Mattris 416 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Here we go again... On 03/05/2023 at 5:52 AM, Chen G. said: That "some things are stronger than blood." Except if you're a Skywalker: in that case you get a get-out-of-jail-free-card for multiple war crimes. In Star Wars, what things are implied to have been stronger than blood? Do you agree with this sentiment? Which Skywalkers? What war crimes? What is the 'get-out-of-jail-free-card' you speak of? On 21/12/2019 at 6:57 PM, Chen G. said: There is no Skywalker Saga, as such. There’s a six-film series (plus a few spinoffs) that tells of a struggle between the two sides of The Force, with two members of the Skywalker family, Anakin and Luke, thrust into its midst. It’s haphazard in its overall storytelling and in quite a few of its entries (particularly those relating to Anakin), but it’s still an enjoyable and, on-the-whole, cohesive film series. Then there are three more films just ‘cause. Why do you say the six-film series is on-the-whole cohesive? What story did it tell? What was its purpose to have been made and shared with the world? Since Star Wars is, by definition, an allegory, what do you think were George Lucas' intended moral and political takeaways? Why don't you consider Episodes VII, VIII, and IX as part of the "series"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Mattris said: Here we go again... No, we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 We'll continue without you, then. @Chen G., I think you're smart enough to know that being well read doesn't necessarily yield an astute - or objectively correct - understanding of Star Wars. I liken your snobby stance to the countless Star Wars fans around the world who think their passion or high number of film viewings means they 'get it'... certainly better than 'the new Lucasfilm'. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. One either has a firm grasp of the story as George Lucas intended - and how Lucasfilm have progressed and will, eventually, complete - or one does not. (Time will tell.) My questions are open to everyone, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTN 2,030 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 I think that Disney has proven that Star Wars is not that special amazing wonder that we all thought for decades, and it can be turned into shit faster than Kathleen Kennedy says “The Force is female”. Trope, GerateWohl and QuartalHarmony 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,398 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 Somehow Star Wars Disenchantment has returned. Trope, greenturnedblue, Demodex and 10 others 1 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Hooper 1,793 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, Tallguy said: Somehow Star Wars Disenchantment has returned. It was inevitable... It is our destiny. Giftheck, Jurassic Shark, enderdrag64 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTN 2,030 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, Tallguy said: Somehow Star Wars Disenchantment has returned. “And I am all the Mattris!!!” Tallguy, Chen G., enderdrag64 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Mattris said: My questions are open to everyone, of course. You're too kind. A. A. Ron and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Mr. Hooper said: It was inevitable... It is our destiny. Wow, ol' Mattris really let himself go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 37 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Wow, ol' Mattris really let himself go! He looks better than he does in the prequels! Jurassic Shark and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 9 hours ago, Mattris said: @Chen G., I think you're smart enough to know that being well read doesn't necessarily yield an astute - or objectively correct - understanding of Star Wars. Good grief. Another person with their "objective" opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I'm not denying anyone's opinion. I'm stating that an objectively correct interpretation of the story exists, designed by George Lucas and continued by Lucasfilm. A. A. Ron and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, Mattris said: I'm not denying anyone's opinion. I'm stating that an objectively correct interpretation of the story exists, designed by George Lucas and continued by Lucasfilm. Which is the objectively correct interpretation? The one you have today, or the one you had a few years ago when you said Kathleen Kennedy & Rian Johnson didn't know what they were doing, making it up as they went along and were ruining Star Wars? Just in case someone asks me what the objectively correct interpretation of Star Wars is at a dinner party, I want to be sure I have it right. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Nick1Ø66 said: Just in case someone asks me what the objectively correct interpretation of Star Wars is at a dinner party, I want to be sure I have it right. Yeah, something tells me Mattris isn't exactly one for dinner parties... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 9 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Yeah, something tells me Mattris isn't exactly one for dinner parties... A. A. Ron, Chen G., ThePenitentMan1 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 30 minutes ago, Mattris said: I'm not denying anyone's opinion. I'm stating that an objectively correct interpretation of the story exists, designed by George Lucas and continued by Lucasfilm. An interpretation is also an opinion. 9 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: The one you have today, or the one you had a few years ago when you said Kathleen Kennedy & Rian Johnson didn't know what they were doing, making it up as they went along and were ruining Star Wars? You've been paying too much attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: You've been paying too much attention. I am a slow learner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 40 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: An interpretation is also an opinion. No, one's opinion is derived from their interpretation. (For instance, considering Star Wars primarily a work of 'escapism' would be the basis of one's interpretation. Calling the story - or any particular volume of it - 'good' or 'bad' would an opinion.) 48 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Which is the objectively correct interpretation? The one you have today, or the one you had a few years ago when you said Kathleen Kennedy & Rian Johnson didn't know what they were doing, making it up as they went along and were ruining Star Wars? Just in case someone asks me what the objectively correct interpretation of Star Wars is at a dinner party, I want to be sure I have it right. Only George Lucas and select Lucasfilm employees/contractors are aware the objectively correct interpretation of this story. I'm very sure I am also, having gone on a years-long journey of enlightenment. What do you think is the story of Star Wars? What do you think I think it is? 39 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: I am a slow learner. You're not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 hours ago, Mattris said: what things are implied to have been stronger than blood? I recommend bleach Jurassic Shark and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 17 minutes ago, Mattris said: Only George Lucas and select Lucasfilm employees/contractors are aware the objectively correct interpretation of this story. I'm very sure I am also, having gone on a years-long journey of enlightenment. Let us know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 23 minutes ago, Mattris said: What do you think is the story of Star Wars? There's only one Star Wars, and I know what the story is. A boy, a girl, and a story as big as the universe. 23 minutes ago, Mattris said: What do you think I think it is? ThePenitentMan1 and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Nick1Ø66 said: A boy, a girl, and a story as big as the universe. I remember going through marketing and its amazing what emphasis the trailer puts on this "romance." Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Hooper 1,793 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 11 hours ago, Mattris said: My questions are open to everyone, of course. Chen G., Mattris, greenturnedblue and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Great, now I want fish! Mr. Hooper and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,793 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: Great, now I want fish! I had fried calamari just the other day. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I...I never had that... Took me a while to get over the whole Kosher business... A. A. Ron and Mr. Hooper 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: There's only one Star Wars, I know what the story is. A boy, a girl, and a story as big as the universe. The Star Wars Saga tells one story. George Lucas was clear that his work was created to showcase valuable life lessons and universal truths. By 'the end' of their adventurous experience - portrayed in the Original Trilogy - what lessons and truths did this boy and girl learn that would lead the audience to trust that they would have created and led a lasting and successful Jedi Order and 'New' Republic after such institutions had been relatively recently destroyed, as shown in the Prequels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 O hush you! Can't you see we're talking about food?! We happen to love food! Naïve Old Fart, Erik Woods, A. A. Ron and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,398 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: We happen to love food! You don't understand food. enderdrag64, Erik Woods, A. A. Ron and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, Mattris said: By 'the end' of their adventurous experience - portrayed in the Original Trilogy - what lessons and truths did this boy and girl learn that would lead the audience to trust that they would have created and led a lasting and successful Jedi Order and 'New' Republic after such institutions had been relatively recently destroyed, as shown in the Prequels? What's the internal temperature of a Tauntaun? Spoiler Lukewarm!!!!!! enderdrag64, Giftheck, Mr. Hooper and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,949 Posted January 22 Popular Post Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Tallguy said: You don't understand food. Oh, I understand. I understand the restaurant ruined the main course on purpose so they can then serve another main course they've made in secret and it would be all the greater! Oh man, forget food, I need a drink! Sweeping Strings, Trope and Naïve Old Fart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, Chen G. said: course they've made in secret and it would be all the greater! That's the dessert. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 22/01/2024 at 4:06 PM, Chen G. said: O hush you! Can't you see we're talking about food?! We happen to love food! Nah, I prefer to test and show the limits of your Star Wars comprehension. On 22/01/2024 at 4:09 PM, Chen G. said: Oh, I understand. I understand the restaurant ruined the main course on purpose so they can then serve another main course they've made in secret and it would be all the greater! Oh man, forget food, I need a drink! I must say, I missed your making light of my 'wacky' theories and predictions. But in doing so here, you concisely demonstrated one of the biggest misconceptions of the Star Wars audience: the assumption that the OT was "the main course" with all other Saga Episodes as unnecessary 'dishes' than can be largely - if not, entirely - dismissed. When you are eventually shown the sheer scope of your folly and failure, I think you'll need more than a drink. You may just feel the need to go home and rethink your life. Fortunately, Rian Johnson said he'll be at the bar if you need him. On 22/01/2024 at 4:20 PM, Jurassic Shark said: That's the dessert. Nah, it'll be the pay-off of all the set-ups. A. A. Ron and greenturnedblue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Do you hear, @Chen G.? Finally, you'll get a chance to re-think your life. Chen G. and Erik Woods 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 First I'd need to think about my life before I could re-think it. Mattris, Erik Woods and mstrox 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,030 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 11 hours ago, Mattris said: Only George Lucas and select Lucasfilm employees/contractors are aware the objectively correct interpretation of this story. I'm very sure I am also, having gone on a years-long journey of enlightenment. I have three questions for you, Mr. Mattris. 1. Who might those "select Lucasfilm employees/contractors" be? 2. Are you REALLY that naiive to still believe that George Lucas or anyone has an "objectively correct interpretation" of the story that has been stretched and bastardized again and again for the last 47 years by several people and parties? 3. Are you in some sort of cult or something? What would you need a "years-long journey of enlightenment" for? This is Star Wars, a fricking space soap opera designed for 12-year-olds, not buddhism or existentialist philosophy. If you are a 12-year-old boy, then it's all right that you still believe in this children's story. But if you're an adult, then I think you need serious help and fast. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 Brace yourself for being patronised in italics, JTW. JTN, Chen G. and Naïve Old Fart 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, JTW said: If you are a 12-year-old boy, then it's all right that you still believe in this children's story. But if you're an adult, then I think you need serious help and fast. First time? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,030 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 3 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said: Brace yourself for being patronised in italics, JTW. Looking forward to getting to know his wisdom of years-long enlightenment. Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,793 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 hours ago, JTW said: Looking forward to getting to know his wisdom of years-long enlightenment. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Wait, how and why is this thread back? I thought it had vanished in a puff of bigotry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,466 Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 It's one of the staples of JWFan! One of our biggest and most reliable institutions! We can't let this thread die! enderdrag64, ThePenitentMan1 and Mattris 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 23 Popular Post Share Posted January 23 @Mattris, serious question for you and the other Star War experts here. What's the deal with Vader sitting at a fully set out dinner table on Cloud City and saying that he and Boba Fett would be honoured if Solo, Leia and Chewy joined him? Was the dinner table set up specifically for this occasion? Did Vader set it himself? Did they actually have dinner? What was served? Was there dessert? Did they consider Chewy's dietary needs? Was Endorian tusked-rodent served? If it was just a ruse, why bother with the dinner table at all? Discuss. @Chen G. & @Schilkeman, feel free to weigh in also. Erik Woods, Trope, Chen G. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Was Darth Vader going to remove his helmet so that he could eat some Bantha steaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 670 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Robot Chicken had an idea of what happened - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,793 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Nick1Ø66 said: What's the deal with Vader sitting at a fully set out dinner table on Cloud City and saying that he and Boba Fett would be honoured if Solo, Leia and Chewy joined him? Good, the discussion's come back to food... My personal reading of the scene is that Vader sat down to a plate of linguine al nero mon calamari, and whilst chewing said to them, "I'm going to make you an offer you cannot refuse." I don't know if this jives with the official interpretation known only to George Lucas and select Lucasfilm employees/contractors, but I like it. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,398 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: It's one of the staples of JWFan! One of our biggest and most reliable institutions! We can't let this thread die! It has a long-standing tradition of existence to its members and to the community at large. Edmilson and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 3 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said: My personal reading of the scene is that Vader sat down to a plate of linguine al nero mon calamari, and whilst chewing said to them Vader clearly likes to have something Chewy for dinner. Mr. Hooper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted January 24 Popular Post Share Posted January 24 The secret canon is that Vader staged the dinner so he could size up his daughter’s new boyfriend. They ate womp rat kabobs because that’s all Anakin ever learned how to cook. Don’t bother trying to disagree with any of this Mattris. I’m friends with several executives and contractors at Lucasfilm and they’ve all confirmed this is the correct interpretation. Nick1Ø66, Mr. Hooper, Trope and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said: The secret canon is that Vader staged the dinner so he could size up his daughter’s new boyfriend. They ate womp rat kabobs because that’s all Anakin ever learned how to cook. Don’t bother trying to disagree with any of this Mattris. I’m friends with several executives and contractors at Lucasfilm and they’ve all confirmed this is the correct interpretation. Mattris spotted at Skywalker Ranch late last night. Mr. Hooper, Mattris and A. A. Ron 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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