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Giacchino will score Thor: Love and Thunder
 

Hardly surprising. If Williams could wring an aces score out of something like The Rise of Skywalker...

Okay quick thoughts since I know you guys are waiting
 
End credits order is Indy fanfare for the main credits (that appear one at a time) Maybe 2-2.5 mins Helena's theme begins when the scrolling portion starts. Full suite played. Following that - seemed to be like another suite, going through as many as 4-5 themes. Most of these are sinisite / villain or macguffin themes. I think there are 2-3 villain themes and 2-3 macguffin themes. This is where the credits end, the Indy fanfare is not reprised after the villain suite. (This could be a film cue too). Some other thoughts 
 
Honest to god, score is mixed well. None of should be able to complain. I could hear it throughout, but was I paying attention to it all the time? That's a different question. Guys, I am at Cannes and let me tell you this is a very tough place to watch movies. You are always exhausted and can't always focus.  Helena's theme in the score proper is frankly okay. It kinda even sounds different than the suite. There are several villainous themes as I noted above, they are good. I couldn't detect a direct Dial theme - it has some motifs for sure but I dunno if I might call it a direct theme. But then again, my mind is half shot at this point. I think there are some straight lifts from Tintin. I think the Tintin End Credits piece is ripped off for one of the set pieces. Almost note for note. B part of Indy's theme is also used.  
If you have any questions, I can try to answer. But I'm in screenings all day long and don't really have much of a chance to check my phone.
 
Edit: orchestration and conducting is credited to Williams and Ross.

My interpretation is that TROS sucked.

Another director Giacchino-ed successfully. 

Michael Giacchino to Reteam with Taika Waititi on Next Goal Wins
 
I'm imagining this will be a smaller score like Jojo Rabbit, but I'm curious to hear what Giacchino comes up with!
 
Since this is his third collaboration with Waititi, I'm hopeful that means there's a good chance he will score Waititi's Star Wars film too. I like Rogue One (especially "Your Father Would Be Proud"), but I would love to hear a Giacchino Star Wars score that isn't rushed!

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So here's the deal. Opinions such as these are perfectly valid to post:
 
 
 
 
And nobody here should ever make people feel they can't share opinions such as that!
 
 
HOWEVER, it is not implied that this therefore gives anyone free reign to repeatedly, in close proximity to each other within a thread, continually be negative about something over and over again.  We actually have a clause in the rules about a persistent negative attitude.  Again, negative opinions are absolutely allowed, but you cannot be surprised or offended if you make a series of negative posts in a single thread, and that then people might want to speak up and defend the subject matter at hand.  As a general rule of thumb, what tends to be the procedure is, once you have stated a negative opinion, you can back out and let people who enjoy the thing that you have a negative opinion on enjoy it, instead of continually returning to repeat your negative opinion.  In this particular case, it might have made more sense to start a new thread discussing Giacchino's body of work instead of cluttering up a thread where people are just trying to talk about one particular score of his.
 
 
Additionally, statements like this?
 
 
That's closer to just straight up libel than an opinion which deserves to be protected here.  I would give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you are being very passionate about your opinions on him in general, however your followup posts paint a more clearer picture that to me reads like you just wanted to come in here and make a bold claim to purposely get people riled up and have a heated debate with you about Giacchino.  Just look at how combative you get in all these followup posts:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I think that your reactions to what others are saying are consistently kicking things up a notch from the tone others have, and feels to me like an attempt to bring everyone up to a combative level, when nobody else was trying to do that at all.
 
To be clear, it's completely valid and on topic to debate the merits of The Batman's score, good and bad, in this thread, and it's perfectly fine to discuss Giacchino's body of work, good and bad, maybe not necessarily in this thread, but on this forum in general.  Everybody should feel they are allowed to post negative opinions about his body of work and positive opinions about his body of work.  You don't need to make up claims about what he is trying to be to do so, and you don't need to call every opinion different than yours an "attack".
 
 
Finally, this idea you attempt to make?
 
 
 
 
I have to stop you right there and say: NO, no no!  First of all, we are not a forum consisting of some group-think mentality that everything JW does is perfect gold, and everything every other composer does is lesser.  We are a forum full of independent people with their own independent opinions of JW and other's works, and every opinion is allowed to be shared here.
 
Sure, the forum started in 1999 as a forum dedicated to the works of John Williams, but of course in the 23 years since it has evolved into a full film music discussion forum where everyone can talk about any score they want.  It is not a requirement to like the music of John Williams to use our forum!
 
Sure, many of us do think he's the best composer ever (myself included), but that does not mean I have to look down on every other composer just because they aren't as good as him.
 
So yes, people are absolutely allowed to love the music of Giacchino, or even consider him the best composer ever, on this John Williams forum!  Again - all opinions are valid!
 
 
So to wrap up, I think it's time to return this thread to being specifically about The Batman's score - there's still alot to discuss about it.
 
If people want to have a civilized discussion about Giacchino's body of work, absolutely feel free to do so in a thread dedicated to such a thing, and in that thread, everyone should be respectful of other's opinions, but also should not make bold claims that can't be backed up or repeat the same things ad nauseum that don't let an actual discussion happen organically.
 
Thanks!

I think it is possible to enjoy all sorts of music for all sorts of reasons. There's no one who writes symphonic music like John Williams these days, no one disputes that. It's not even about talent, people are not being trained in the same wa or use same tools. It's just what it is.
 
But it's also difficult to compare the popularity of Williams to someone like Zimmer as this is not necessarily the same type of crowd. I have no problem liking both, they have nothing in common so I get at least some variety.
 
Giacchino is a good dramatist and, by all accounts, very good person to work with. And he clearly has interest in other filmmaking aspects so that makes him an ideal collaborator. It is not a surpise he's in demand. 
 
Can't we just be friends?
 
Karol

Your comment is phoned in and uninspiring. I would also like to know how you've managed to reach so far up your own arse in order to pull the bullshit idea that he thinks he's the next Williams - a claim he would readily dismiss right off the bat (no Batman pun intended).
 
I also find it amusing when people say (about any composer or musician) that they haven't written anything memorable when these composers and musicians are hired for this trait and are admired by millions of people for it. 
 
So, you might not hate Giacchino, but you certainly hate the idea of his success...

I like Rogue One's score. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

No, dude. Don't you know that John Williams is a petty stuck up bitch who thinks that Giacchino is a hack--conveniently like the majority of JWFan?

I think the score is quite consistently entertaining from start to finish. I mentioned that before, even earlier today, but it brings back the fond memories of older Giacchino scores for video games (MOH and SWON). It has that slightly harsh WWII vibe that fits the film well. I don't think this is any worse than those, to be perfectly honest, so it is puzzling for me so many people cannot connect to this score. Perhaps, it is because this sort of Williams pastiche is now directly following in maestro's footsteps? True, this is nowhere near JW in terms of quality, and also below John Powell's score, but is it really a disaster? To me, this is as entertaining and fun as Giacchino music gets.
 
I modified the playlist slightly to address a few minor issues with this release. And I'm quite happy.  😊 
 
Karol

This will be wildly unpopular but I maintain TLJ was the best made film of the Disney era

I was puzzled by the sample, but hearing the full track won me over.  It's certainly out of left field, but I like it a lot!  Goransson proving once again he's the right person because of the boldness of his musical voice and choices.
 
The vocalizing reminds me somewhat of some of the Maori chanting rituals I've seen, I wonder if he arrived at that as an inspiration through Morrison?
 

Giacchino will score Thor: Love and Thunder
 

Giacchino will score Thor: Love and Thunder
 

You're not alone

*sitting over here loving Rogue One*

If Joker can win an Oscar for what essentially amounts to sound design, this score surely takes the cake. Zimmer fell asleep at his computer and when his head hit the keyboard, the autofill created Dune The Score.

I think we now know why Williams chose not to put these on the album. Falcon Flight always seemed to be a little too different from the Williams sound and it seems that Haab's music laid the foundation for it.
 
There's also similarities with Solo. Battlefront II was seemingly composed first. Haab said he was surprised when he saw Solo in the theater because of this.
 
 
 

Michael Giacchino Unveils First Track from His Debut Solo Album.
 
The “Travelogue: Volume 1” vinyl is available for pre-order from Mondo Records’ online store now. The label’s Death Waltz Originals imprint will release the album on streaming platforms, digital retailers, and independent record shops on October 30.
 
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/michael-giacchino-non-soundtrack-album-release-single-1234590482/
 
 
 
 

Michael Giacchino Unveils First Track from His Debut Solo Album.
 
The “Travelogue: Volume 1” vinyl is available for pre-order from Mondo Records’ online store now. The label’s Death Waltz Originals imprint will release the album on streaming platforms, digital retailers, and independent record shops on October 30.
 
https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/michael-giacchino-non-soundtrack-album-release-single-1234590482/
 
 
 
 

I'm not actually a massive fan of the SW Main Title. That being said I really enjoyed assembling my personal playlist of TLJ which starts with The Rebellion is Reborn, which then leads to... well, here you go. 😄
 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1c7_drpSdTytWvespnxgWYuCLO0AU2stc/view?usp=sharing