Star Wars Disenchantment

[Brónach 1,302]

1 hour ago, Edmilson said:

The sad fact is that, these days, people only watch animations in theaters if they're based on existing properties, like sequels (Finding Dory, Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, Minions 2, etc) or a game adaptation like Mario.

 

this is the thing

 

meanwhile, in a different country, in their Star Wars equivalent, the lesbian centered reboot of the frachise (and now trying to aim for girls in general) is being a complete cash cow and it's difficult to even buy the toys because they run out

 

also taking full advantage of the fact they've always been cleverer and have multiple canons/timelines so they can do what they want each time

[Edmilson 7,548]

9 minutes ago, Demodex said:

Never heard of it. 

It was completely ignored at the box office. One of Disney's biggest animated disasters ever. And I may be wrong but AFAIK it was also ignored on Disney+ too, unlike Encanto, which was a flop at the box office but a hit on streaming.

 

1 minute ago, Brónach said:

this is the thing

Yep. The last truly original animated hit was Coco, back in late 2017.

[Brónach 1,302]

1 hour ago, Mattris said:

My absolute last word on this topic:  Parents are responsible for what their young children are exposed to.

 

They should wear a mask, yes.

[Giftheck 921]

I'm just genuinely surprised I haven't seen him bring up the 'nine books the films were based on' thing (something I thought was a delusion from my sperm donor but it appears a few other people believe it too)

[Mattris 416]

48 minutes ago, Demodex said:

Please tell me the secret before you leave!  

I'm guessing the big reveal will be that Star Wars is an allegory for religion.  Evil (Palpatine) will always exist. 

Unless all the Jedi kill themselves.  

 

Star Wars is, by definition, an allegory. Various religions can already be found in the Star Wars galaxy. For instance, Mando said that the Mandalorian religion is their creed.

 

The conclusion of the Star Wars Saga will be based around Rey forming her own Jedi Order suicide cult to stop evil ol' grandpa Palps? That doesn't sound very nice. It's certainly not what I think will happen.

 

19 minutes ago, Giftheck said:

I'm just genuinely surprised I haven't seen him bring up the 'nine books the films were based on' thing (something I thought was a delusion from my sperm donor but it appears a few other people believe it too)

 

Nine books?

[mstrox 6,659]

Star Wars is based on nine books of the Bible - but not the nine you think!

[Demodex 557]

2 hours ago, Giftheck said:

I'm just genuinely surprised I haven't seen him bring up the 'nine books the films were based on' thing (something I thought was a delusion from my sperm donor but it appears a few other people believe it too)

 

WHAT??

[Edmilson 7,548]

Let's have some fun with math!

 

This thread has 9,056 posts (well, 9,057 counting with this one). Out of those, 1,014 were written by Mattriss. That means 11.2% of the posts on this thread belong to him. I'm pretty sure this is one of the biggest ratios on the forum for big threads.

 

Also, next May this thread will celebrate its fifth anniversary (specifically on May 25th, 2023, which will also be the 40th anniversary of Return of the Jedi). Supposing it will have 10k of posts by then, this means that, on average, this thread has received 2,000 posts per year. Of course, some years (2018, 19, 22, 23) surely were more popular than others (2020 was a mostly empty year for disenchantment regarding Star Wars).

 

Still, if we apply the same ratio, we find out that, on average, Mattris writes 224 posts on this thread per year. 

 

So yeah, every year 2,000 posts are posted on the Disenchantment thread, 11% of each belonging to a single member.

 

I dunno, I'm bored and lately this is the only thread that is seeing some action these days on JWFan.

[Mattris 416]

What I want to know: The total number of words written in this thread... and what percentage of them are mine.

 

Also, which member holds the record for total number of words written on this entire forum? How about average words per post? Can I get an award?

[Jay 37,467]

I don't think IPBoard tracks any of those metrics, but it would be interesting if it did 

[Mattris 416]

Excellent number crunching, @Edmilson. But I doubt this thread will receive over 900 posts in the next month, mainly due to the fact that I'll be taking a break soon.

 

If this thread totals 10k posts by the end of the year, I'll be surprised. By that time, there might be less of a reason to be disenchanted about Star Wars.

[Holko 9,582]

I know who holds the record for highest percentage of bullshit without needing stats.

[Mattris 416]

Without stats, facts, or evidence, any claims you make will be meaningless.

[Jurassic Shark 12,174]

It was just a matter of time before Holko was dethroned. 

 

9 hours ago, Brónach said:

Star Wars equivalent

 

What is this equivalent you're talking about?

[Giftheck 921]

7 hours ago, Demodex said:

 

WHAT??

 

Oh yeah, there's people that believe the films are based on nine books. I thought my 'father' was just nuts because he has the unfortunate habit of making things up, but I realised he wasn't alone when I saw somebody repeat that claim somewhere else. IIRC it was actually in a video on the Star Wars YouTube channel as well (not in the comments - in the actual video - they were doing street interviews to build hype for something on the channel in a segment of one of their videos, I can't remember if it was Celebration or Episode IX though). Given the thousands of videos on there, it might take me a while to find it though 😅

[Brónach 1,302]

1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said:

What is this equivalent you're talking about?

 

Mobile Suit Gundam

[Groovygoth666 703]

1 hour ago, Brónach said:

 

Mobile Suit Gundam

Is that the Witch of Mercury you're talking about?

[Bespin 8,499]

[Chen G. 3,993]

On 29/04/2023 at 10:39 AM, Giftheck said:

there's people that believe the films are based on nine books.

 

If you look at drafts of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, they're often credited as "based on the novel by George Lucas." In 2004, Lucas said he's making "nine films out of one book."

 

Spoiler: he lied.

[Mattris 416]

The Star Wars Saga was designed to be one story told in twelve episodes, with Return of the Jedi (Episode VI) marking its halfway point, not 'The End'.

 

George Lucas made six films himself. Under Kathleen Kennedy's supervision, Lucasfilm will make six more.

 

Once the story is understood, the Star Wars audience will be able to accept what has happened, in and out of the films. But at this time, assumption, distraction, and disenchantment have overwhelmed them. Even the possibly that they've got it wrong is unfathomable. So they go on assuming, complaining, and being distracted.

 

They needn't worry... because they will be shown the error of their ways. And they will like it.

[Brónach 1,302]

On 29/04/2023 at 10:47 AM, Groovygoth666 said:

Is that the Witch of Mercury you're talking about?

 

yes

[Sweeping Strings 2,391]

On 28/04/2023 at 2:39 PM, Jay said:

 

Well this is the most ridiculous thing I've read in this entire thread, and you've now revealed yourself to be a bigot.  I don't know why anybody took you seriously before, but I really don't know why anybody would take you seriously now.

 

 

 

Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum.  You're choosing to engage with a troll, and you let him get under your skin - You let him win.  Be better!

Devil's advocate - if site admin regards Mattris as a troll, how come he's still being allowed to post? 

[Brónach 1,302]

he mostly calls us dumb indirectly, so he technically isn't breaking rules there i suppose?

[Jay 37,467]

There's certainly different kinds of trolls out there, and Mattris is not one of the harmful ones because all the posts he makes that get people angry are contained entirely within this one thread that anyone can easily ignore

 

Also, he doesn't resort to personal attacks, he simply posts his theories about Star Wars, and various members here let themselves get riled up by his theories and then THEY resort to personal attacks

 

If everybody chose to ignore him, he'd find some other place to try to get people riled up. But because it's working here, this has gone on for years now.

 

I'm not the kind of guy who sets out to stop anyone from having fun if they aren't harming anyone else, so if people want to debate Star Wars endlessly, it's certainly not off-topic to do so, and the containment to one thread is nice and tidy.  It's just when personal attacks enter the picture, or if this was as situation where multiple threads were getting derailed, that a mod has to step in, really.  

Even being a bigot isn't against any forum rules really.  It's just always unfortunate when you learn that about someone.

[Tallguy 3,446]

51 minutes ago, Jay said:

this has gone on for years now

 

Oy.

[A. A. Ron 1,745]

Here's to many more years!

[Edmilson 7,548]

Come on, folks, we need a little more than 900 posts on this thread until May 25th! It'd be quite an event if the Disenchantment thread gets to 10k posts on the 46th birthday of A New Hope, 40th birthday of Return of the Jedi and 5th birthday of the creation of this thread.

 

We can do it! 

[Brónach 1,302]

what if it were the perfect time to ban replies to Matris in them rules

[GerateWohl 4,445]

14 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Come on, folks, we need a little more than 900 posts on this thread until May 25th! It'd be quite an event if the Disenchantment thread gets to 10k posts on the 46th birthday of A New Hope, 40th birthday of Return of the Jedi and 5th birthday of the creation of this thread.

 

We can do it! 

We could discuss if it is time to rename the thread into "Star Wars Enchantment".

 

Or the Star Wars / Marvel relation.

I mean, 2019 was the absolute low point for Star Wars and the highpoint for the MCU. The year where "Avengers Endgame" and "The Rise of Skywalker" hit theaters. Star Wars seemed almost dead by then.

In the meantime it almost turned. Star Wars is getting better and better and Marvel, ... might become better again some time in the future. Who knows.

[DarthDementous 1,060]

11 hours ago, Jay said:

 

Also, he doesn't resort to personal attacks, he simply posts his theories about Star Wars, and various members here let themselves get riled up by his theories and then THEY resort to personal attacks

That’s absolutely not true that Mattris hasn’t resorted to personal attacks. The only person that has claimed that is, surprise-surprise, Mattris himself.

[A. A. Ron 1,745]

Are they really personal attacks if they're always directed at everyone else?

[Jay 37,467]

17 minutes ago, DarthDementous said:

That’s absolutely not true that Mattris hasn’t resorted to personal attacks. The only person that has claimed that is, surprise-surprise, Mattris himself.

 

Interesting ; I don't have time to read every word posted on this thread, but nobody has ever used the report function on one of his posts for a personal attack. That's a very important tool people need to use to make sure we see these things. 

[HunterTech 996]

Yeah, the amount of times he's outright stated his self-proclaimed superiority over all of us is a bit staggering. I guess because he says it in such a flowery manner that it could hardly even register as an unintentional insult, given it's the personality that is standing out more. I couldn't think of any examples off the top of my head, since it tends to get buried within everything else he says.

[Jay 37,467]

Yea, it's all ego stuff, which is why I've said like a dozen times if you all just ignored him he'd stop posting here. But you all keep engaging. 

[DarthDementous 1,060]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

Interesting ; I don't have time to read every word posted on this thread, but nobody has ever used the report function on one of his posts for a personal attack. That's a very important tool people need to use to make sure we see these things. 

To be honest I didn’t even know that was a thing or a valid reason to use that, but noted for the future

1 hour ago, A. A. Ron said:

Are they really personal attacks if they're always directed at everyone else?

They’re not though, he has been very specific with his insults depending on which particular person takes his ire. I’ve been on the receiving end of that in the past when I thought engaging was in anyway productive

[GerateWohl 4,445]

Mattris argumentations might be ignorant and annoying and people involved might feel insulted by it, but Mattris never makes personal attacks. On the other hand, he gets attacked more. So I think, rather he could use the report button sometimes.

[HunterTech 996]

I find it a bit hard to dismiss the (likely unintentional) implication that some of the others here have been obnoxious enough to warrant being reported. Mattris is at least a strong sport in letting nothing negative we say get to him emotionally (though that's probably because the fact we respond at all is what gets him on his high horse, so really it'd be counterintuitive for him to report anyone if the whole point is that there's any activity here in the first place).

In any case, one can easily make a list of the times he's been pushy towards others (which only gets lost because he says a lot), so I don't buy this whole one-sided nature being what's happening.

[Chen G. 3,993]

On 01/05/2023 at 2:13 AM, Mattris said:

The Star Wars Saga was designed to be one story told in twelve episodes, with Return of the Jedi (Episode VI) marking its halfway point, not 'The End'.

 

Oi, Mattris, want something to blow your mind? From a Kenner ad from August 1979:

 

 

“Thirteen additional Star Wars episodes have already been written.”

[Brónach 1,302]

What's a different, better topic that we can consider to talk about here?

[mstrox 6,659]

Twin Peaks

[Brónach 1,302]

oh my god!! i have never seen Twin Peaks!!

[Holko 9,582]

You can't be disenchanted with Twin Peaks

[Sweeping Strings 2,391]

Indeed not. Lovely girl. 

lol? 

[Mattris 416]

19 hours ago, Jay said:

Even being a bigot isn't against any forum rules really.  It's just always unfortunate when you learn that about someone.

 

Jay, I would appreciate it if you would please stop calling me a bigot, even if you are convinced that's what I am.

 

I'll remind everyone here that my stated opinions were based solely on specific mature/controversial material contained within content made for young children.

[Jurassic Shark 12,174]

Another word for bigot is fanatic. I therefore suggest changing the name of this website into JWBig.

 

[Brónach 1,302]

9 minutes ago, Mattris said:

I'll remind everyone here that my stated opinions were based solely on specific mature/controversial material contained within content made for young children.

 

but you're posting controversial material about content made for young children

[Naïve Old Fart 9,655]

1 hour ago, Brónach said:

oh my god!! i have never seen Twin Peaks!!

 

I envy you, greatly. You have much to look forward to.

 

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Mattris said:

...my stated opinions were based solely on specific mature/controversial material contained within content made for young children.

 

 

I have seen turds made with more "mature/controversial...content...for young children", than the ST.

[mstrox 6,659]

Aint nothing mature or controversial about any person kissing any other consenting person (at least not any more so than all of the consensual and not so consensual/sleeping kisses in the Disney children’s classics), and if you think there is, it a bigoted line of thought.  To bring the thread back on topic, here is the FBI’s own Gordon Cole:

 

 

 

[Jay 37,467]

6 hours ago, Mattris said:

Jay, I would appreciate it if you would please stop calling me a bigot, even if you are convinced that's what I am.

 

I'll remind everyone here that my stated opinions were based solely on specific mature/controversial material contained within content made for young children.

 

Yes, exactly;  Two people kissing each other for 1.5 seconds is not "mature" material.  It's just two people kissing each other.  If you consider it to be "normal" when the 2 people are different genders, but "mature" when the two people are the same gender, then you are bigoted against homosexuality.  It's fine if that's what you are, you're not going to be banned because you feel that way, but you should certainly expect people to treat you differently now that you have revealed this about yourself.  

[Tallguy 3,446]

13 hours ago, Jay said:

Yea, it's all ego stuff, which is why I've said like a dozen times if you all just ignored him he'd stop posting here. But you all keep engaging. 

 

I know, I know.