Holko 9,529 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, redishere said: he did reuse the Ark theme for a few seconds in the warehouse scene of Indy4. Well, Indy 4 already apes reuses a ton of one-off setpiece bits from its predecessors, so it's not the greatest example perhaps - I'd bring up Last Crusade, which quotes the Ark likewise when it's shown as a fresco in the Venice catacombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, redishere said: he did reuse the Ark theme for a few seconds in the warehouse scene of Indy4. Well, you talked about adapted and cleverly shifted, not 'insertions' which are essentially boring, musically (Williams annoyingly prefers those since the prequels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, publicist said: Well, you talked about adapted and cleverly shifted, not 'insertions' which are essentially boring, musically (Williams annoyingly prefers those since the prequels). That was me that said that actually. redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 Fawkes is a phoenix, a creature full of myths and origin mystique, and also power. He's also a very fairy tale character in COS. His theme is appropriately buoyant for a bird, as well as wondrous in its primary theme, can sound fierce like in the finale, and is wonderfully sensitive to the relationship between Harry and Dumbledore that Fawkes stands for in the film. In short, people saying it's not appropriate are fools. Bofur01, redishere, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 14 minutes ago, publicist said: Well, you talked about adapted and cleverly shifted, not 'insertions' which are essentially boring, musically (Williams annoyingly prefers those since the prequels). I think he simply wouldn't resist adapting and shifting more important themes or motifs for things or characters that aren't mere inserts. Dobby, the Chamber of Secrets, Fawkes, Voldemort You-Know-Who, Hogwarts… they all have recognizable themes JW would've surely reworked. The final entries in the saga are begging to have themes reused: consistency is one of the issues preventing HP to be 100% effective for me. I've already brought this up, but hearing old themes in Deathly Hallows would've hit me right in the feels. 16 minutes ago, Holko said: I'd bring up Last Crusade, which quotes the Ark likewise when it's shown as a fresco in the Venice catacombs. Right, I keep forgetting it! Holko, Molly Weasley and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, redishere said: Right, I keep forgetting it! Maybe if it was... you know... released or something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Holko said: Maybe if it was... you know... released or something! I'm not familiar with the Indy soundtrack releases, so your comment may have swooshed over my head, but I hear the soundtrack collection was a bit of a mess. I should probably not lift the lid of this Ark of the Concord (or check related threads and have my face melted off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 good. Wait for MM to rectify that stillborn mess. It still leaves a ton of cues or significantly different film takes unreleased, that being one of them. redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, redishere said: I think he simply wouldn't resist adapting and shifting more important themes or motifs for things or characters that aren't mere inserts. Dobby, the Chamber of Secrets, Fawkes, Voldemort You-Know-Who, Hogwarts… they all have recognizable themes JW would've surely reworked. I doubt the Chamber theme would have come back but I like to think Dobby and Fawkes would have gotten token reprisals (not to mention characters/items Williams never got to like Umbridge). I always thought Dobby's theme had a tinge of melancholy that might have worked for his death, slower and appropriately rearranged. "Farewell to Dobby" incidentally shares a brief repeating phrase with Williams's melody which I've always kinda enjoyed/desperately clung to We'd all have criticisms/pedantic nitpicks if JW did the whole thing, whether he overused or underused stuff, but at the very least I think effective, continuing musical identities for Voldemort/Death Eaters, familial relationships/friendships, and teen romance would have been much improved. I never expected his fellow composers to dig that deep into the lexicon but too many opportunities were either ignored or reset for my liking, even within their own films! Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows 2 are the only post-Williams entries to carry anything at all over beyond Hedwig's Theme and while "Fireworks" for the Weasley twins is a memorable tie, I like Desplat's Horcrux motif, "Leaving Hogwarts" is appreciated, and I guess even Hooper's "Quidditch Third Year" thing is a nice arbitrary try, it's mostly too little too late. Cerebral Cortex, crumbs, Not Mr. Big and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I doubt the Chamber theme would have come back but I like to think Dobby and Fawkes would have gotten token reprisals (not to mention characters/items Williams never got to like Umbridge). I always thought Dobby's theme had a tinge of melancholy that might have worked for his death, slower and appropriately rearranged. "Farewell to Dobby" incidentally shares a brief repeating phrase with Williams's melody which I've always kinda enjoyed/desperately clung to We'd all have criticisms/pedantic nitpicks if JW did the whole thing, whether he overused or underused stuff, but at the very least I think some effective, continuing musical identities for Voldemort/Death Eaters and teen romance would have been much improved. I never expected his fellow composers to dig that deep into the lexicon but too many opportunities were either ignored or reset for my liking, even within their own films! Half-Blood Prince and Deathly Hallows 2 are the only post-Williams entries to carry anything at all over beyond Hedwig's Theme and while "Fireworks" for the Weasley twins is a memorable tie, I like Desplat's Horcrux motif, "Leaving Hogwarts" is appreciated, and I guess even Hooper's "Quidditch Third Year" thing is a nice arbitrary try, it's mostly too little too late. Agreed. Nice catch on Farewell to Dobby btw, I never caught that but it does have a similar phrase! Yeah I appreciated the times we did get recurring themes even when they weren't Williams, but damn I really wish some more of his themes came back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Agreed. Nice catch on Farewell to Dobby btw, I never caught that but it does have a similar phrase! To be fair, I so badly wanted it in there that I was listening for absolutely any passing resemblance but I still fondly remember my first listen When it kept going over and over I was like "He fuckin did it!!!" Coincidence to be sure but it's all I've got so I'll take it. Cerebral Cortex and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 hours ago, publicist said: I find that totally forgettable, musically. Just another ominous phrase. It sounds too much like the Family Guy theme song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Doyle's isn't as strong but I would have been happy enough if Hooper/Desplat continued it. Would have been something, anyway. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: To be fair, I so badly wanted it in there that I was listening for absolutely any passing resemblance but I still fondly remember my first listen When it kept going over and over I was like "He fuckin did it!!!" It's all I've got but I'll take it. Huh. I actually heard the similarity in a different location: It's not as close as it could be, but it sort of resembles the CoS phrase slowed down a lot and played on Violin. Imagine if it was a closer match though. 😢 redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Either way, I think a more deliberate reference wouldn't have been too much of a stretch from either of these. Might have worked. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, mrbellamy said: Either way, I think a more deliberate reference wouldn't have been too much of a stretch from either of these. Might have worked. Pssh. It absolutely would have worked. Not to mention you could've used a much closer to the original version earlier on in DH1 to replace this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Well yeah, that's just annoying. One of many rather needless replacements. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, mrbellamy said: Well yeah, that's just annoying. And how about this? Would a sadder version of Fawke's theme not been more appropriate for this scene (maybe somehow mixed with some Reunion of Friends material) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 It'd have been better for Dumbs' funeral if they haven't thrown that in the garbage. Once and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 The Three Note Loop-ish phrase in the thematically appropriate "Destroying the Locket" is another one of those "almost!" Desplat moments. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, mrbellamy said: The Three Note Loop-ish phrase in the thematically appropriate "Destroying the Locket" is another one of those "almost!" Desplat moments. Desplat is off on legit quotes by one or two notes sometimes. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Actually that reminds me, part of Three Note Loop does literally show up note for note in "Sky Battle," right before Voldy himself shows up. You gotta wonder. Although in context, Desplat is really continuing a variation on "Hedwig's Theme" there so I think it's more an example of how cohesive Williams's material was in that first score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 605 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 For me, it's not only about the themes that could or would have returned. I'm mostly dreaming about all the new material he would have composed. The world of Harry Potter clearly inspired some very great music from Williams and I often find myself wondering how he would have handled set pieces or character themes from 4-8. I'm sure he would've adored Luna Lovegood. Not Mr. Big, TSMefford, redishere and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 I think in large part, he would have followed a lot of the same thematic strategies that the other composers used, but it would have been lovely to hear his take on the Yule Ball (Doyle's waltzes are fabulous though!), Umbridge, textural stuff like the possessions and memories. I always longed for some new Williams love themes. Not to mention all the big setpieces and emotional overtures of course. It would be fun to speculate what his concert pieces for each score would have been. TSMefford, Holko, Once and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, Once said: For me, it's not only about the themes that could or would have returned. I'm mostly dreaming about all the new material he would have composed. The world of Harry Potter clearly inspired some very great music from Williams and I often find myself wondering how he would have handled set pieces or character themes from 4-8. I'm sure he would've adored Luna Lovegood. Oh yes absolutely! Imagine some legit material for Snape, Umbridge, Malfoy, Slughorn, Horcruxes, etc. 13 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Actually that reminds me, part of Three Note Loop does literally show up note for note in "Sky Battle," right before Voldy himself shows up. You gotta wonder. Although in context, Desplat is really continuing a variation on "Hedwig's Theme" there so I think it's more an example of how cohesive Williams's material was in that first score. Is that Three-Note Loop? I thought that was just a subtle Hedwig's Theme statement. Since...that's when she...you know... Once and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Is that Three-Note Loop? I thought that was just a subtle Hedwig's Theme statement. Since...that's when she...you know... It is, but that variation happens to be a phrase from Three Note Loop. Which is what I mean when I say Williams's stuff was all of a piece. Another example of that, the little theme people call "Ron's Theme" is also circling around the contour of "Hedwig's Theme" before wandering off on its own trail. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Is that Three-Note Loop? I thought that was just a subtle Hedwig's Theme statement. It is Hedwig's Theme (it plays right after Hedwig dies), but it also shares some notes with Three-Note Loop, I just didn't notice it TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 So I guess Hermoine wasn't worthy of her own theme, but the bird was? TSMefford and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Two birds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Warrior of Wet Dreams said: So I guess Hermoine wasn't worthy of her own theme, but the bird was? This'll do: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Great discussion about Fawkes. Let me illustrate further. As some people have pointed out, Fawkes is NOT a character. It is a concept. Fawkes has one and one and only one purpose in COS. It is to facilitate a deux ex machina. A last-minute save for the imperiled hero. Think the eagles in LOTR. So Fawkes is setup up earlier in the story so that it's return as the deux ex machina is more impactful in the finale. Fawkes should have had an ethereal theme that gave you chills. Perfect example - nature's reclaimantion by Shore. That's a theme that amid dark music comes and provides the hope but is still one with the surrounding music. Now imagine nature's reclaimantion in LOTR and imagine replacing it with a pompous grand waltz. It would be so inappropriate. That's what Williams did in COS. For it's story purpose, the theme is completely wrong. Again, Williams did not put much thought into this and just randomly wrote a concert suite without considering how it applied to the story and what the music was supposed to do. I think something like Williams own patronus like music would have been more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, TSMefford said: This'll do: Yeah, but that's the KER-SPLAT guy, so who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Great discussion about Fawkes. Let me illustrate further. As some people have pointed out, Fawkes is NOT a character. It is a concept. Fawkes has one and one and only one purpose in COS. It is to facilitate a deux ex machina. A last-minute save for the imperiled hero. Think the eagles in LOTR. So Fawkes is setup up earlier in the story so that it's return as the deux ex machina is more impactful in the finale. Fawkes should have had an ethereal theme that gave you chills. Perfect example - nature's reclaimantion by Shore. That's a theme that amid dark music comes and provides the hope but is still one with the surrounding music. Now imagine nature's reclaimantion in LOTR and imagine replacing it with a pompous grand waltz. It would be so inappropriate. That's what Williams did in COS. For it's story purpose, the theme is completely wrong. Again, Williams did not put much thought into this and just randomly wrote a concert suite without considering how it applied to the story and what the music was supposed to do. I think something like Williams own patronus like music would have been more appropriate. Really interesting. I think Fawkes' Theme is not a bad theme by itself, and it still works if you think of it as a motif conveying how Harry feels when Fawkes saves him. It would've been cool to see Williams use that theme and a motif for Fawkes' call, a sort of ethereal cry that fills you with both hope and emotion (yes, the Patronus light example is spot on!) TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Great discussion about Fawkes. Let me illustrate further. As some people have pointed out, Fawkes is NOT a character. It is a concept. Fawkes has one and one and only one purpose in COS. It is to facilitate a deux ex machina. A last-minute save for the imperiled hero. Think the eagles in LOTR. So Fawkes is setup up earlier in the story so that it's return as the deux ex machina is more impactful in the finale. Fawkes should have had an ethereal theme that gave you chills. Perfect example - nature's reclaimantion by Shore. That's a theme that amid dark music comes and provides the hope but is still one with the surrounding music. Now imagine nature's reclaimantion in LOTR and imagine replacing it with a pompous grand waltz. It would be so inappropriate. That's what Williams did in COS. For it's story purpose, the theme is completely wrong. Again, Williams did not put much thought into this and just randomly wrote a concert suite without considering how it applied to the story and what the music was supposed to do. I think something like Williams own patronus like music would have been more appropriate. I still totally disagree. Many of you who don't think Fawke's theme is appropriate have referenced it multiple times as seemingly only capable of appearing as, as you say "a pompous grand waltz", which is simply not the case. I'd hardly use that phrase to describe the opening 30 seconds of this cue: I think Chamber just scratched the surface of what this theme could be, and as we've pointed out, it would've been great to hear variations of it moving forward when appropriate (when associated with Fawkes or Dumbledore) redishere, Once and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Desplat wrote a very nice theme for Hermione, which you can hear at the end of The Dumbledores and it even gets distorted later when she's being tortured. Very clever writing. Once and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, redishere said: Really interesting. I think Fawkes' Theme is not a bad theme by itself, and it still works if you think of it as a motif conveying how Harry feels when Fawkes saves him. It would've been cool to see Williams use that theme and a motif for Fawkes' call, a sort of ethereal cry that fills you with both hope and emotion (yes, the Patronus light example is spot on!) This is a great sentiment. I don't feel like the Fawkes scenes would've been as effective with something like The Patronus Light. I certainly don't think I would've felt the majestic wonder and sincerity behind Fawkes. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, TSMefford said: I still totally disagree. Many of you who don't think Fawke's theme is appropriate have referenced it multiple times as seemingly only capable of appearing as, as you say "a pompous grand waltz", which is simply not the case. I'd hardly use that phrase to describe the opening 30 seconds of this cue: I think Chamber just scratched the surface of what this theme could be, and as we've pointed out, it would've been great to hear variations of it moving forward when appropriate (when associated with Fawkes or Dumbledore) There is just something in its phrasing, staggered ascending notes that makes it this warm holiday theme. Like I said, the theme has literally one scene where it has do to the heavy lifting and it kinda fails because it doesn't match what's happening at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, TSMefford said: I still totally disagree. Many of you who don't think Fawke's theme is appropriate have referenced it multiple times as seemingly only capable of appearing as, as you say "a pompous grand waltz", which is simply not the case. I'd hardly use that phrase to describe the opening 30 seconds of this cue: I think Chamber just scratched the surface of what this theme could be, and as we've pointed out, it would've been great to hear variations of it moving forward when appropriate (when associated with Fawkes or Dumbledore) I guess that's what publicist means by thinking it sounds too "Christmasy." Whatever, though, it always entranced me as a kid so I'm happy enough to trust that. I suppose there is a version of this scene where the music essentially stops the action and focuses on the more haunting side of Fawkes’s heroics. May have been more captivating, but I'm not convinced this is some huge dramatic misstep or loss. It works fine as an action beat. TSMefford, Once and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I find that the Patronus Light is more like a lullaby. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, mstrox said: Two birds! Three, buckbeak also has his motif... Williams seems to like birds and trees TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, TheUlyssesian said: There is just something in its phrasing, staggered ascending notes that makes it this warm holiday theme. Like I said, the theme has literally one scene where it has do to the heavy lifting and it kinda fails because it doesn't match what's happening at all. I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this. Lol. I disagree yet again. I think it fits perfectly fine. Can you not hear the underlying sadness in the theme as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 The patronus music is an example, it conveys something mysterious, enigmatic and wondrous happening. Fawkes sounds like kids cheering when United with their family or something. It just has that warm hot chocolate in your hand feel. Fawkes would fit well when saw gryfinndor won the house cup and there is cheering and celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, TSMefford said: This is a great sentiment. I don't feel like the Fawkes scenes would've been as effective with something like The Patronus Light. I certainly don't think I would've felt the majestic wonder and sincerity behind Fawkes. You're right: what I meant is, it would've been interesting if Williams composed both a theme for Fawkes and one for his cry. So the waltz-y romantic warmth of the first would've matched the most heroic action scenes, and his cry would've worked as a sort of overlay, or underscore for the most heart-wrenching moments. Kinda like the Patronus Light is mixed with A Window To The Past in the Dementors Converge. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: The patronus music is an example, it conveys something mysterious, enigmatic and wondrous happening. Fawkes sounds like kids cheering when United with their family or something. It just has that warm hot chocolate in your hand feel. Fawkes would fit well when saw gryfinndor won the house cup and there is cheering and celebration. Damn. It's really unfortunate that that is all you hear. I hear majesty, wonder, nobility, sincerity, and as I said in my other post I hear a bit of sadness underneath all that as well. Which is, in my mind, how we're supposed to feel about Fawkes, not just here, but throughout the series as a whole. I'm not hearing the Christmas vibe at all honestly. I love debating music. So interesting. So many different interpretations. 5 minutes ago, redishere said: You're right: what I meant is, it would've been interesting if Williams composed both a theme for Fawkes and one for his cry. So the waltz-y romantic warmth of the first would've matched the most heroic action scenes, and his cry would've worked as a sort of overlay, or underscore for the most heart-wrenching moments. Kinda like the Patronus Light is mixed with A Window To The Past in the Dementors Converge. Or how Lily's screams in PoA sort almost work with the music when it appears? Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 1 minute ago, TSMefford said: Or how Lily's screams in PoA sort almost work with the music when it appears? Kind of, yeah! I actually get the Christmas-y vibe @TheUlyssesian feels when listening to Fawkes' Theme, but I think it works fine if you think of it as a theme depicting the way Fawkes makes you feel (joyous, invincible, etc). This is why I thought we'd need something conveying what Fawkes sounds like, and yeah, it could actually work as a blend of SFX and score! @TSMefford PLOT TWIST: William Ross composed Fawkes' Theme TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, redishere said: Kind of, yeah! I actually get the Christmas-y vibe @TheUlyssesian feels when listening to Fawkes' Theme, but I think it works fine if you think of it as a theme depicting the way Fawkes makes you feel (joyous, invincible, etc). This is why I thought we'd need something conveying what Fawkes sounds like, and yeah, it could actually work as a blend of SFX and score! Okay. I can hear it more in the Concert version Williams wrote, but only when it's really at it's fullest rendition. When it's big, happy, and joyous, yes. It does get a bit Holiday-esque. But in the film itself? Here, for me, it starts out as Wonder, Beauty, Magic and Majesty. Honestly besides the final time it appears, this is one of the most joyous moments. It's a discovery moment though. Fawkes first appearance. Then around 1:43, it gets slower, still light and lots of Wonder (it's a friggin rebirth scene for crying out loud), but I hear a bit of sadness and melancholy in there as well. I won't waste post space reposting some of the earlier examples, but I just hear more potential and other things in it, I guess. I wish some of you guys heard it too. The feels it gives me is great. I do appreciate the discussion @TheUlyssesian. I've enjoyed looking back at all the renditions of this theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redishere 697 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, TSMefford said: I won't waste post space reposting some of the earlier examples. Not a waste of space! Talking in depth about all this great music is a lot better than arguing about nonsense, and it's a good way to kill time while we wait for a certain package to arrive at our doorstep Anyway, I get what you're saying: I can feel the melancholy you're talking about! TSMefford and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, redishere said: Not a waste of space! Talking in depth about all this great music is a lot better than arguing about nonsense, and it's a good way to kill time while we wait for a certain package to arrive at our doorstep Anyway, I get what you're saying: I can feel the melancholy you're talking about! Speaking of which...Where’s DUDLEY’S THEME?! redishere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,289 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Fawkes sounds like kids cheering when United with their family or something. It just has that warm hot chocolate in your hand feel. Fawkes would fit well when saw gryfinndor won the house cup and there is cheering and celebration. Well, I think “warm hot chocolate” is a pretty apt description of the films themselves. It’s not like Columbus was creating some dark visual mood piece, which you certainly could out of those first two books. The kind of films he’s chasing here goes along with Christmas trees and families of all ages, so I don’t see that that vibe in Williams’s scores isn’t really gelling with the director’s overall intentions. Rowling’s vision is another story, it’s obviously a common criticism that the early movies and even sometimes the later ones soften the tone of her storytelling. Once and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 12 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Speaking of which...Where’s DUDLEY’S THEME?! Carter Burwell finally wrote it this year A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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