James Horner's STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN (1982) - 2021 2-CD La-La Land Records Remastered Edition

[OneBuckFilms 382]

The original CD and the LP were from the same album master I think.

 

The 2009 release had different reverb on the voiceover, and if I recall correctly, the timing was put in a different spot more in line with the film.

[Datameister 2,279]

That's the one thing that's better on the OST than the FSM release - the reverb on the Spock voiceover.

[Tallguy 4,417]

30 minutes ago, Datameister said:

That's the one thing that's better on the OST than the FSM release - the reverb on the Spock voiceover.

 

Uh oh. Will this now be incomplete because there are THREE versions? V/O Film, V/O LP, End title w/o voice over? Quadruple dip, here we come!

 

1 hour ago, OneBuckFilms said:

The original CD and the LP were from the same album master I think.

 

The 2009 release had different reverb on the voiceover, and if I recall correctly, the timing was put in a different spot more in line with the film.

 

Yeah, that was what Lukas told me last time.

 

Damn it, I'm going to have to go listen to my GNP and compare now, aren't I?

[OneBuckFilms 382]

It’ll be good to see what the voiceover is like.

 

Main thing for me is the score itself though.

[bespinGPT 8,767]

CH'PEYSH!

[bruckhorn 111]

6 hours ago, NL197 said:

@Jay
 

 

Wait.  How did you get the sheet music?

 

I thought only the opening and closing tracks have leaked.

 

Fantastic mock-up, by the way.

[Tallguy 4,417]

It seems there were some motifs he intended to indicate the Reliant. Maybe? I thought of the end of Enterprise Clears Moorings, but that transitions to Regula doesn't it?

[NL197 435]

2 hours ago, bruckhorn said:

Wait.  How did you get the sheet music?

 

I thought only the opening and closing tracks have leaked.

 

Fantastic mock-up, by the way.

Thank you. 

The only answer I can give you is that I used to matter a tiny bit once. Maybe I will again one day, though I doubt it. 

[Manakin Skywalker 5,296]

Here's likely what it would've looked like...

 

Music only: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1isxw336BzfMz3dRUjozB6KUWYK5r3IdO/view?usp=sharing

With sound: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13BboBaweq06vDvOQwPAtWBRXDlGHzPZU/view?usp=sharing

 

[NL197 435]

Funny...I just did it with my file: 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tty9HdxhLNBgyHYqD3f2IiOMDlKpPgCa/view?usp=sharing

I "potted" mine to work with the dialogue, though. 

[Alan 702]

Out of interest, has anyone had a shipping notice yet? I've not but also not convinced it won't just show up at my door in the next few days. Pretty sure that has happened to me with other LLL releases.

[crocodile 8,520]

Nothing here yet. 

 

Karol

[Jay 39,428]

No shipping notice for me yet either, and I ordered the second it went on sale

 

Can't wait to check out these new videos when I have time later!

[Demondm810 413]

Me either, but I'm thinking they were inundated!

[Manakin Skywalker 5,296]

1 hour ago, Alan said:

Out of interest, has anyone had a shipping notice yet? I've not but also not convinced it won't just show up at my door in the next few days. Pretty sure that has happened to me with other LLL releases.

 

I was one of the first to order the Harry Potter boxset (in fact my order number was the earliest out of all the ones I've seen), yet apparently it's still "awaiting shipment". 

[Doo_liss 6,423]

25 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

I was one of the first to order the Harry Potter boxset (in fact my order number was the earliest out of all the ones I've seen), yet apparently it's still "awaiting shipment". 

Seriously?

[OneBuckFilms 382]

No shipping for me yet. They do have this information on the front page text scroll so I recommend bearing it in mind:

 

SHIPPING NOTICE: Given the current pandemic crisis, please be patient with shipping. We are working steadily and safely, on a limited schedule according to local ordinances, to get orders out in a timely fashion.

Expect up to 7 business days from the date you place your order for it to ship from our warehouse and, then, we respectfully ask customers to wait up to 4 weeks to inquire about packages/deliveries not yet received. All such inquiries should be made to info@lalaland-ent.com – Thank you.

Please stay well and safe, everyone! We're doing the same here at LLL, following all business mandates & safety precautions, as we continue to take, process and ship online orders.

[Manakin Skywalker 5,296]

4 minutes ago, Permanent Waves said:

Seriously?

 

[Doo_liss 6,423]

Just now, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

So, you ended up receiving it anyway though right?

[OneBuckFilms 382]

The unrecorded music is pretty interesting. I can see why it wasn't used or recorded though, since it plays better unscored.

[mahler3 479]

Neil S. Bulk (or IndySolo as he was once known here about 20 years ago!) and music director Deniz Cordell join me on tonight’s Movie Magic to talk about this release, and play Horner’s thematic ideas on piano. It’s a fun chat with lots of cues & insider Trek references you may enjoy. We’re on www. Belfast247Radio.com from 7-9pm (GMT)

[Alan 702]

1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

I was one of the first to order the Harry Potter boxset (in fact my order number was the earliest out of all the ones I've seen), yet apparently it's still "awaiting shipment". 

Ha! Same here!

[Manakin Skywalker 5,296]

40 minutes ago, Permanent Waves said:

So, you ended up receiving it anyway though right?

 

Yep! Within a couple days.

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1 hour ago, mahler3 said:

Neil S. Bulk (or IndySolo as he was once known here about 20 years ago!) and music director Deniz Cordell join me on tonight’s Movie Magic to talk about this release, and play Horner’s thematic ideas on piano. It’s a fun chat with lots of cues & insider Trek references you may enjoy. We’re on www. Belfast247Radio.com from 7-9pm (GMT)

 

I don't suppose this will be available on demand? That broadcast time is around 5am for me 

 

Sounds like a lot of fun though! 

[OneBuckFilms 382]

I hope so too. Most of us are in different time zones and sometimes cannot stream or listen live.

[Jay 39,428]

I went here: https://www.belfast247radio.com/

 

And clicked on "listen", and some kind of pop/dance music is playing.  Am I in the right place?

 

EDIT: Nevermind, it's starting now!

 

Started with a cue from the new Ghostbusters 2 album

 

Now playing Twister music!

 

Playing Abel Korzeniowski's score to Courier now

 

And now comes TWOK music!

 

Well, he said the discussion with Neil is coming up later.  Now they're on to DisneyNature documentaries

 

Now they are talking about The Wonder Years tv show

[Jay 39,428]

The TWOK part is starting now!

 

They are played the finale cue with Nimoy's voiceover, and there is reverb

Neil just told the story of how he got the tapes.  He selected what he wanted, the transfers showed up, and it was only after he began playing it that he realized it was every take of every cue instead of the selected takes reel they had the first time around.  Must have been so cool to experience that!

 

Deniz just told an interesting story about how the producers of the first film made Jerry move away from the initial "nautical" music he had recorded, while here in Trek 2 a nautical sound was desired.  And I was reminded that Horner was only 28 when he wrote this!

 

Neil talked about having to use a rip of the Stat Trek II 45RPM 7" to rebuilt its unique End Title Edit track from his new session files, to give it its digital debut!

 

Deniz is playing the various themes on his keyboards and showing how they can interact with each other, it's very cool!

[Marian Schedenig 9,042]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

No shipping notice for me yet either, and I ordered the second it went on sale

 

Perhaps they spotted the glitches (whatever they are) before shipping this time.  

[Jay 39,428]

Interesting discussion just now about one bit of music for a Khan scene referencing Goldsmith's score to Patton and its echoing trumpets

[OneBuckFilms 382]

The unintended link to Ilia's Theme in terms of the chords he used is also interesting.

 

That writing is a bit of an early Horner signature, from Krull, Battle Beyond the Stars, Cocoon etc.

[Jay 39,428]

 

Neil just indicated he's already seen the new HD versions of 3 and 4 and they are a big improvement over the old versions

 

Tim just said it is limited to 10,000 copies due to "new Union rules".  What new union rules?  Does this impact post-2005 scores by any chance?

[Alan 702]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

 

Neil just indicated he's already seen the new HD versions of 3 and 4 and they are a big improvement over the old versions

 

iTunes Movies has the new masters for 1-3 and First Contact. They all look significantly better than the previous Blu-ray's. Much more filmic and detailed. Nice colours too.

[NL197 435]

First Contact? Excellent. The Blu-ray for that, Generations and Insurrection look terrible, just as Voyage Home does especially (DNR'd to hell and back)

[Alan 702]

5 minutes ago, NL197 said:

First Contact? Excellent. The Blu-ray for that, Generations and Insurrection look terrible, just as Voyage Home does especially (DNR'd to hell and back)

 

Yeah First Contact is definitely a new master. They still use the old one for the commentary tracks and the difference is instantly noticeable. Much less DNR on all of them that have been updated so far.

[NL197 435]

It was always strange to me, that whenever the Blu-ray bonus features cut to scenes from their films, they were HD, but without the DNR. Generations was obvious. It had grain and more natural colors in the extras than the film itself. 

[Jay 39,428]

That was a very cool conversation about the score, hopefully it is made available to download somewhere, somehow.

I just realized I probably could have recorded it myself!  It didn't even occur to me!

[Manakin Skywalker 5,296]

The pre-DNR scans were also used for the HDTV broadcasts interestingly.

 

 

 

 

Somewhat unrelated, but that was the same case for The Phantom Menace as well...

 

[Doo_liss 6,423]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

 

 

Tim just said it is limited to 10,000 copies due to "new Union rules".  What new union rules?  Does this impact post-2005 scores by any chance?

Does that mean that they wanted to be unlimited but could not? or that they were able to have an larger amount of units because of the new rules?

[Jay 39,428]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Tallguy 4,417]

Shipping! 

[OneBuckFilms 382]

Looks like mine "Shipped". Thank you LaLa Land Employee3.

ETA is quoted as being about 3 days, so Monday or Tuesday I'll be deleting and ripping.

[Doo_liss 6,423]

Awaiting shipment!

[Jay 39,428]

Yep I got my shipped email just under 2 hours ago. Excellent. 

[Tallguy 4,417]

So... NOT this weekend.

[mahler3 479]

Thanks @Jay for listening in and providing commentary!

 

 I was stricken with a bug since late Wednesday evening so I apologise for sounding groggy during most of the show. I’d prerecorded Neil and Deniz on Monday so I was more myself then, thankfully. Deniz messaged me to say that Sara Horner (James Horner’s widow) listened to the full show live last night and enjoyed it, highlighting The Wonder Years segment with Star Trek 2, so that was lovely to hear.

 

Here’s a link to the full show and a longer edit of the Star Trek 2 segment will be in next month’s FSM Online.

Movie Magic TX 290821

 

12 hours ago, Permanent Waves said:

Does that mean that they wanted to be unlimited but could not? or that they were able to have an larger amount of units because of the new rules?

It means that the AFM aren’t charging more reuse fees for larger units. 5,000 used to be the max affordable limit.

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26 minutes ago, mahler3 said:

It means that the AFM aren’t charging more reuse fees for larger units. 5,000 used to be the max affordable limit.

 

That is a very interesting development... wouldn't that mean Intrada can reissue Jaws for another 5000 units without the tracklist changes they previously flagged?

[Jay 39,428]

I thought the first Jaws was already 10,000 like Black Sunday was? 

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10 minutes ago, Jay said:

I thought the first Jaws was already 10,000 like Black Sunday was? 

 

No idea. The listing on Intrada's website doesn't specify a quantity.

[Jay 39,428]

Right, none of Intrada's do, but I thought I remembered Roger saying the number in a post somewhere. I could be wrong. 

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At least it shows the AFM are flexible with changing their policy, I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Doesn't help with the post-2005 issue though, which is what really needs to be fixed. I can't see that changing without a majority vote of members, or an entirely new agreement (neither scenario looks realistic in the foreseeable future).