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    Datameister got a reaction from oierem in SPOILER TALK: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny   
    Yeah, at this point, there'd been one Indiana Jones film in the last 34 years, and it had been the target of a lot of derision. Beyond that, DoD had other factors stacked against it:
     
    No Spielberg/Lucas involvement People who took issue with Harrison's age in KOTCS had 15 years' more fuel The 8-year lag after the film's development was made publicly official The baggage of the SW ST's decidedly mixed reception Movie theaters aren't exactly bustling post-covid Marketing was so-so And of course, ultimately, the film just never really justifies its own existence. KOTCS, for all its flaws, gave us a relatively lighthearted glimpse at Indy's life as an older man and closed out with a happy ending. DoD plays like a weirdly sad epilogue that wipes out that happy ending, only giving back a bit of it in the last few minutes.
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    Datameister got a reaction from ThePenitentMan1 in SPOILER TALK: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny   
    Yeah, at this point, there'd been one Indiana Jones film in the last 34 years, and it had been the target of a lot of derision. Beyond that, DoD had other factors stacked against it:
     
    No Spielberg/Lucas involvement People who took issue with Harrison's age in KOTCS had 15 years' more fuel The 8-year lag after the film's development was made publicly official The baggage of the SW ST's decidedly mixed reception Movie theaters aren't exactly bustling post-covid Marketing was so-so And of course, ultimately, the film just never really justifies its own existence. KOTCS, for all its flaws, gave us a relatively lighthearted glimpse at Indy's life as an older man and closed out with a happy ending. DoD plays like a weirdly sad epilogue that wipes out that happy ending, only giving back a bit of it in the last few minutes.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Bayesian in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister reacted to King Mark in Did you get the Dial of Destiny soundtrack on the CD format before it sold out?   
    I might buy it if they sell it elsewhere eventually.
     
    But in a way I don't really care. It's the worst assembled OST since the ToD and Return of the Jedi days
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    Datameister got a reaction from BB-8 in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I'm no fan of this digital-only approach, but in all fairness, CD doesn't have a sound quality advantage over lossless downloads. I went with Qobuz for exactly that reason.
     
    But yeah, I still miss the packaging and the notes. Feels like something is missing from my shelf.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Trope in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Will in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Andy in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister got a reaction from ragoz350 in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Holko in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Jay in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Bellosh in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Not Mr. Big in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    My track-by-track reactions as I finally listen to the OST for the first time, after seeing the film once and otherwise having no exposure to the music:
    Prologue to Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny: Really strong opening to the album. Truly feels like a overture, in a good way. Love how it hits so many themes. Starts us off on the right foot with no quotes of old material. Helena's Theme: Not as catchy as some of JW's more tuneful writing in past decades, but beautiful and interesting. And something you won't get to hear from any other working film composers. Germany, 1944: Aaaaaand there go the verbatim quotes of previous scores. Boo. What a relief to mostly return to new material for the second half. That being said, in the film and on album, I do really like the choice to end this sequence with the unused tag from the end of Raiders' credits. To Morocco: Nice choice in terms of album flow. Voller Returns: I dig the unsettling underscore and bits of villain and MacGuffin themes. Again, great choice in terms of album sequencing. Auction at Hotel L'Atlantique: Our first bit of outright comedic material on the album. I thought the KOTCS OST brought this in too early with "The Snake Pit." This works much better. Then I get annoyed with the Tintin lifts in the last half, as I did in the film. But it's brilliant writing, and with time, I'm sure I'll grow to like it on its own terms. Tuk Tuk in Tangers: It is a miracle that this nonagenarian can still mickey mouse his way through an action sequence in a way that sounds so fresh, exciting, and musically satisfying. It's obviously Williams music, but it doesn't feel redundant with his previous scores. Bravo. To Athens: I remembered the traveling music feels more authentically Indiana Jones than the visuals onscreen. So nice to hear it on album - great unique statements of Helena's and Indy's themes. Another strong track. Perils of the Deep: Pretty subdued "breather" track. The reharmonization of Marion's theme at the end is interesting. Water Ballet: Love the creepy stuff. And again, NOT at all redundant with the series' previous creepy music. The creative use of piano, percussion, and even organ is  Polybius Cipher: Similar to material we've already heard on the album. Kind of a curious inclusion. The Graphikos: My attention wandered a bit. But not bad. I continue to enjoy the dissonant misterioso keyboard figures. The buildup toward the end is cool. Archimedes' Tomb: Nice to hear the return of some of the thematic material for the titular dial. Or for Archimedes himself? I can't recall. The Airport: I like the urgent, serious interpolations of the themes for Helana and the villains. Gearing up for the climax of the film and album! Battle of Syracuse: More unique action writing, befitting the Grecian setting. Love it. Great climax to the action of the film. Centuries Join Hands: Not much to say, other than I like it! New York, 1969: A less than satisfying conclusion to the main part of the album. I could have done without the masterful but overly familiar KOTC setting of Marion's theme. The end of the film proper is a disappointment, and it's no better on album, sadly. I'm glad the credits version of the Raiders March at least closes things out. Helena's Theme (For Violin and Orchestra): The theme is so well-suited to solo violin, and to Mutter's playing specifically. A great contribution to these two artists' fruitful collaboration, and a joy in terms of pure music, regardless of whether it fits the character. Overall notes:
    There's something that feels a little different about the quality of the recording itself, compared to other recent Williams recordings in LA. I think I like it. It's surprising that we get so much "close" sound from spot mics on the piano, celeste, and harp ... and still more surprising that I enjoy it. Normally I prefer a wetter, more distant sound. The celeste is also very much not the Potter sound, which is a nice change from, say, KOTCS or Tintin. Still hate that I couldn't buy this on CD, especially because ... ... I enjoyed the album way more than I expected! It really de-emphasizes the verbatim or near-verbatim quotes of old material, favoring stuff that not only is new, but feels new. Again, it's incredible that a man in his 90s can still bring music into being without it all feeling like a rehash. Frankly, it did feel like a rehash in the film to me, due to all the quotes. Not here. What a sublime surprise. I'm really looking forward to giving this another listen. (And many more afterward!) Is it on the level of Raiders or TOD? Of course not. But when it focuses on doing something new, rather than retreading the brilliance of the past, it becomes a truly worthy addition to the Williams canon.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Brónach in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    60 to 70% of which we've already been hearing for at least a few decades. 
     
    Sorry. Just not fond of the COS/Home Alone 2/DOD approach that relies so heavily on existing material. TLJ has some of that too. At JW's age, he's earned the chance to take this approach now, but I can't enjoy it the way I enjoy a score that makes minimal use of stuff he's already written.
  21. Haha
    Datameister got a reaction from Brónach in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    Buy it... if you are prepared to be impressed by John Williams' ability to maintain his high standards of adventure and romanticism in this rousing conclusion to a nostalgic franchise.

    Avoid it... on the album if you expect a satisfying presentation of the music heard in the film, Williams emphasizing suite arrangements that don't always reflect the personality of the score itself.
  22. Haha
    Datameister got a reaction from Jurassic Shark in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    Buy it... if you are prepared to be impressed by John Williams' ability to maintain his high standards of adventure and romanticism in this rousing conclusion to a nostalgic franchise.

    Avoid it... on the album if you expect a satisfying presentation of the music heard in the film, Williams emphasizing suite arrangements that don't always reflect the personality of the score itself.
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    Datameister got a reaction from ThePenitentMan1 in SPOILER TALK: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny   
    "Casually murdering people" is a rope bridge too far. Numerous rope bridges, really. The folks he kills are trying pretty hard to kill him first, typically.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Bellosh in SPOILER TALK: Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny   
    I got the impression he didn't bump on it because she didn't start going by Mary till after they'd parted ways. He never knew her as a Mary—certainly not Mary Williams. And besides … "there were a lot of Marys, kid."
     
    But the rest of your points stand, absolutely.
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    Datameister got a reaction from Docteur Qui in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Hedwig's Theme was so titled before JW had seen any of the film. The original short version was written based on his impressions of the first book and it was expanded into a few versions for the trailers. Then he used it where it felt right in the actual film score and arranged a full-length credits version based on the trailer cues. That version made it onto the OST with the Hedwig's Theme name.
     
     
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