simply an excess of densely orchestrated music for one sitting. No criticism of the quality of music because it's exceptional. Just falls into that Hook/Philosopher's Stone/Temple of Doom category for me, where it's better enjoyed in smaller doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Last Crusade is better. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Fabulin said: one will struggle to find many scores more magnificent The Magnificent Seven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 The Phantom Menace is a magnificent score. It has everything Holko, Fabulin and Tiburon 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Yes, the variety is wonderful. And so much of it is great, even small incidental moments. The stuff on Tatooine is the emotional "heart" of the score, then there's great action material throughout, plus a nice range of material to represent the different cultures in the film. And it's hard to explain, but I feel like Williams found a voice on this film that was unique among his output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 I love how JW conveys the feeling of place of Naboo and Coruscant by orchestral color alone. It's not even thematic. But you know immediatly where you are. It's one of the greatest fantasy scores ever written, in my view Smeltington, Jay and The Illustrious Jerry 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,456 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 It's a great score, with that warm feeling that most Williams scores had on the late 90s/early 2000s... but I don't think it's one of my favorites. And yeah, I prefer Revenge of the Sith. Much more powerful choir writing. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 The Patriot Harry Potter: The Sorcerer's Stone Revenge of the Sith Munich Lincoln The Force Awakens The Rise of Skywalker?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Ben Hur Fellowship of the Ring Two Towers Return of the King Jurassic Park Star Wars Prisoner of Azkaban Philosopher's Stone Goldfinger Revenge of the Sith Empire Strikes Back Raiders of the Lost Ark Return of the Jedi Star Trek TMP Star Trek II Batman 1989 Edward Scissorhands Superman Titanic Close Encounters Of The Third Kind Lawrence of Arabia Gone With The Wind ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted April 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 16, 2020 I hate ranking things. The Phantom Menace is a great score on its own terms. No need to rank it or compare it to any other The Illustrious Jerry, Jay, Tiburon and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 THANK YOU Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Right on! Maybe we just need a "Phantom Menace Lovefest" thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,456 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I re-listened to TPM today, the Ultimate Edition. It's certainly a great score, with an excellent performance by the LSO and some terrific moments. But, much like the movie, the score drags a little during the Coruscant sequences. That said, Anakin is Free is a masterpiece of a cue, and the action music is some of the best of JW's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,529 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Smeltington said: Right on! Maybe we just need a "Phantom Menace Lovefest" thread. Say no more! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 John Williams’ choral writing ain’t much to write home about. Even Giacchino’s Fallen Kingdom theme is vastly more intriguing. Tiburon, Smeltington and Evanus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 15 hours ago, Romão said: I hate ranking things. The Phantom Menace is a great score on its own terms. No need to rank it or compare it to any other Simplifyingly ranking things is everything in the universe! You can rank the periodic table of elements. For instance, the first, most-essential element is gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 13 hours ago, Fabulin said: I think the score is underrated in the film music world in that one will struggle to find many scores more magnificent than it, and yet it is unheard of outside of Star Wars-dedicated discussions. I bet even 20 better scores cannot be found. I think this is a great score! For me it doesn't drag much at all. That said, it's completely ridiculous to say there aren't 20 scores that are better. There definitely are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Kasey Kockroach said: John Williams’ choral writing ain’t much to write home about. It's fair. 9 hours ago, Kasey Kockroach said: Even Giacchino’s Fallen Kingdom theme is vastly more intriguing. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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