Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I just figured I'd help a fellow fan out and actually list the exact info he was looking for, rather than referring to cue lists he'd have to search through to figure out what ended up where. It was a legitimate question. Oh, well. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Thats why you were always the better Moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 No Marc I agree, your response for him was perfect! Mr. Breathmask 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I enjoy the 20th Anniversary album tracks. I've said it before, they are very well-edited in the style of the best Williams albums and fit right in with OST program as if they had always been there. Without the edits to make some musical sense out of the complete score, you're left with awkward abrupt ends to cues such as Incident at Isla Nublar and Race to the Docks. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 While the vast majority of my future listenings will occur in chronological order, I agree that those tracks are pretty well assembled. They flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Can one sythn choir perform better than another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The age-old question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 The oldest one of all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 But in the beginning, didn't God create Adam to love synth? Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Having listened to the La-La Land presentation for weeks now, I have to say that regarding the listening experience the OST of Jurassic Park flows better, because of the relatively short running time of many tracks and the kind some tracks end. But The Lost World is better on the LLL Edition as the tracks are all at least 2 minutes long, besides the OST lacks a bunch of aspects of the score itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 On 2017-01-16 at 7:04 PM, Josh500 said: /---/ if it's been done by the artist himself (i.e. John Williams) it's something different entirely. I always respect and appreciate that. Hmm... regarding the bonus tracks on the 20th, is it confirmed that these were chosen and edited (well, perhaps not edited, but at least supervised) by JW? When I think about it, it seems unlikely that he would go back to 20 year-old tracks to edit them anew... Perhaps it was done by the studio and then only with the composer's approval - or *gasp* not even that!!!! How do we know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 I don't know if I really understand exactly what it is you are asking, the way your question is worded. Can you try rewording it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 To what degree was JW involved when it came to the bonus tracks on the 20th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, rough cut said: To what degree was JW involved when it came to the bonus tracks on the 20th? JW approved it. What's so hard to understand about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 IIRC JW's music editor assembled the new tracks with suggestions from Williams, who then signed off on the edits. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I'll take some other guy's edits over Williams' modern edits. Someone else surely would have never edited the best part of Anakin's Dark Deeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 I don't think the process of combining cues for the 20th's bonus tracks was any different than when first assembling an OST for a new score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Yeah, it feels like a pretty seamless continuation of his combinations on the OST. I actually find the new tracks to be quite good edits... now that we have the LLL release. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Anybody else always expects to hear "Falling Car" right after "Incident"? In the movie, they are far apart, but somehow these 2 cues belong together! For a long time (after 1993) I even thought this is one continuous piece, and a hell of a good one... Until I realized this is made up of two separate cues. Amer and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,110 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 36 minutes ago, Josh500 said: Anybody else always expects to hear "Falling Car" right after "Incident"? In the movie, they are far apart, but somehow these 2 cues belong together! For a long time (after 1993) I even thought this is one continuous piece, and a hell of a good one... Until I realized this is made up of two separate cues. Yes. Same here. Its one of the best segues of the two cues. Of course, we are all used to it.It will take time to unburn that memory. I'll play my new set this week end. Its gonna be a great ride. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,715 Posted January 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2017 Hatching Baby Raptor, Incident at Isla Nublar and My Friends the Brachiosaurus OSTs edits are masterfully done. Each features "sibling" cues that fit very well together in tone and energy almost as if they were designed that way. No wonder JW used the album edit of My Friends the Brachiosaurus as the basis for the concert version. Pieter Boelen, Josh500, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,317 Posted January 19, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2017 I can't unhear Hammond's Plan into The Long Grass, either. Pieter Boelen, Josh500, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, crumbs said: I can't unhear Hammond's Plan into The Long Grass, either. I had a personal edit of TLW so long that I nowadays separate them pretty easily but I have to admit that the last time I listened to the complete score I still waited for those drums to come in after the Island Fanfare faded away. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I can't unhear Hammond's Plan into The Long Grass, either. Same here! It fits, it fits wonderfully! Not cinematically, but musically! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Well half the track does! I wonder if Williams just slotted that track there to troll fans into thinking Hammond would play a role in getting the characters off the island in the second half of the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well half the track does! I wonder if Williams just slotted that track there to troll fans into thinking Hammond would play a role in getting the characters off the island in the second half of the film? No. Without seeing the movie, how would we know that The Long Grass included in the track? Of course, if we'd seen the movie, we'd know that didn't happen. I think it just fits musically.... I'm always fascinated by these random combinations. Like I said before, if it's done by the composer or with the approval of the composer, I respect that. It's one form of artistic statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Josh500 said: No. Without seeing the movie, how would we know that The Long Grass included in the track? Of course, if we'd seen the movie, we'd know that didn't happen. I think he meant including Revealing the Plans in track 8 on the OST, while it's actually the second of Williams' compositions to be heard in the movie. The tracklist reads as if Hammond comes up with a plan after Sarah has been rescued. crumbs and Kasey Kockroach 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Ah gotcha. Well, that could be. A little red herring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,317 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 What @Mr. Breathmask said. It was clearly a prelude to Qui-Gon's Noble End. JW's trolling was just getting started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 25 minutes ago, crumbs said: What @Mr. Breathmask said. It was clearly a prelude to Qui-Gon's Noble End. JW's trolling was just getting started! Yes I see what you mean, although I wouldn't exactly call it trolling... Most OS albums are released BEFORE the movie opens, so it could be a calculated move (maybe at the suggestion of Spielberg) not to disclose the exact plot of the movie.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I recently made a complete score edit in OST style (just for fun), so I connected around 30 tracks to around 15 tracks (of each score) so that they fit musically and thematically. I changed my edits until they all segued perfectly. After I listened to these edits many times I got totally used to them. Then I asked several friend who were not used to the scores at all to spot the segue - they hardly found any of them. So all those edited cues are not predestinated to segue, but it is just a matter of whether you are used to certain edits or not. There are theoretically thousands of combinations possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Josh500 1,615 Posted February 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2017 So anybody else blown away by Ludlow's Speech? Coz I still am. Before I got this set, I wasn't even aware of this cue, it wasn't even on my radar (haha!). Williams seems to be just goofing around here, it seems that effortless, like he's saying to himself, "OK, a little conspiratorial cue, let's see what I can come up with?" I mean, this is one mind-blowingly catchy cue. JW is channeling "The Conspirators" and "Dennis Steals The Embryos" here. Jay, Arpy and Taikomochi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 Yes, definitely one of the "unexpected" highlights of the new set for me as well! Taikomochi and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 It was always my favorite as a kid...now that I hear it clean, it's the most beautiful thing I ever heard! No, but seriously, that's a great cue. One of many that I'm beyond thrilled to finally have. Getting a complete TLW has been everything I hoped it would be. Taikomochi and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,715 Posted February 4, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 4, 2017 5 hours ago, Datameister said: Getting a complete TLW has been everything I hoped it would be. I.e. complete. crumbs, Will, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Now that we have the complete TLW, I have a hard time deciding which Complete JW score is my next holy grail. But I'd say: 1. Prisoner of Azkaban 2. Phantom Menace 3. JFK Let's hope we'll get all three within a year or two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 I wouldn't mind a six disc box set of the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 27 minutes ago, rough cut said: I wouldn't mind a six disc box set of the prequels. Even A.I. got 3 CDs. Pretty sure TPM, if done right, gets 3CDs as well. AOTC and ROTS only require 2 each, I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 To be realistic, we'll probably all be dead by the time the complete Prequel scores are released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Rose Dawson said: To be realistic, we'll probably all be dead by the time the complete Prequel scores are released. YOU maybe because, you know, Titanic is about to hit the iceberg, but not me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 king mark will eventually be the only surviving member of JWFan, having waited 700 years in a temple like the Grail Knight. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 And me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 You'll be long forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Johnny will probably outlive us all.... Scoring Star Wars Episode XXVIII. Pieter Boelen and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 3 hours ago, Josh500 said: Even A.I. got 3 CDs. Pretty sure TPM, if done right, gets 3CDs as well. I'd be perfectly happy with a well executed 2cd set. A. A. Ron and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted February 4, 2017 Author Share Posted February 4, 2017 I predict we'll get new 2CD sets of each of the original six Star Wars scores by 2020 at the latest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 That might make living through the Trumpsidency worth it. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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