Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 16 minutes ago, Alex said: When Newt was expelled Dumbledore protested his innocence so there’s probably some sort of bond there already. I think he did the same with Hagrid, no? And he later trusted Hagrid with lots of important and confidential tasks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: I think he did the same with Hagrid, no? And he later trusted Hagrid with lots of important and confidential tasks. Yeah, like letting him stay on the school grounds in a cabin. Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 On 9/25/2018 at 9:37 PM, TheUlyssesian said: Interesting trailer. Too bad they didn't use JNH's main theme and stuck to Williams' theme for the trailer. Last Saturday, I saw a version of a trailer that had both the JW and JNH themes in it. Hedwig, I had kind of expected; but JNH too was truly a massive surprise to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 The 2nd trailer from last summer used JNH's theme, yeah Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 19 hours ago, mrbellamy said: The 2nd trailer from last summer used JNH's theme, yeah Yep that's the one. Such a good theme. It has every right to be a famous well known theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Just realised this Nagini revelation means that Neville Longbottom technically beheaded a Korean woman Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,364 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 "Who will change the future"? Good tagline for a prequel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Crikey movie posters have gotten boring. Could this one possibly be less interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I was going to post the same thing myself but I was so bored just looking at that poster, I couldn't be bothered. Guess it's a perfect encapsulation of everything David Yates represents. Stale, monotone, flat, uninteresting, lifeless, bland, colourless, derivitive, uninspired, etc. Pieter Boelen and Alex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 hours ago, crumbs said: tale, monotone, flat, uninteresting, lifeless, bland, colourless, derivitive, uninspired Nonesense: he's made two of the very best Harry Potter entries. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 The David Yates bashing is getting very stale at this point. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted October 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2018 But he's raping Potter! He completely disregards Rowling's vision and intentions and goes against what the real OG fans want! I don't know why y'all can't see how objectively terrible and agenda-driven these new movies are, and people who think this are definitely the majority. We won't stop until Yates is fired and Heyman steps down as producer of the franchise, it's his fault mostly. Demodex, Bofur01 and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I don't despise Yates, I just feel he had his time. If Cuaron was ever asked I'd hope he might direct one of the FB films, or someone who isn't Yates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Holko said: He completely disregards Rowling's vision and intentions and goes against what the real OG fans want! She seems to be pretty ok with it since she works as a producer on the films. If you've seen the interview with her and Steve Kloves from 2011 you'll see how she is with changes from the source material. This is the only place I've seen much dislike for Yates, it's definitely over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 @Bilbo Holko is parroting Mattris's unruly arguments from the Star Wars disillusionment thread... crumbs and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Yeah and quite clearly my posts are tinged with exaggerated sarcasm. I obviously don't think David Yates is some abomination of a director, just that I feel the franchise would benefit from fresh blood. Six films in a row from the same director? C'mon. He's very one-note and uninspired visually. And that boring-as-batshit poster follows suit. I guess you could say it's similar to Mattris' comedic parody of the toxic anti-Kathleen Kennedy, anti-Rian Johnson, anti-Disney troll persona. It's biting satire you rarely see outside The Onion. His ability to stay in character has certainly impressed me. Arpy and Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 Ah sorry, I stay out of that thread because the guy is a fucking loony. I actually enjoy the consistency of having one director in charge all the time. It gives the world a more consistent feel. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, crumbs said: He's very one-note and uninspired visually. Again, not true. While Cuaron's Prisoner of Azkaban is the most inventive with regards to camera movement, its David Yates' Half-Blood Prince that boasts the most well-composed imagery, with regards to framing. And like @Bilbo I enjoy it when a single filmmaker is allowed to craft a franchise in its entirety: both on the grounds of consistency, and by simply allowing such a filmmaker to paint on such a large canvas. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 It's called an opinion Chen G. I find his films compositionally dull with very little scenery to chew on, which is completely at odds with the "magical" universe he's supposed to be painting. Glad to hear it works for you but, for me, nothing he's done has come close to the genius of Cuaron (but who has?) Holko and Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I'm not entirely sure that I like Cuaron's Prisoner of Azkaban more than Yates' Order of the Phoenix. And as the films progress, it holds that this magical world would be presented in a more matter-of-fact way. I find it much more effective than Columbus' camera closing-up on every bit of magic and every magical artifact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted October 10, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Bilbo said: The David Yates bashing is getting very stale at this point. What really needs to happen is for Zimmer to score a Yates Potterverse film. Then just log in and watch the fun. Bilbo, Chen G. and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 JWFan would explode! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Chen G. said: I'm not entirely sure that I like Cuaron's Prisoner of Azkaban more than Yates' Order of the Phoenix. Die. I will agree with you @Chen G. that at least there's a consistency to Yates' work, but is it worth it for films that look visually bland and lifeless? crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I don't think that they look bland in the slightest: his framing is great, and he isn't too extreme with the digital grading - that dishonor goes to The Goblet of Fire. I especially like some of the photographical choices in his Deathly Hallows Part 1. The more frenetic camerawork serves as a good visual representation of the characters' wandering, and I like some of the small touches like the harsh, fluorescent light during the fight with the snake. I think lots of people around here mistake grim and depressing for "lifeless" or "souless". That a story is a downer, doesn't make it a lesser. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I didn't imply that Yates' Potter films were @Chen G. just that the magic and joie de vivre for the series as a whole was drained, not just by Yates, but a a whole host of cinematographic changes that affected the visuals. Something tells me that Yates enjoys grey, washed out, dull looking films. There are certain sequences in Order of the Phoenix I think are spectacular, several artistic choices that Yates made that stand out from the rest of the series. I would say Half-Blood Prince really takes to Yates' style as the story is darker, and demands that grey visual palette that Fantastic Beasts would later be draped in for some reason. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Look, I totally get the "life being drained out of the Potter world" excuse for those films. It served as a metaphor for the storyline unfolding. My issue is that you can create a "darker" film visually without just pressing the desaturate button on the whole image, which is incredibly lazy (and Yates has it down to a fine art). And once again, I only need to point towards what Cuaron did with the visuals in Azkaban to demonstrate how it can be done. Secondly, that excuse no longer washes when he's continuing with the same flat, drab, lifeless and colourless approach in these new movies. He clearly just prefers shooting these practically grayscale visuals. Fine, whatever. I just don't like it! At least his taste in music has improved. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 There’s a reason Yates has only ever directed one non-Potter film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 To me, the measure of a film's visual style is less in the color palette and more in the filmmaker's choices of how to stage the frames, where to place the camera and when and how to move the camera. It may be less easy for the uninitiated to hang onto (at least conciously) but none the less these are the bare essentials of directing, NOT the choice of saturation level. In those senses, David Yates is a good filmmaker. 1 hour ago, Arpy said: magic and joie de vivre for the series as a whole was drained Yes. Appropriately so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Funny that WB paid the big money to get Johnny Depp in their franchise and then doesn't put his face on the poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 I had fun today! Marian Schedenig and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted October 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 11, 2018 The whole Yates thing to me is that he's just very austere in his approach to all this stuff. On the one hand, I can appreciate that these movies are classier than say, your average Bruckheimer outing (to make a cheap shot) But the thing that keeps coming up with me is there's really only ever one interesting thing going on at a time onscreen with these latest movies, and since Yates rarely goes in closer than medium-wide, it just gets kinda dull to watch over 2.5 hours. The ensemble stuff in the Potters were really guilty of this. Just a lot of people standing around watching one thing (and if they are doing something tangential in the background, it's more of a pose than an action...this happens with Marvel too) This stuff feels contrived to me. Even smaller interactions like this one in Beasts, I remember this clip premiering before the movie and it was that same gripe. One thing happening at a time. One moment that really sticks out is that private look between Tina and Newt....time stops. Queenie just waits for that to play out before turning to Jacob, why would she? I'm just imagining a version in my head where Tina/Newt share that moment WHILE Queenie flirts with Jacob. By the way, would have made the movie that much shorter! There are a lot of scenes with examples like this, I find myself distracted by stuff normal people would do that's not happening in his films. It's not that it's incompetent, just...slow and not that interesting. And I think it contributes to people feeling like the wizarding world is less magical despite all the magical stuff happening. Less lived-in. Countering with a little group scene from Azkaban I always enjoyed. A less amusing version of this scene would probably have Neville sitting upright, the tie removed from Seamus's head, Dean would be fully focused on his friends instead of half-reading his magazine, Ron would wait for Seamus to finish his impression before saying "You call that a monkey. Do not give him one again" etc. This is just a nice scene with a few comic beats that are all kinda collapsed together. Small variety of visual cues like posture and wardrobe that reveal personality. Seems improvised but it's clearly not since the kids and the camera have all these marks they're hitting. Just feels more candid and less like a movie. The Yates stuff is clean and controlled but not as much fun. Holko, crumbs, Chen G. and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 5 hours ago, Alex said: There’s a reason Yates has only ever directed one non-Potter film He's been a little busy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 Yeah, he’s was on Potter, then did Tarzan, and then went into Fantastic Beasts... when was he supposed to do something else? He’ll have spent most of the year in CoG post and then onto pre-prod for FB3 which starts filming next summer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 He had other projects that he was developing as well before Beasts interrupted. I recall a WWII film and a drama with Emma Watson. And to his credit, that Tarzan film did respectable box-office despite being predicted DOA by entertainment journalists, analysts and the like. So he’s doing something right. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 In my opinion he limits the potential of every films he directs which is frustrating for me as a massive HP fan. Just think it’s time to inject some fresh ideas into the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Jay said: Funny that WB paid the big money to get Johnny Depp in their franchise and then doesn't put his face on the poster I’m glad they didn’t. Honestly, despite my affection for the books and movies, his presence is literally almost enough to make me pass on this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 But he is on the posters, he even has his own 'character' poster' with him in the centre - the latest one has his back facing the front - lust like his first appearance in FB1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Seems like movie 3 is going to Rio https://mobile.twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1057978527260262401 Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Yeah, that’s been speculated for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 How they gonna make Leavesden look like Rio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Green screen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Inflatable palm trees Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 5, 2018 - Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them - Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald - Fantastic Beasts: Furious Drift - Fantastic and Furious - Fantastic 5 - Fast and Beasty 6 - Furious Beasts - Fate of the Beasts. Luka, Bayesian and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Seems like Crimes of Grindelwald is the first film of the Harry Potter series to have a “rotten” score on Rotten Tomatoes, debuting at 54%. I was not expecting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 The more useful Metascore stands at 62, 9 positive, 8 mixed reviews. More will come though. https://www.metacritic.com/movie/fantastic-beasts-the-crimes-of-grindelwald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Aggregate scores tend to settle on some early number and then, as more reviews come in, gradually go down - not up. Doesn't impress me, though: Rotten or not, I'll probably still like it more than The Chamber of Secrets. That is, if I'd be inclined to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I adore the first film but as soon as Depp appeared at the end, I didn't like where it was going to go. I still think Colin Farrel was brilliant and should have been Grindelwald. We need a proper menacingly creepy performance from a villain in the Potter universe, and Farrell did that perfectly in the first film, but Depp immediately became a cartoon with his overall look and performance. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 - Critics' reactions to The Crimes of Grindlewald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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