Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yes, it's cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, aviazn said: Say what now? IKR! I hum it all the time. "Bam bee-da bom bam bom bam bom bam..." 3 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The only cue I've listened to so far is "Chrome Dome" - and I think it's excellent! That's actually been considered as one of the least interesting cues (not saying I agree or disagree...) aviazn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 What is Johnson's opinion on TLJ music? Does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, Skywanker said: What is Johnson's opinion on TLJ music? Does anyone know? How could he say anything else than that he loves it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Why would people think that he doesn't though? People are just looking for any sign of him not liking the music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Loert said: That's actually been considered as one of the least interesting cues (not saying I agree or disagree...) That's why I have listened exclusively to that track. Just to put my toe in the water. I don't want to spoil the greater cues for me, so I am waiting to listen to The Battle of Crait in cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: That's why I have listened exclusively to that track. Just to put my toe in the water. I don't want to spoil the greater cues for me, so I am waiting to listen to The Battle of Crait in cinema. Very wise decision! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, Skywanker said: What is Johnson's opinion on TLJ music? Does anyone know? Well he said the scoring was a higlight of the production. But mayby he hates the final product, musicwise... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, RadJ said: Why would people think that he doesn't though? People are just looking for any sign of him not liking the music? His actions seem to say that he isn't the biggest fan of it, but I could very much be wrong. He seems a bit muted to me. No note in the score album either, perhaps a sign? Although obviously, he won't say so. He also just liked a comment on Twitter where someone said the best soundtrack moment of the year was the strech of silence in The Last Jedi. Now, that's some shade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jost1 105 Posted December 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2017 Haha there's no way he isn't happy with the final product considering the rave reviews and his own positive comments. Come on. People are really grasping and overanalyzing. Not everything is a conspiracy Jurassic Shark, Ricard, Wierzbowski85 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 hours ago, Donna Lackluster said: The Last Jedi soundtrack is awe-inspiring. The worst thing one could say about it is that the music is too new. You're back! Donna Lackluster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Thanks, RadJ! 4 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: You're back! I was never gone. Jost1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, RadJ said: Not everything is a conspiracy If you say that to people believing in conspiracies, they just believe it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natedog 7 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, Lewya said: His actions seem to say that he isn't the biggest fan of it, but I could very much be wrong. He seems a bit muted to me. No note in the score album either, perhaps a sign? Although obviously, he won't say so. He also just liked a comment on Twitter where someone said the best soundtrack moment of the year was the strech of silence in The Last Jedi. Now, that's some shade! I seem to think that Rian is actually quite a shy guy anyway so maybe he’s just chill about the whole thing. JJ is very different though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Because a conspiracy makes for a better story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Rian doesn't strike me at shy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Some say Rian tried to poison the maestro's coffee. The hate is strong between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Lewya said: Rian doesn't strike me at shy at all. Maybe he's shy only when it comes to scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said: Some say Rian tried to poison the maestro's coffee. The hate is strong between the two. Thats because Williams kept calling him JJBaby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said: Some say Rian tried to poison the maestro's coffee. The hate is strong between the two. Williams was preferred by K. Kennedy not by Johnson. I think. Hate and incomprehension is possible. J.J. Baby will come back and everything will be better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Skywanker said: Williams was preferred by K. Kennedy not by Johnson. I think. Hate and incomprehension is possible. J.J. Baby will come back and everything will be better! I believe every SW director would like to work with JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, KK said: I still think that was unintentional. Totally unintentional. A case of sticking too close to the temp track, says I. More and more I get a grasp on just how much of this was temp-tracked with prequel material. Rian Johnson sure loves his Revenge of the Sith music, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 TLJ is now on Spotify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 Only in countries where its already Friday the 15th. In the USA, for example, its not available yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Jay said: Only in countries where its already Friday the 15th. In the USA, for example, its not available yet. Just rubbin' it in for those who's living on the wrong side of the planet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: Totally unintentional. A case of sticking too close to the temp track, says I. It's simply unintentional because there's absolutely no reason whatsoever for this theme to appear there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Totally unintentional. A case of sticking too close to the temp track, says I. More and more I get a grasp on just how much of this was temp-tracked with prequel material. Rian Johnson sure loves his Revenge of the Sith music, it seems. The Indiana Jones temp track, you mean? 1 hour ago, Donna Lackluster said: To John Williams' surprise, the temp was all Williams. "Rian Johnson had prepared a temp track with all my music from Indiana Jones." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Yes! No reason to play Princess Leia's theme when Ben Kenobi dies... Makes no sense. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Williams does like to play it loose with his themes, but this is a new level, if we are to believe the quotes are intentional. And its not like it happens once. That gesture is all over the damn thing. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Donna Lackluster said: Yes! No reason to play Princess Leia's theme when Ben Kenobi dies... You could find a lot of explanations for that (people have come with lots of possible explanations for its use, some rather sensible), plus it was a theme appearing in the same score it was written for. Plus the character is actually in the scene. Here, we're talking about a theme from an episode taking place much earlier in the timeline, apparently used in a scene where the two characters it was written for are nowhere to be seen, and you can't possibly come up with a good explanation for that theme appearing here... Not quite the same thing. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Apparently JW is getting loose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 As is the case with all Star Wars scores, the music is beginning to make more sense to me. The structure and pace are coming into view and some of the music sounds less rushed than it did the first few times. However there is still a general relentless pace to many of the tracks. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,511 Posted December 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2017 I just need to point out how bad-ass the first track is. The first entrance of the Resistance theme is the musical equivalent of Williams going "I'm back, bitches!" Also the statement of Leia's theme towards the end of "The Supremacy" is absolutely gorgeous, the big timpani roll at the beginning really makes a difference! Jost1, Pieter Boelen, Will and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: I heard he likes to dance naked in the pale moonlight, with ham wrapped around his legs. I prefer bacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 I need to see the movie before I comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 What's the rhythm in the last minute or so of The Spark. It was used in the final trailer from 0:30 onwards. So the trailer did debut new material from JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: What's the rhythm in the last minute or so of The Spark. The Imperial March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehbaz 6 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Donna Lackluster said: Yes! No reason to play Princess Leia's theme when Ben Kenobi dies... Makes no sense. I know this is a bit off-topic, but: I've thought about this a lot, and I tend to believe that the use of Leia's theme at that moment does actually make good sense, and I wouldn't be surprised if JW consciously and deliberately made the choice. From Luke's perspective, his guide on this adventure and the person who he has the closest emotional relationship has just perished - and immediately following this realization, Luke's heart may abruptly shift its emotional neediness onto Leia. As if there's a immediate subconscious refocusing of his hopes and needs onto this other person. Happens in real-world human emotional trauma, as a safety mechanism: following a loss, pin your needs on the next-closest/dearest friend/family member. Was JW thinking that deeply into the moment? Maybe. I don't know. But he's clever and thoughtful enough, especially at the peak of his career. Ricard and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Over analyzing at its best. It was just the most suitable theme to the emotion of the scene. And it's not even the most blatant instance in Star Wars. It happens with Yoda's theme in Cloud City, it happens several times with The Force theme, it happens with the Rebel Fanfare for the odd generically triumphant moments, etc... Every composer does this to some extent with his leitmotifs. Williams just does it a little bit more often than most. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, fatehbaz said: I know this is a bit off-topic, but: I've thought about this a lot, and I tend to believe that the use of Leia's theme at that moment does actually make good sense, and I wouldn't be surprised if JW consciously and deliberately made the choice. From Luke's perspective, his guide on this adventure and the person who he has the closest emotional relationship has just perished - and immediately following this realization, Luke's heart may abruptly shift its emotional neediness onto Leia. As if there's a immediate subconscious refocusing of his hopes and needs onto this other person. Happens in real-world human emotional trauma, as a safety mechanism: following a loss, pin your needs on the next-closest/dearest friend/family member. Was JW thinking that deeply into the moment? Maybe. I don't know. But he's clever and thoughtful enough, especially at the peak of his career. There's really no problem here, as LEIA's theme is played after Obi-Wan dies, when LEIA, the objective of the rescue mission, is fleeing with the others. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 33 minutes ago, fatehbaz said: I know this is a bit off-topic, but: I've thought about this a lot, and I tend to believe that the use of Leia's theme at that moment does actually make good sense, and I wouldn't be surprised if JW consciously and deliberately made the choice. From Luke's perspective, his guide on this adventure and the person who he has the closest emotional relationship has just perished - and immediately following this realization, Luke's heart may abruptly shift its emotional neediness onto Leia. As if there's a immediate subconscious refocusing of his hopes and needs onto this other person. Happens in real-world human emotional trauma, as a safety mechanism: following a loss, pin your needs on the next-closest/dearest friend/family member. Was JW thinking that deeply into the moment? Maybe. I don't know. But he's clever and thoughtful enough, especially at the peak of his career. Williams himself admitted the Princess theme was simply working better than anything else he threw at the scene. It doesn't always have to make sense. _deleted_ and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzLightyear 143 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 Just heard the Soundtrack for the first time! It's brilliant!! There are so many little musical ideas and variations in it. Listening to this score is kind of waiting for the next surprise all the time. I also noticed how strong the themes from TFA are. When I first heard them in 2015, it took a while to grow on me. But now it's so exciting to hear this wonderful variations of them. It feels like they have always been there. Donna Lackluster and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Apparently JW is getting loose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 55 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Over analyzing at its best. It was just the most suitable theme to the emotion of the scene. And it's not even the most blatant instance in Star Wars. It happens with Yoda's theme in Cloud City, it happens several times with The Force theme, it happens with the Rebel Fanfare for the odd generically triumphant moments, etc... Every composer does this to some extent with his leitmotifs. Williams just does it a little bit more often than most. But it goes against the idea that many here have, that Williams' new SW scores are, what was it, "music in the sense of Wagnerian Leitmotiv". If that was truly the case, a composer with the chops of John Williams could come up with a piece of music for these things, instead of just using a theme that doesn't make sense. I don't want to start another parade of flaming posts saying "you no know nothing, ass", but the level of sophistication - certainly not in the technical sense, where JW is immaculate, but in approach - of JW scores is more often than not overblown, and especially his output past 2000. You take away the moments that are directly lifted from the previous trilogies, and TLJ would feel lackluster. And I agree, the force of the temp is strong in this one. People often get on me for liking those Hobbit scores so much, but with as much tracking and editing and nostalgic pandering as there is going on in those films, most notably the first one, at least the Original Soundtrack CDs were wisely left untouched by whatever rerecordings that were used in the theatrical release. Donna Lackluster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 In this particular case we have to wait for the FYC to get a purer version of the score as heard in the film. Ever since Tin-Tin and War Horse, they now tend to be a vastly improved representation of John Williams' music than the official albums. ins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 One shouldn't have to wait for unofficial Promo CDs to get a sense for the overall thing, when 70 minutes are commercially available. It's not like the FYC will suddenly provide concert suites and new themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Lackluster 23 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 The new themes are awesome! Oscar promos are hardly unofficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 22 minutes ago, gkgyver said: But it goes against the idea that many here have, that Williams' new SW scores are, what was it, "music in the sense of Wagnerian Leitmotiv". If that was truly the case, a composer with the chops of John Williams could come up with a piece of music for these things, instead of just using a theme that doesn't make sense. He had written a bunch of things, but remember, it's not up to Williams. The director has the final decision as to what music goes where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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