Quintus 5,399 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 17 minutes ago, Lewya said: Just baffling how much hate this score is getting, I don't think I have ever seen a Williams score getting this much hate/dislikes before. I just find it interesting. You never heard of an echo chamber? Every single time I've listened to tracks on YouTube the general comments (and Likes) have been extremely positive, but reading you guys here, the impression that is almost revellingly painted is one of absolute hatred and rejection. A sad fallacy and telling reflection of the more obsessive JW/Star Wars fans. It's fucking tedious now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,070 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The only place I see negative reactions is in this thread. Most everyone and their grandmother loved this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I've seen more positive reactions than negative. My friends (non-film score enthusiasts) absolutely loved the music. They commented on how "magical" the Jedi Steps scene was to them mostly because of the music. Why are the negative reviews getting all the attention?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 [David Brent]Ooo, some new Star Wars music doesn't seem to be universally loved and embraced, Ooo, I can't cope, my life is over, Ooo Ooo...[/David Brent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,144 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I think a lot of people, myself included, are just curious as to how an opinion so directly opposite of mine, the opinion that believes this score is an absolute masterpiece, could form and based on what. I feel very strongly one way, and want to understand why people feel so strongly the other way. I'm not upset about it. It just seems bizarre, so I am curious! Overall, reaction seems very positive, but I'd wager this is the Star Wars score with the most vocal criticism. Whether or not that equates to the score being overall less liked is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 15 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: I think a lot of people, myself included, are just curious as to how an opinion so directly opposite of mine, the opinion that believes this score is an absolute masterpiece, could form and based on what. I feel very strongly one way, and want to understand why people feel so strongly the other way. I'm not upset about it. It just seems bizarre, so I am curious! What constitutes a masterful score (or even a good score) often differs wildly between score fans and the general masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,144 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Yes, that is true. I just happen to be interested in discussing that very subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 5 hours ago, Lhokne Mulb said: The only place I see negative reactions is in this thread. Most everyone and their grandmother loved this score. My grandmother hates it and says you suck. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,991 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/01/force-awakens-fugue/ Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,144 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Now that's a headline I can get behind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 56 minutes ago, Taikomochi said: Overall, reaction seems very positive, but I'd wager this is the Star Wars score with the most vocal criticism. I'm always surprised that I have to explain stuff like this to people; but of course it is has "the most vocal criticism" of any of the Star Wars scores. Why? Because we're in 2015 and online social media is a massive part of the civilised and connected world. Revenge of the Sith (the last Star Wars movie) came out in 2005, in a time when comments sections on websites (the great source of JWfan woes) and which featured quality free streaming media no less were in their absolute infancy - have you any idea how crude and basic YouTube was in 2005? The year of its founding, as it happens. Of course this new Star Wars and its soundtrack are seeing relatively unprecedented amounts of post release discussion and debate [on the internet]. That's how it is for anything big these days. You stating in big bold lettering, as if to make some sort of point, that Star Wars music or friggin' Adele for that matter is receiving large amounts of "vocal" criticism (I use inverted commas there because it isn't really vocal at all) is actually completely meaningless and about as captain obvious as it gets. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,144 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 You seem to be very offended by my point even though it wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you. I did not bold it to make any sort of argument, just to draw attention to the distinction I was making. I'm not sure why you have zero'd in so heavily on that. I agree that the prevalence of the internet is probably a factor, but I don't think that completely accounts for the reaction we have seen. I'd say proportionally, there is more negative criticism of the scores than before, not just that there is physically more, and I don't feel more online presence explains that, at least not entirely. Honestly, you seem more upset about the reaction than anyone else here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 You obviously don't know me very well. Idiocy and a total lack of commonsense in the people I share message boards with are what get me upset. Not opposing views to my own. The internet, sorry, the world, would be a boring place if we all liked the same things. And yes; this entire narrative that has developed here in the last week or so that is John Williams fans worrying about what other people on the internet think about their precious Star Wars score, is most irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,144 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Quintus, I respect your viewpoint and think you have a lot valuable to say. I even think you brought up a good point up above. I do not wish to have a heated argument with you, and I am not entirely sure why you feel the need to verbally attack someone else who has politely expressed a different viewpoint. I find it unpleasant, and, in the past, it has been what has driven me to leave this forum for months/years at a time, you specifically. In any case, I am just blocking/ignoring/whatever it is called this time, but I generally have respected your input, so hopefully you will consider why you feel the need to make someone else feel bad about themselves and their opinions who does not wish that for you. If you really find my posts so offensive, I ask you do the same. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 For clarification, I wasn't specifically calling you personally an idiot just then. Reading it back, it does seem that way, so I apologise. It was a generalisation. My comments were more a culmination of the past week spent trawling through the disgruntled fan wank which has seen parts of JWFan moaning about random ramblings on other websites and then trying to pass them off as the meta conclusion of it all. Again, sorry for biting your head off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,338 Posted January 6, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2016 Williams Phones It In... ByA customeron May 12, 1999 Format: Audio CD When listening to Duel of the Fates, I often have to check and make sure that I haven't popped in a CD from the Indiana Jones Trilogy. Modern movie music, much like movies themselves, may be devoid of innovative and creative energies (opting instead for proven (read:stale) products), but in a moment of supreme irony, Williams cribs off himself. Don't get me wrong, I love Star Wars, and this album is not "bad," it just lacks inspiration. Its five parts Star Wars, four parts Raiders/Temple of Doom, and two parts Danny Elfman. Also, there is a huge spoiler among the song titles (not an unexpected plot element, but still...) The original Star Wars sound track blows "Phantom" away ByA customeron May 13, 1999 Format: Audio CD Lest you have any doubt that the "Phantom" soundtrack is just another movie soundtrack, go back and listen to the original Star Wars soundtrack, which blows the new one away. "Phantom" just sounds like a bunch of techno-war music. The individual characters' themes are weak. Disappointing. The Phantom Menace score is missing what makes Star Wars ByA customeron May 20, 1999 Format: Audio CD I realize that this is a whole new trilogy and a lot has changed, many might think it wrong to compare this score with the old trilogy, but I don't see how you cannot. The score to the Phantom Menace doesn't even sound like Williams did it. In the original trilogy, the music for each character fit them so well. What we have now is more so music to fit what is happening in the movie. What I missed most was the single melody that was present in almost every piece that bound them all together. This consistency that made the original trilogy music so great is not present in this new score. So it is with regret that I give this CD a score of 2 stars. My only hope is with the next two films, they bring back the formula that made the original trilogy score so powerful and moving. Not what one would expect... ByA customeron May 27, 1999 Format: Audio CD I have spent the past week listening to the Return of the Jedi soundtrack, and am still in awe of John's ability to make the music invoke the movie, and not the other way around. Just like the movie, though, The Phantom Menace soundtrack disappoints. It has the sound of typical Williams "filler" music, like we hear in the dead parts of the Indiana Jones trilogy. It is missing the elements of instrumentation that musically depict the accompanying celluloid. And it tends to force dramatic themes, ostensibly full and loud in minor keys to say "here, this part is scary," and thinner and major (or dominant), save for the Imperial March quote in Anakin's Theme, to tell you that the happy parts are here. It is unfortunate that a movie this mediocre has been slapped with the Star Wars franchise tag, but almost criminal that an average soundtrack be given the same treatment. A disappointment ByGene Johannsenon May 21, 1999 Format: Audio CD There is nothing memorable about this sound track. None of the characters have a theme that you will find yourself humming later, though several characters (Watto, Sebulba and especially Qui Gon) deserve a strong and recognizable theme, in my opinion. I also question the ordering and pairing of the tracks on the CD. They are not in the order they come in the movie. If you are familiar with other sound tracks by John Williams, you might hear echoes of Close Encounters, Superman, Indiana Jones, and Jaws. The strongest piece is ``Duel of the Fates'' and you will catch pieces of the Force Theme and the Empire March from the previous movies, which is nice. But all in all not a soundtrack I will listen to often. This Is Not Star Wars ByA customeron April 23, 2002 Format: Audio CD Every once in a while a score comes along that transcends the media for which it was created, either stage, screen, or television. John Williams accomplished this with his original Star Wars score and to a lesser extent with Episode I and "Duel of the Fates." Unfortunately the music for Attack of the Clones falls far short of the standard we've come to expect from Hollywood's premier composer. Listen to "Across the Stars" and DON'T think of Hook, I dare you. Uninspired and largely thematically irrelevant, the entire score rambles like a sentence without punctuation, and leaves the listener wanting much more. Perhaps the movie will make up for it by being able to carry the music for a change, but I'm already sorely disappointed. Just one word - Hook ! ByA customeron April 24, 2002 Format: Audio CD Attack on the Clones. Has the master of motifs mostly mailed in this movie soundtrack ? Maybe it bodes ill for the movie SWII:AotC that JT Williams no longer seems inspired by Lucas' vision. Here's my personal view, and let me state I believe Empire to be the greatest movie soundtrack of all time and JT the soundtrack maestro, plus I am only judging sixty-odd minutes of music from a two hour score. Disregard the main intro (military drum roll more prominent in the mix ?) and the end track with the Imperial March sending shivers down the spine, and what is left on this soundtrack CD is pretty insipid and forgetable stuff. No triumphal marches, wonderfully new tuneful character motifs or thunderously original action pieces. The only discernable new tune is the love theme 'Across the Stars', which is a lovely dark version of 'Han and the Princess', nice an' all, well orchestrated, but... and it kills me to say this about a JT Star Wars score, the tune is heavily reminiscent of the theme from Hook, complete with the same triplet rhythm on the final beat in the bar, and the orchestration very similar to Harry Potter. Has JT left his best work in another movie for the second Star Wars running ? Personally I thought Nixon would have made an excellent score for Phantom (I still listen to the dramatic sounding music of Nixon and imagine PhM's darker Sith scenes). Was Harry Potter the score Clones should have had, with its strong motifs and excellent action music ? Hollywood spreading the musical soul of JT Williams too thin ? Beethoven wrote 9 symphonies, and only (only!) 3, 5, 6 and 9 are truly great. Mostly a disappointment ByCharles A. Mujaheson May 1, 2002 Format: Audio CD In many ways, Williams became famous for Star Wars. But "Attack of the Clones" (AOTC) is perhaps the weakest of all Star Wars scores. In simple terms, this score reminded me of Jurrasic Park to the point where I believed I WAS listening to Jurrasic. The only definitive theme in the score was the love theme. But I must painfully state that it sounded too inspired and un-original, not to mention that it was repeated to bloody death throughout the CD. The constant violence and randomness of the music during action sequences is very disappointing. I felt I was listening to either the orchestra warming up or an amateur composer. The bashing and poor attempts at innovation do nothing except bore the listener with endless noise. I do not hate Williams. I love 90% of his other work. But this is clearly not his best. Nowhere near it. I really wanted to like it..., May 4, 2005 By Penhoet This review is from: Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (Audio CD) ... but my reaction is pretty luke warm. Sure, there are some interesting moments but it mostly comes across as filler. Some really memorable themes would have been nice, or any even. "Battle of the Heroes" is the only thing that comes close -- minus the voices it sounds like Williams was going for something like a chant, perhaps "Dies irae". I like "Palpatine's Teachings" and "Padme's Ruminations" but not for their themes, just for the atmosphere. Compared to the scores from the original trilogy, giving this one three stars is generous. And the DVD is just dull. What I had hoped would be an in-depth look at Williams' composition process over the course of the six movies turned out to be nothing but a music video. Yawn. I'm going to give it more time but it will never be in the same class as Williams' best work. Undistinguished, May 16, 2005 By David Cady Verified Purchase(What's this?) This review is from: Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (Audio CD) Plainly stated, this is just not Williams' best of the "Star Wars" scores. He re-introduces (recycles?) themes from previous (later?) episodes, without really creating any new material that stands alone as being uniquely of this film. Frankly, he seems to have run out of both ideas and steam. However -- and it's a major however -- the DVD that accompanies the album is an absolute must for any "Star Wars" fan. It's a brilliantly produced, extraordinarily exciting reminder of just how entertaining and transporting the six films are, and how vital Williams' past contributions have been to their success. He's an amazing composer, but he could and should have come up with a final score that's a little more fresh and distinctive. Not much new here...disappointed, May 3, 2005 By David Alan Hall This review is from: Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (Audio CD) Just because Williams is my favorite composer doesn't mean I will rave about everything he does. I understand the need to tie in previous themes--that's what a theme does--but Williams clearly decided to take a holiday on this one. There is hardly any new material here and the edit in cut one is awful--it goes from the STAR WARS opening into a horrible edit to the new music. I couldn't believe it. I thought my player had skipped. Normally the end titles provides a showcase for the new themes...this is 13 minutes of Leia's theme and The Throne Room (from episode 4) with about a minute of a new theme thrown in. What is The Throne Room theme, a joyous theme, doing at the end of this dark movie? I hope Lucas doesn't try to tack a happy ending on this show--the music makes me think so. I will say what is new is very good, but it's too bad there's so little of the new stuff. Maybe they will eventually release the complete score and it will have more original material on it. A disappointment after a 3 year wait...not going out with a bang but a whimper. Where are the great new themes like Yoda's theme and the Imperial March. There is nothing here with a tune...nothing I can whistle here. Not even one track. Keep it Coming. ByJMMon December 29, 2015 Format: Audio CD Loved every minute. The complex parts are as intricate as anything Williams has ever done, and the new themes and melodies are, as always, wonderful. Great story-telling music, no movie required. Fans of Williams' Minority Report score, and the more chaotic parts from Harry Potter 3 should love this one. Looking forward to chapters 8 and 9; no matter how good or bad the films may be, the music will be great. John Williams beautiful new score for the Force Awakens embodies the mystery, adventure, fanfare and beauty of the film. ByC. Corsilloon December 22, 2015 Format: Audio CDVerified Purchase John Williams beautiful new score for the Force Awakens embodies the mystery, adventure, fanfare and beauty of the film. I have listened to this body of work several times since Friday and find it more magical and moving with each repeated listen. All the tracks are excellent and tell a cohesive story, but my choice favorites are: The Attack on the Jakku Village (listen for the big trombones which are reminiscent of "Belly of the Beast" from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade), Kylo Ren Arrives at the Battle, March of the Resistance, Scherzo for X-Wings, Farewell and the Trip, and of course the final track The Jedi Steps and Finale with the beautiful harp and celeste and perfectly timed Luke Skywalker leitmotif. Bravo! Another great Star Wars soundtrack! ByitzWickson January 5, 2016 Format: MP3 MusicVerified Purchase Of the seven soundtracks set in the Star Wars universe, this ranks as my third favorite overall. Rey's Theme is the standout track here, and when its telltale melodies are incorporated within some of the other musical interludes, the compositions can't help but feel more cohesive in nature. I only hope Mr. Williams is able to do the rest of the sequel trilogy. His efforts are greatly appreciated and enjoyed! Williams' best work since The Empire Strikes Back ByBrett Englandon January 5, 2016 Format: Audio CDVerified Purchase John Williams hasn't composed anything descent since "The Imperial March" from Episode V, and to a lesser extent, "Duel of the Fates" from Episode I. The bulk of the music from Episodes I, II and III was phoned in and forgettable. With competence returned to the directing helm, The Force Awakens receives the best soundtrack since the original Star Wars. Several of the pieces are simply superb: The Scavenger; Rey's Theme; and Scherzo for X-Wings just to mention a few. And of course, The Main Title is an instant classic. Does everybody feel better? Not Mr. Big, Taikomochi, justaguy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Idiots! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,338 Posted January 6, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2016 Too much old material, not enough old material. Sounds too much like ______ Williams score, doesn't even sound like Williams. Not a single memorable tune you can whistle out of the theater. Not even one! My suspicion is that TFA criticism seems compounded now because it's not only what OT fans didn't expect, but now you're adding in people all grown up who treasured the prequel music as children. People were upset back then that they didn't get "perfect" character themes and action setpieces. Now even more are upset that they don't get their Duel of the Fates or Battle of the Heroes. But the kids of today will love this one, because they will love the movie. Kids' brains are like sponges. My little cousins were listening to "March of the Resistance" on YouTube at Christmas and running around singing it. Daaa daaa dadadaaa!!! Daaa dadada dadadadadaaa!!! Made me so happy. It's happening, you guys. crumbs, Not Mr. Big, justaguy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,144 Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 9 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: My suspicion is that TFA criticism seems compounded now because it's not only what OT fans didn't expect, but now you're adding in people all grown up who treasured the prequel music as children. People were upset back then that they didn't get "perfect" character themes and action setpieces. Now even more are upset that they don't get their Duel of the Fates or Battle of the Heroes. I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm confident TFA will get its due respect with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,338 Posted January 7, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2016 I think it will, once people start seeing the big picture and realizing that the standout moments for them had music that stuck. A common disappointment right now is this score "only" has a few standout bits, but is that much different from the others? Even the haters will often mention caveats like Rey's montage on Jakku and the Jedi Steps finale as good Williams moments. Pretty lucky that those are movie defining moments, not minor, forgettable scenes that just so happened to have a flash of good music. When this movie comes out on Bluray, the Jedi Steps scene will get ripped to YouTube and it'll rack up millions of views and eventually that'll be one of the select few scenes that sum up the public memory of this movie. And every comment on that video will be about how amazing John Williams is. I think other scenes like Han's death and the lightsaber fight, which were not necessarily scored as expected, will also reveal themselves to have more powerful music than people remembered. That incessant, growing rhythm in Torn Apart is actually pretty haunting. crumbs, Damien F, Not Mr. Big and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 7 hours ago, Quintus said: Idiocy and a total lack of commonsense in the people I share message boards with are what get me upset. I am so sorry, my lord! I will make sure never to upset you on the internet again! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 8 hours ago, Quintus said: And yes; this entire narrative that has developed here in the last week or so that is John Williams fans worrying about what other people on the internet think about their precious Star Wars score, is most irritating. It's really just human nature--negativity bias in action. As addressed by negative differentiation,[4] negative information seems to require greater information processing resources and activity than does positive information; people tend to think and reason more about negative events than positive events.[8][27] Neurological differences also point to greater processing of negative information: participants exhibit greater event-related potentials when reading about, or viewing photographs of, people performing negative acts that were incongruent with their traits than when reading about incongruent positive acts.[28][29][30] This additional processing leads to differences between positive and negative information in attention, learning, and memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Indeed. We all love to hate something. In this thread's case, people just need to vent by hating on the score's haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Because negative things have potential consequences that positive things may not. If studio execs see those negative comments about the score, there's a risk it might motivate them to change their direction in the music department, potentially leading to more watered down RCP type scores in SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 34 minutes ago, Drax said: Because negative things have potential consequences that positive things may not. If studio execs see those negative comments about the score, there's a risk it might motivate them to change their direction in the music department, potentially leading to more watered down RCP type scores in SW. Yeah, I believe the decision to include dubstep in The Amazing Spider-Man 2's score was based on a fan's letter. And it ended up being the worst thing ever, arguably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Even worse than the movie itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, crumbs said: Even worse than the movie itself? Okay, the second worst thing ever, arguably. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 50 minutes ago, Drax said: Because negative things have potential consequences that positive things may not. If studio execs see those negative comments about the score, there's a risk it might motivate them to change their direction in the music department, potentially leading to more watered down RCP type scores in SW. I seriously doubt that will happen with Star Wars (at least not in the near future), especially with Kennedy on board. It will be interesting who else they get to score the Anthology films. They may get Desplat to do all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I must be the only one on the board that liked TASM2 and wishes Sony were continuing the series rather than MCU rebooting it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 The board, or the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,747 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Jay said: I must be the only one on the board that liked TASM2 and wishes Sony were continuing the series rather than MCU rebooting it I would have been down for that. Don't know what it was, but this film really connected with me on an emotional level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 7 hours ago, Sharky said: It's really just human nature--negativity bias in action. As addressed by negative differentiation,[4] negative information seems to require greater information processing resources and activity than does positive information; people tend to think and reason more about negative events than positive events.[8][27] Neurological differences also point to greater processing of negative information: participants exhibit greater event-related potentials when reading about, or viewing photographs of, people performing negative acts that were incongruent with their traits than when reading about incongruent positive acts.[28][29][30] This additional processing leads to differences between positive and negative information in attention, learning, and memory. Isn't this another way of describing angst? I've always hated angst and angsty people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aj_vader 535 Posted January 7, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2016 I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet but you can hear the ending of The Imperial March (Concert Arrangement) when Kylo Ren walks down the ramp at the beginning of the Force Awakens. 4.47 - 4.52 2.50 - 2.56 crumbs, Cerebral Cortex and mrbellamy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,138 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Can't believe I didn't put that together in my head before. Nice. crumbs and aj_vader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Wow thats very cool! aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Probably just the board. I'm sure Andrew Garfield feels the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 10 hours ago, Mr. Big said: Yeah, I believe the decision to include dubstep in The Amazing Spider-Man 2's score was based on a fan's letter. And it ended up being the worst thing ever, arguably. All it took was one dickhead at a test screening for Troy to complain that the score sounded "too old fashioned", provoking the studio to panic and overhaul the entire thing with a new composer. Yeah it was Horner, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 18 hours ago, mrbellamy said: I think other scenes like Han's death [...] will also reveal themselves to have more powerful music than people remembered. That (perhaps not that exact scene, but at least a related one very close to it - don't remember exactly) has one of the best variations of Han Solo and the Princess of the entire series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 That Imperial March connection was indeed pointed out a few days back, I forgot who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Me! It was me! aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 20 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: That (perhaps not that exact scene, but at least a related one very close to it - don't remember exactly) has one of the best variations of Han Solo and the Princess of the entire series. That scene with Rey consoling Leia? It's like a relative of the Carbonite variations on the theme, with a sustained pedal on the dominant. Am/C -> Bbm6/C -> Gb/C and etc. BTW, I was kinda annoyed that Leia didn't immediately hug Chewie. He was Han's best friend and knew him no longer than anyone in the cast. Maybe Rey was doing it on his behalf, as he was still too emotional at that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I felt the same way. I bet something like that was filmed but cut. Chewie got his agonized moment shortly after the death, and having an additional Leia consolation scene would have stolen something away from our lead, Rey's, own consolation scene shortly thereafter. A nice moment but might not have worked with the flow of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,338 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 It would have been nice to see them together. Like her arm around his while they look at the map at the end or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Sharky said: That scene with Rey consoling Leia? No, I mean the bit that plays, I think, right when, or just slightly after (as I said, I don't remember exactly) Han falls. 2:15 in Torn Apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Spoilers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Yeah I thought it was very strange to skip over that, at the very least I thought that the three of them may have had a moment together before Chewie goes off leaving Leia and Rey to hug, etc, I don't think it would have hurt the pacing at all. Not having anything hurts the scene in my opinion. I didn't necessarily want or expect a reworking of the Carbon Freeze scene but this time with Leia telling Chewie he needs to look after Rey ....but at least some acknowledgment, it wasn't exactly a ' We have no time for sorrows, Commander' moment. A disappointing scene indeed for it to be glossed over so casually and a bit of a middle finger to those who've grown with the characters and their relationships with each other. Anyway, wrong thread I guess, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Marian Schedenig said: No, I mean the bit that plays, I think, right when, or just slightly after (as I said, I don't remember exactly) Han falls. 2:15 in Torn Apart. That's part of the Elegy Theme (or whatever you want to call it) heard before in The Starkiller. To me it sounds more like the bridge of Across the Stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I think he's talking about the counter melody under the string 'elegy' line which plays the first part of the Han and Leia melody and also matches what's happening on screen as it plays when we see Leia's 'force sensed' reaction to Han's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,338 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Right, in the violas (?). It's a minor variation and I'm not too sure if it was intentional, but it does match the rhythm and contour of Han/Leia's theme. It also doesn't appear in the Starkiller version. It comes in around 2:11-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,240 Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Exactly. It screamed "Han Solo and the Princess" to me when I first saw the film, and the spotting fits as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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