#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 16 hours ago, artguy360 said: sitting around with old white men. Racism! 9 hours ago, BloodBoal said: We need more black composers. Racism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 On 23-12-2016 at 2:46 AM, artguy360 said: sitting around with old white men. Ageism! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 On 24/12/2016 at 3:01 AM, Stefancos said: Racism! Racism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 On 12/13/2016 at 8:08 AM, TownerFan said: Oh, more "pieces parts AOTC film making", tweaking everything to death and then calling Johnny in when it's time to score the next 2 minutes over five days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 That's not what's happening at all. Williams will be woryon this throughout the year. Unlike AOTC, which was one of an amazing four quite big scores he did in 2002 Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Munich was pretty restrained and short compared to his other 3 scores in 2005, but it was still an incredible effort. The last time he did 4 scores in a year, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Indeed, though that has nothing to do with 2002 and AOTC. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Indeed, though that has nothing to do with 2002 and AOTC. Whoops! Well, nonetheless, it was another 4-score year! Besides, everyone knows William Ross wrote COS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I know that, and you do. But there are those that claim differently after claimed to having viewed unverifiable info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 That was all FAKE NEWS leaked by Conrad Pope! Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I believe it was the first instance of FAKE NEWS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 That's been verified by Wikileaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 The Kremlin denies this, however! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Stefan, why do you think sheet music in John Williams handwriting is an indication William Ross wrote the score? Are you suggesting he mailed it to JW to rewrite in his own handwriting? Once and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Who says it's Williams handwriting? And with what authority does he make that claim? It's all "stolen" or otherwise illigally obtained material anyway. Or possible forgered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Fake news, Jason.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chinaismine 64 Posted February 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2017 There was a LAST JEDI scoring session in LA today. That's encouraging. — Robert Meyer Burnett (@BurnettRM) February 12, 2017 LAST JEDI scoring update. Last Thursday was John Williams' 85th Birthday. He's conducting. Rian Johnson wants to use the score for editing. — Robert Meyer Burnett (@BurnettRM) February 12, 2017 Arpy, Will, crumbs and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted February 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2017 Very cool that RJ is going to use the actual score to edit the picture with. Hopefully that means more continuous music and less choppy edits. Pieter Boelen, crumbs, DarthDementous and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted February 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2017 RJ gets it! Thank you, sir! Cerebral Cortex, Pieter Boelen and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 This is really exciting! (both the fact that there are sessions going on and the Johnson process info) However, I think it's worth nothing that wasn't this basically J.J.'s approach to, in some respects? I mean, they started recording the score in June. Why would they need to do that if the scenes were going to be edited significantly after the sessions? (and we know that happened, judging by how many edits and inserts there are!) I'd presume the reason would be so that J.J. could use the music to help him better edit his scenes and visualize the final product. So could Johnson's process not really be anything new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Giftheck 916 Posted February 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2017 Not really. TFA had John Williams 'chase' the cut as it the score was written and edits were made to the film, as opposed to scoring and then having the movie cut around that score. crumbs, Will and artguy360 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 But is the movie really being "cut around the score"? They've been editing since August, and only recording since December! I do see what you're saying, though. I just wonder if this could be more about Rian editing to the "tone" of the music, but not the specific sync points. "Using music to help find the tone" is perhaps something like how J.J. was working at times. I guess this is all kind of pointless to discuss absent further info, though, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I was raised to believe it was most ideal when a director has a final cut of the film pretty much locked before scoring sessions begin, but I guess that's not terribly realistic for modern day CGI-fests. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 So these sessions were the most 'expensive mockups or temp track ever..in some way. He said williams to record what he had so he could use it to temp track the film.... I fear the score is going to be hacked in this film. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Yeah, that was one of the things I was considering - that Johnson might just be using this as temp track, essentially, to help him with the mood, not necessarily as something to precisely edit the picture to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Either it means some things will remain intact or because of using it to edit, it's going to be microedit hell! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Yep, exactly. I want to be optimistic, of course, but after TFA I've realized that early recording doesn't necessarily preclude extensive microediting (not to mention inserts, rewrites, and tracking). Particularly if you include rewrites and inserts as "mangling" of the score, then early recording means probably much more of that. If a cue is written and recorded in fall/winter 2016/2017, and the scene is constantly edited until the next December... A side question for those who remember: Was extensive film editing noticeable upon watching TPM in theaters? I.e. did you leave going, "Wow, this score is a mess!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 16 hours ago, Will said: A side question for those who remember: Was extensive film editing noticeable upon watching TPM in theaters? I.e. did you leave going, "Wow, this score is a mess!" Yes, very noticeable and very irritating. I was much more disappointed with Lucas on the music chopping (in the last act at least) than other elements of the movie, such as Jar Jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 That's what happens when you let Ben Burtt into the editing room too. Lucas wasn't solely to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Hmm, and with TFA while there was a ton of film microediting, not to mention inserts, tracking, and rewrites, it wasn't really noticeable -- in fact, most thought the score was treated really well after watching in theaters IIRC. Obviously the level of editing on TPM doesn't happen with every score recorded closer to release date, but.... Maybe the early recordings helped with TFA's being well treated (facially). I.e. perhaps J.J. had a general "conception" of each major scene that the early-recording bits of score solidified, so while he made lots of minor edits he had no inclination to dramatically restructure any of the film/score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Giftheck 916 Posted February 12, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2017 The score to TFA sounded like it was modular, so that they could do editing without it being too noticeable. crumbs, DarthDementous and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 What do you mean by that? Any examples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 The opening cue in particular "Attack On The Jakku Village, Part 1", is clearly stitched together from several different versions of the cues written for that particular sequence and it sounds pretty seamless, as though that was the intention. It's as if the cues were written in such a way that parts of them could be swapped out as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I do sort of see what you're saying there. An interesting theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 4 hours ago, Gistech said: The score to TFA sounded like it was modular, so that they could do editing without it being too noticeable. That's definitely been a general Williams trend with his action music since probably The Lost World. Ironically that score was also butchered. He made a clear attempt to write long-lined thematic action material for TPM and it was butchered to hell. AOTC had a very different approach to the action music than TPM and he's mostly continued this style in scores for TFA, Minority Report, War of the Worlds, Tintin, etc. I think he adjusts this style depending on the state of the film when he starts scoring and how likely the director is to meddle with the score. For example, his action music in War Horse is in a completely different style than the aforementioned scores from the same period. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,894 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I'm curious to see how a TFA 'complete score' would look. Probably hundreds and hundreds of inserts, 5 discs worth of them! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 It will have five extra tracks, one of which will be a longer presentation of Rey's theme called "A Girl and Her Staff". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 11 hours ago, crumbs said: That's definitely been a general Williams trend with his action music since probably The Lost World. Ironically that score was also butchered. He made a clear attempt to write long-lined thematic action material for TPM and it was butchered to hell. AOTC had a very different approach to the action music than TPM and he's mostly continued this style in scores for TFA, Minority Report, War of the Worlds, Tintin, etc. I think he adjusts this style depending on the state of the film when he starts scoring and how likely the director is to meddle with the score. For example, his action music in War Horse is in a completely different style than the aforementioned scores from the same period. Well, I Can Fly Anything is also very much in that vein. I'm really not familiar enough with JW's output to judge whether there's been a change, but it's interesting to consider. One thing I do wonder... Is there any chance that this supposed change is really simply due to JW's internal artistic instincts? I'd be interested in hearing from the really musical people here on this. For instance, I'm not sure if it's always been this way, but some recent concert works of his have had some really "crazy" passages -- total orchestral madness (possibly even "atonality"?) Could JW have just had an artistic instinct to go a little more "crazy" and seemingly less structured? I'm just rambling here from a point of low musical intelligence, of course, so I could be totally off base here. Just something that came to mind as a possibility. 11 hours ago, Manikin Skywalker said: I'm curious to see how a TFA 'complete score' would look. Probably hundreds and hundreds of inserts, 5 discs worth of them! We might already have most from the docs, I don't know. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Well there's been a huge evolution in his action writing style over the years but he's also a chameleon writer generally. The BFG proved he can seamlessly slip back into a writing style we thought he left behind 15 years ago. The interesting thing about Star Wars is that every score still sounds uniquely 'Star Wars-ian' while being uniquely different from the score that came before it. Amer and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,287 Posted February 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2017 Every time this gets bumped I still can't believe we're getting another one of these scores so soon, shit. New director, new approach, same old Johnny. Kinda weird to think that we're now closer in time to Last Jedi's release date than to Force Awakens'.... Will, Tiburon, Taikomochi and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 We're a little spoiled. Eight scores in the one series, spanning four decades. Just brilliant! Will and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alex 2,835 Posted February 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2017 If he manages to score all 9 I'll probably collapse Cerebral Cortex, Will and mrbellamy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,316 Posted February 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2017 It would probably be the most momentous achievement in film score history to have one composer write 9 scores for one film series over a span of 42 years. Take that, John Barry! In fact, I'll bet money on it now: the Oscars will give him his 6th Oscar for Episode IX, if he finishes 3 trilogies of trilogies. It'll basically be his "lifetime achievement" award in disguise, and warmly bookend the Oscar he scored for the first film. Will, Taikomochi, David Story and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Yep! And that's also why he definitely won't get one for Episode VIII. Will and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Pretty much, nor Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara, though I can see him nabbing two nominations due to the release date proximity to the ceremony. Once and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Why would JW get a lifetime achievement Oscar? He's already got 4 proper ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 And that's the reason why he needs one more! Getting 4 Lifetime Achievement Awards is quite an achievement in a lifetime, and it thus needs to be rewarded with a Lifetime Achievement Oscars! The Lifetime Achievement Oscar to end all Lifetime Achievement Oscars! Will and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,658 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Why would JW get a lifetime achievement Oscar? He's already got 4 proper ones. I think the idea is one for IX would serve as both a recognition of the score and his career in general. Oscars really do not matter at this point. He received the AFI award, which is much more prestigious than Oscars ever could be in terms of Hollywood recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Screw the AFI! Légion d'Honneur baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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