Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: Lord knows. Lord Voldemort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,348 Posted May 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2020 You dare speak his name? YOU FILTHY HALF-BLOOD! Pieter Boelen, Molly Weasley and crlbrg 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 18 hours ago, bollemanneke said: You dare speak his name? YOU FILTHY HALF-BLOOD! Me? Half a wizard? That's so much better than a Muggle. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted May 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2020 Interesting again. In the score can see at least 2 old types of sounding of the Time Turner. The earliest version can be seen in cue 7M1A (on LLL Saving Buckbeak (Alternate Segment)). Clock sounds have a separate line written out, and he basically duplicated other instruments (I made a mockup of this version). Then, the second version can be seen in 7M1 (track Time Past, Saving Buckbeak - 2:42-5:25). There is no definite pitch here, and it sounds only in quarter notes (except for syncopation, which look very strange). But in one place, the sound seems to be changing a little. In 6M7 (same track 0:00-2:42), the final version is already indicated, which sounds in the film and in the soundtrack. And this "ticking" sounds instead of all previous versions. It is possible that during the production process there were other versions of time turner. It's funny to imagine that the composer/orchestrators wrote music designed for a different clock sound, but the final version still sounds good. Smeltington, crlbrg and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 hours ago, ragoz350 said: Interesting again. In the score can see at least 2 old types of sounding of the Time Turner. The earliest version can be seen in cue 7M1A (on LLL Saving Buckbeak (Alternate Segment)). Clock sounds have a separate line written out, and he basically duplicated other instruments (I made a mockup of this version). Then, the second version can be seen in 7M1 (track Time Past, Saving Buckbeak - 2:42-5:25). There is no definite pitch here, and it sounds only in quarter notes (except for syncopation, which look very strange). But in one place, the sound seems to be changing a little. In 6M7 (same track 0:00-2:42), the final version is already indicated, which sounds in the film and in the soundtrack. And this "ticking" sounds instead of all previous versions. It is possible that during the production process there were other versions of time turner. It's funny to imagine that the composer/orchestrators wrote music designed for a different clock sound, but the final version still sounds good. I will just make note that while working on cutting the film versions of these cues that the ticking does actually vary in sound slightly. In order to loop in some ticking not including on the LLL release I couldn't simply pull from the cleanest ticking sound from anywhere in the track. It didn't match. I can try to grab some audio examples soon. Disregard. Seems to be more an EQ thing. Not really a different sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I made a mockup of one of the POA cues, which initially did not have WttP theme. This is the second scene of Harry's conversation with Lupin, after quidditch match (cue 4M3+4 New).Interestingly, initially there should have been a slower tempo (and the scene apparently should have been longer). Perhaps the decision to add WttP theme here was made very late, so I have a conspiracy theory that the horn player at the beginning of the music mistakenly starts playing at the old tempo, but then he corrects it (since the beginning is the same in both versions). In my mockup, I still set a faster tempo, but maybe I'm wrong. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 So this is utterly random and I'm not sure if any really care, but I just discovered it today by total accident. I found out the composer of the first minute of "Trailer" from Disc 2 on Prisoner of Azkaban. I was mid-search tracking down a different piece of trailer music and ran across composer Daniel Nielsen's website. And look what is right in his playlist for "Big Orchestral" on his site as "HarryPotter Prisoner": http://daniel-nielsen-j3e2.squarespace.com/new-album-2 So there you have it. We've now ID'd everyone who wrote the additional trailer music that was included on the set in both "Teaser" and "Trailer". John Sponsler & Tom Gire wrote the intro to Teaser under the "Magic Box Music" label. A new version of the intro, on it's own, can now be found titled Anticipation by Brand X Music, and was also used in the logo teaser for Half-Blood Prince. Daniel Nielsen wrote the first minute of Trailer Both intros lead into John Williams compositions ragoz350, Taikomochi, bollemanneke and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 Nice find! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 1,829 Posted May 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2020 Wait a minute: Why aren't these composers cited in the booklet? TSMefford, bollemanneke and crlbrg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Ignorance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 However, winds and harp are well added to Magic Box/Anticipation in Teaser music (POA). Interestingly, these instruments were added by orchestrators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 27, 2020 Author Share Posted May 27, 2020 IIRC JW re-recorded the Music Box opening along with the rest of the cue (that he wrote) TSMefford and ragoz350 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: IIRC JW re-recorded the Music Box opening along with the rest of the cue (that he wrote) Yes that is correct. See below @ragoz350: Quote Here's a quote from the old old old Magic Box Music website. Magic Box Music is now one with Brand X Music. At the time, I believe this was just composers John Sponsler and Tom Gire. Here, specifically, they are referring to the Double Trouble teaser: We were starting to feel like Potter was old hat by this point, until we heard that a John Williams “song” would be included in the trailer. After many attempts, the studio decided that John would score the trailer, but it would include an intro written by Magic Box, and re-recorded by John Williams as part of the trailer. So wait…. John Williams was going to be conducting and recording a piece that we had composed? Crazy! To top it all off, we were able to attend the session and watch him do it. A signed copy of the score hangs in our studio to this day. We went on to score several International spots for this film, one of which garnered a nomination for “Best Music” at the Golden Trailer Awards. And the attached photo: So it sounds as if they were working on a custom score for the trailer, but eventually WB (rightfully) decided to have Williams do it, but they must've liked that Intro cue, so they kept it and integrated it into the final recording of the cue. I have found zero info on the other trailer cue other than the composer, unfortunately. Speaking of which: 5 hours ago, filmmusic said: Wait a minute: Why aren't these composers cited in the booklet? As far as I recall, these cues were kind of just there on the hard drive Mike was given is that correct @Jay? It's possible that, for whatever reason, the trailer composers were just not listed on the files. I mean, John Williams is still the main composer of "Teaser", and considering the Magic Box/Brand X Music cue was re-recorded anyways it might have simply been attributed to Williams. It's far more understandable how it might have happened in that case, because while the composers do deserve credit (I've added them in my metadata), their role was very minor. Honestly though, as far "Trailer" is concerned, I am surprised it was included at all on the set. Don't get me wrong, as a bit of a completest myself, it's nice to have (even though it turned out to just be on the guy's website anyways), but it's apparently just original music by Daniel Nielsen, followed by a slightly different mix (but identical recording) of "Reunion of Friends" from COS. Could've just been a lack of info or memory on WB's part, considering it was one trailer from 2004. And again, I just happened to stumble across who composed it while looking for something entirely unrelated to Potter and the Magic Box info itself was quite a chore to dig back up. I'm not surprised they’re not listed. ragoz350 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 I can't speak to the process of what music got to Mike and how, or how it was decided what gets credited and what doesn't. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jay said: I can't speak to the process of what music got to Mike and how, or how it was decided what gets credited and what doesn't. That's all well above my paygrade. Gotcha. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I think we got that the trailer was just in the batch he got and he put it on there because there was space so why not from one of the audio interviews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Holko said: I think we got that the trailer was just in the batch he got and he put it on there because there was space so why not from one of the audio interviews? Ah okay. I was wondering where I'd heard that story from! I could've sworn that someone had said something like that. But yeah if it was just kind of there and included as a "Why not" thing, then I would guess the additional composers weren't listed on the files. I assume it doesn't matter too much, I highly doubt they needed permission from the trailer composers to include it or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, TSMefford said: I was wondering where I'd heard that story from! I could've sworn that someone had said something like that. Jay addressed this once upon a time: On 12/15/2018 at 12:47 PM, Jay said: I have no idea when it was "recorded", and I'm pretty sure its just music from a trailer house seguing into the Reunion of Friends recording from HPCOS. It was included in the archives WB sent over, so Mike put it at the end of the album to both be comprehensive and to give the album, and the entire set, a "big finish". TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Well I didn't know Music Composed by Random Trailer Guy and Conducted by John Williams Jurassic Shark and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,454 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 On 5/27/2020 at 1:17 PM, TSMefford said: John Sponsler & Tom Gire wrote the intro to Teaser under the "Magic Box Music" label. A new version of the intro, on it's own, can now be found titled Anticipation by Brand X Music, and was also used in the logo teaser for Half-Blood Prince. I know these two guys. They worked with the Remote Control team on Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End writing additional material, and maybe other scores credited to Zimmer. Some of my favorite cues of the AWE's score was by them, including 7m43a v2 Maelstrom (Part 1), 7m43b Getting the Chest and 8m44b v5 Maelstrom (Part 2). TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I apologize for the stupid question, but are the mockups of unreleased music from POA known? I just started making my bad mockups because I wanted to know how it all sounds, but I didn’t find any other mockups lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 I'm afraid I don't understand what you're asking. Can you reword it? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I started making mockups from the score, and I post them in this thread. But I did not find other mockups for the prisoner of azkaban, so Im surprised... (sorry for my eng) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 I've seen some other Azkaban mockups posted before. They aren't on earlier pages of that thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Found only the old version of Remembering Mother. Perhaps the rest of mockups were deleted... well ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 This board doesn't have a delete post feature so maybe there were posted in one of the many Azkaban threads, or maybe they were just shared privately, I don't remember. All the more reason to keep making your great ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 I will continue to do, it's just a little weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,348 Posted May 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2020 On 1/23/2019 at 12:23 AM, Docteur Qui said: As promised, here's my mockups of a couple of Azkaban alternates that weren't recorded/on the set TSMefford, Smeltington and ragoz350 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 4 hours ago, Edmilson said: I know these two guys. They worked with the Remote Control team on Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End writing additional material, and maybe other scores credited to Zimmer. Some of my favorite cues of the AWE's score was by them, including 7m43a v2 Maelstrom (Part 1), 7m43b Getting the Chest and 8m44b v5 Maelstrom (Part 2). Yep! That's them. They also did some work on the National Treasure 2 score, which is where I first became familiar with them. They have composed numerous other pieces of original music (without John Williams material) for the Potter trailers under both the Magic Box Music and Brand X Music identities. Pretty much, if you've seen a major Potter trailer, you've heard some of their work, especially on Half-Blood Prince: "Anticipation" - Prisoner of Azkaban, Half-Blood Prince "Progeny" - Prisoner of Azkaban "The Quest" - Goblet of Fire "Slay The Dragon" - Goblet of Fire "Wake The Dead" - Goblet of Fire "Immortality Awaits" - Goblet of Fire "Mighty Fist" - Order of the Phoenix "The Realm Beyond" - Order of the Phoenix "Twisted Tales / Bittersweet Dreams" - Half-Blood Prince "Fantastic Realm" - Half-Blood Prince "Last Chance" - Half-Blood Prince "Curious Developments" - Half-Blood Prince "Night of the Sorcerer" - Half-Blood Prince "Sorcerer's Secret" - Half-Blood Prince, Deathly Hallows "All or Nothing" - Deathly Hallows "Dragon's Demise" - Deathly Hallows All of these ended up being released on their industry albums throughout the years, but there's some music, especially for Half-Blood Prince, that's never been released. If LLL ends up doing the other scores, I hope some more of their work gets included. It's trailer music, but I enjoy that sort of thing in smaller doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 I put the old unreleased version of Summoning the Patronus (last part) in the movie scene. And it looks... weird. Interestingly, was it only Williams who presented the summon of patronus as something dramatic, or did Cuaron also think so at an early stage of production? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Skelly 261 Posted May 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2020 It sort of sounds like an extension of this bit... ... but one where the evil climax is suppressed and the energy is sucked out of the room. Who knows how finished the VFX were on the cut Williams was working on, but it sounds like he was trying to capture the idea of Harry bearing a huge shield and using it to force the Dementor back into its trunk. Less like a victory and more like a tension has been relieved. In the end it looks less physically demanding than that, and I think Cuaron wanted the concept of a patronus to be more psychological anyway. That way it ties into Harry's self-confidence about his parenthood and identity, which would explain why he wanted Williams to do a version with the "Family Theme" on triumphant brass instead. Smeltington, ragoz350 and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 593 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Did Williams read the first book before? Just watched the Interview from the "Across the Stars" special edition again. Regarding "Hedwig's Theme" he says he hadn't read the first Harry Potter book. However, in the liner notes of the expanded music for the sorcerer's stone there is an interview excerpt where Williams says he had read the book before. What is true now? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 261 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 One of Williams's go-to anecdotes for the press was that he doesn't like to read scripts before he works on a movie, but that in this case he read the book before he even knew a movie was in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Yep. He even wrote the teaser (essentially Hedwig's Theme without Nimbus 2000) before seeing the film itself, mostly based on his memories of the book probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 That's how all composers should work. Get inspirations from the book or the script, artwork, instead of trying to draw inspiration from the depressing reality that is most movies. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, gkgyver said: That's how all composers should work. Get inspirations from the book or the script, artwork, instead of trying to draw inspiration from the depressing reality that is most movies. I've done the script approach before...then got the first cut delivered to me...and let's just say it's almost as if the Director and I read a completely different script. The script I found quite inspiring to compose to and had written a lot of material based on it. The rough cut was not even close to what I had pictured when I read the script. It was...not good. Honestly, I still feel horrid about wasting such good inspiration and (in my opinion) pretty decent music on what ended up being a very poor film. Doesn't always work out XD. Huge regret of mine. EDIT: Actually I take that back. My first clue was when I visited the set and found it very incompetent. It was only confirmed by the rough cut. bollemanneke and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, TSMefford said: Honestly, I still feel horrid about wasting such good inspiration and (in my opinion) pretty decent music on what ended up being a very poor film. Doesn't always work out XD. Huge regret of mine. Plenty of excellent composers wrote great music for dodgy films. Sounds like you're in good company. TSMefford and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Which film are we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Looney Tunes: Back in Action A. A. Ron and TSMefford 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 What I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 I noticed an interesting thing in the music for the Prisoner of Azkaban. In addition to the main theme of Sirius, tremolos of solo string instruments (sorry for eng) sound in some scenes (Shunpike talks about Sirius, Dumbledore warns about dementors and Black; dementors themselves (Apparition on the Train)). Also, these tremolo of the violin and viola sounds in the scene with the map of marauders (when Harry discovers Pettigrew on the map). In this scene, Harry hopes to find Sirius, so Williams has inserted this material here (probably). Maybe this is also a peculiar leittheme associated with Sirius?.. I also think that Williams considered the leitmotif of Pettigrew simply as a “mystical” leitmotif that intonationally resembles Sirius' main leittheme. And then shortly before the release, Cuaron (or someone else) decided to assign the theme to Pettigrew. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, ragoz350 said: also think that Williams considered the leitmotif of Pettigrew simply as a “mystical” leitmotif that intonationally resembles Sirius' main leittheme. And then shortly before the release, Cuaron (or someone else) decided to assign the theme to Pettigrew. That's the stance many of us take here, what with it being tracked over the latter portion of Shrieking Shack and almost comically tracked into Werewolf Scene etc. In a similar vein of looser connections, I'd say those strigs are just a device he uses in the score for darkness coming or similar moments, it's not necessarily a direct character association, he's no Wagner or Shore, even when a theme has a direct intended purpose and connection he can be pretty liberal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 50 minutes ago, Holko said: That's the stance many of us take here, what with it being tracked over the latter portion of Shrieking Shack and almost comically tracked into Werewolf Scene etc. In a similar vein of looser connections, I'd say those strigs are just a device he uses in the score for darkness coming or similar moments, it's not necessarily a direct character association, he's no Wagner or Shore, even when a theme has a direct intended purpose and connection he can be pretty liberal with it. Yeah I also think that strings do not represent a specific character. It’s just that string sometimes form chromatic motifs similar to these leitthemes. Perhaps Williams, after he wrote the Aunt Marge's Waltz, decided to build the leitmotif system of the film based on the first oboe (and then string) motive of this waltz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 So, I made a playlist where I collected all my POA mockups. Most of them I spammed published in mockup-thread. Looks like I didn’t do just String Overlay... In some mockups, I cut out parts that don't differ from the final version (I wrote about this in square brackets). ragoz350 · POA Mockups bollemanneke, CGCJ, TSMefford and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 These are absolutely wonderful! It's so weird none of them were recorded. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Riding the Hippogriff supposedly was; the percussion bit is just an insert that was supposed to completely overwrite it like in the movie but on the OST JW shifted it forward instead it so the second half of the original opening is still there, and Mike either replicated it on the LLL or the OST was the only or only good source available. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Is it me or are these not downloadable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 We have no idea what was and what wasn't recorded from those old cues we can see in the sheet music leaks ragoz350 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Is it me or are these not downloadable? It's strange. I kind of set permission to download... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Sorted, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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