Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Back in stock! SUPERMAN THE MOVIE & NAKED GUN TRILOGY (3-CD SETS) are BACK IN STOCK! Our acclaimed SUPERMAN THE MOVIE 40TH ANNIV (3-CD set) by John Williams and THE NAKED GUN TRILOGY (3-CD set) by Ira Newborn are back in stock now at www.lalalandrecords.com ! Thank you for supporting our label! We are excited to bring you our new limited edition CD releases of SLIVER by Howard Shore and a 4-CD SET of music from the classic TV series VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA on June 23 at 12noon (pst)! Stay well and safe everyone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Not surprised that Superman is back right after the sale finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kühni 485 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Query: Since I couldn't completely piece this together from the information available to me at this moment, are these tracks from the 2000 Rhino release included on the LLL release (either in their entirety or as edits and alternates): R 1-1: Prelude and Main Title March / LLL 1-1 Prelude and Main Title R 1-17: Main Title March (alternate) / LLL 2-12: Prelude and Main Title (alternate) R 2-1: Superman March (alternate) / LLL ??? R 2-13: Finale and End Title March / LLL 2-10: The Prison Yard and End Title R 2-18: Theme from Superman (Concert Version) / LLL 3-1: Theme from Superman (Main Title) R ??? / LLL 2-17: Prelude and Main Title (film version) Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 It’s all there. Jay’s spreadsheet is pretty comprehensive: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SkAOjZN-WOO03rsafaw4nOo2rFALx7E0DVj5-ky7Zmw/htmlview The two your missing: R 2-1: Superman March (alternate) / LLL 2-12 Prelude and Main Title (Alternate) R 1-1: Prelude and Main Title March / LLL 2-17: Prelude and Main Title (film version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,364 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 The only thing the Rhino album gave us that the FSM or LLL did not was the End Title cue by itself in its own track That cue is always combined with the old Prelude, new Prelude, or Prison Yard cue in every other released version of it. OneBuckFilms 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Kühni said: Thanks for pointing me in the direction of Jay's spreadsheet His very helpful threads collecting his spreadsheets used to be pinned to be visible - that was the whole point of collecting them in one thread, easy to find. Is there any specific reason they aren't pinned anymore, @Jay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I can't remember why I unpinned them, but I should repin them indeed! Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 Here's a summary of the various and confusing versions of the different prelude, main title, and end title combinations What was recorded 1M1 is a single cue that covered the original prelude scene (that we've never seen footage of) and the original main titles New 1M1 is the new cue for the new version of the prelude (the curtain opening and old comic books, etc) New 1M1 Part 2 is the new cue for the main title, "with certain orchestral flourishes synchronized to the cosmic animation" End Title is the end credits, there are no revisions The film itself The start of the film features the new Prelude (New 1M1), seguing into 16 seconds of the new Main Title (New 1M1) before switching over to a shortened edit of End Title, which has its speed altered from its original recorded speed The end of the film features The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into the new Main Titles (New 1M1 Part 2), which has its speed altered from its original recorded speed The 1978 OST album Track #1, "Theme From Superman (Main Title)" is actually the start of the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) seguing into the End Title, with the final crescendo and crash added from the end of New 1M1 Part 2. Track #16 "End Titles" is an edited down version of The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into the End Title (again) The 2000 Rhino release Disc 1 track 1 "Prelude and Main Title March" is the new Prelude (New 1M1), seguing into 16 seconds of the new Main Title (New 1M1) before switching over to a shortened edit of End Title, but unlike the film itself it plays at the correct speed here Disc 1 track 17 "Main Title March (Alternate)" is the full unedited End Title recording in its own track Disc 2 track 1 "Superman March (Alternate) is the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) Disc 2 track 13 "Finale and End Title March" is The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into new Main Titles (New 1M1 Part 2), but unlike the film itself it plays at the correct speed here Disc 2 track 18 "Theme From Superman (Concert Version)" is the the start of the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) seguing into the End Title, with the final crescendo and crash added from the end of New 1M1 Part 2, like the original OST album's track #1 (in this instance, taken directly from that album master) The 2008 FSM release Disc 1 track 1 "Theme From Superman" is the the start of the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) seguing into the End Title, with the final crescendo and crash added from the end of New 1M1 Part 2, like the original OST album's track #1 Disc 1 track 2 "Prelude and Main Title" is the new Prelude (New 1M1), seguing into the new Main Titles (New 1M1 Part 2), premiering Williams' intentions Disc 2 track 9 "The Prison Yard / End Title" is The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into the End Title Disc 2 track 11 "Prelude and Main Title (Alternate)" is the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) Disc 2 track 18 "The Prison Yard / End Title (Film Version) is The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into new Main Titles (New 1M1 Part 2), playing at the correct speed like the Rhino track Disc 8 track 1 "Prelude and Main Title (Film Version)" is the new Prelude (New 1M1), seguing into 16 seconds of the new Main Title (New 1M1) before switching over to a shortened edit of the End Title, playing at the correct speed like the Rhino track The 2019 La-La Land release Disc 1 track 1 "Prelude and Main Title" is the new Prelude (New 1M1), seguing into the new Main Titles (New 1M1 Part 2), Williams' intentions Disc 2 track 10 "The Prison Yard and End Title" is The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into the End Title Disc 2 track 12 "Prelude and Main Title (Alternate)" is the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) Disc 2 track 17 "Prelude and Main Title (Film Version)" is the new Prelude (New 1M1), seguing into 16 seconds of the new Main Title (New 1M1) before switching over to a shortened edit of the End Title, playing at the correct speed like the Rhino track Disc 2 track 22 "The Prison Yard and End Title (Film Version)" is The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into new Main Titles (New 1M1 Part 2), playing at the correct speed like the Rhino track Disc 3 track 1 "Theme From Superman (Main Title)" is is the the start of the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) seguing into the End Title, with the final crescendo and crash added from the end of New 1M1 Part 2, being a new rebuild of OST track #1 Disc 3 track 16 "End Titles" is an edited down version of The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into the End Title (again), being a new rebuild of OST track #16 crumbs, KittBash, Holko and 7 others 4 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 20 hours ago, Jay said: The film itself The start of the film features the new Prelude (New 1M1), seguing into End Title, which has its speed altered from its original recorded speed The end of the film features The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into the new Main Titles (New 1M1 Part 2), which has its speed altered from its original recorded speed The 1978 OST album Track #1, "Theme From Superman (Main Title)" is actually the start of the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) seguing into the End Title Track #16 "End Titles" is an edited down version of The Prison Yard (New 14M4/15M1) seguing into the End Title (again) That's fucked up shit that caused special labels big trouble, not to piss any fan off. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,364 Posted September 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 14, 2020 I still don't understand why Donner swapped the main and end titles in the finished film. The main title cue Williams wrote synced to the credits perfectly (there's videos online where fans synced it back up, and it still fits with no edits). And the End Title cue had to be edited as well as altered in speed just to match the main title length when they decided to make the swap. My only guess is that Donner liked the performance/energy of the End Title recording more than the Main Title recording. If only he asked Williams to record one more version of the Main Titles that had the energy he wanted, instead of swapping the cues around, then we'd have way less kooky bonus tracks on all the albums that came out later. I don't blame Williams for creating the OST opening he did; It's a brilliant edit, and became the de facto concert arrangement of the main theme ever since TSMefford, Brundlefly, Holko and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Yeah why didn't Donner think of the effort that specialty soundtrack labels would be labouring over 30-40 years into the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Even if soundtrack albums weren't even a thing that ever happened, it would have been better for the film itself if he has asked for a re-score of the main titles instead of tracking in a pitch-shifted end credits recording. The main title cue Williams intended is not even terribly different from the end title one so I have no idea why Donner didn't like it, I'm just speculating about his reasons Here's a video on youtube of Williams' intended Main Title synced to picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Might have been a Salkind/Spengler request? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Could be, I have no idea. The reason for the swap is just as unknown whoever it was that made the call Heck, we don't even know if Williams put the End Title in the first track of the OST because he knew they were swapped in the film, or if that is just a coincidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 23 hours ago, Jay said: The only thing the Rhino album gave us the FSM or LLL never did was the clean opening to the revised Main Title march, since the FSM and LLL only present that cue with the revised Prelude cue (or the Prison Yard cue) overlapping the beginning of it Yeah, but that was easy enough to separate with an edit. There’s no overlapping music, if I’m not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I mistyped before; That final track on Rhino disc 1 is the End Title cue in its own track, likely included because that cue is edited a bit in its disc 1, track 1 appearance, like it is in the film. The FSM and LLL had no reason to release the End Title cue in its own track, because it is already presented without any edits at the end of their main score programs where it comes directly after The Prison Yard. And yea, you can already get that opening pretty much clean in the Prison Yard / End Title track on the FSM or LLL, it's just never been in its own track by itself on any other release than the Rhino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/13/2020 at 1:04 PM, Jay said: The 1978 OST album Track #1, "Theme From Superman (Main Title)" is actually the start of the old Prelude/Main Titles (1M1) seguing into the End Title Wouldn’t the very end would be taken from the revised main title (New 1M1 Part 2)? Isn’t that the only version with that added long chord into a stinger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 You're absolutely right! FSM Blue Box page 29 confirms this, and pages 58-59 go into more detail. In fact, these pages explain that the Film Version of the opening actually uses 16 seconds of the revised Main Title in between the Prelude recording and the End Title recording. Sheesh! Updated the post above. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimwilson 256 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I wonder if Donner or whoever preferred the more immediate ending of the end title. Maybe they were looking for an edit point that worked..... They couldn't cut to it after the Puzo credit because one of them has that brief key change.... so they just thought "ah well, replace the whole thing." Maybe I'm thinking too hard, trying to rationalise the irrational! The speed up is just so weird though. One of the biggest head scratchers. Thanks for all that info on the edits Jay. Fascinating stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 7:22 PM, Jay said: Even if soundtrack albums weren't even a thing that ever happened, it would have been better for the film itself if he has asked for a re-score of the main titles instead of tracking in a pitch-shifted end credits recording. The main title cue Williams intended is not even terribly different from the end title one so I have no idea why Donner didn't like it, I'm just speculating about his reasons Here's a video on youtube of Williams' intended Main Title synced to picture I never really understood what is supposed to be better synced here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 The music, I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 5 hours ago, bigjimwilson said: I wonder if Donner or whoever preferred the more immediate ending of the end title. Maybe they were looking for an edit point that worked..... They couldn't cut to it after the Puzo credit because one of them has that brief key change.... so they just thought "ah well, replace the whole thing." Maybe I'm thinking too hard, trying to rationalise the irrational! That could very well be it, yea! 4 hours ago, rough cut said: I never really understood what is supposed to be better synced here? Williams provides little flourishes sometimes for the things going on in outer space Check out 3:25 for example bigjimwilson and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Indeed. The video is an absolute audio/visual harmony. 4 hours ago, rough cut said: I never really understood what is supposed to be better synced here? 3:24! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 8:56 PM, Jay said: And yea, you can already get that opening pretty much clean in the Prison Yard / End Title track on the FSM or LLL, it's just never been in its own track by itself on any other release than the Rhino. Ah, OK, so I can switch and ditch that one track from the Rhino release and switch everything else with their LLL counterparts without "losing" any music. Cool, thanks again, Jay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Hey! I was the one pointing out that there was no problem with the LLL (if you’re up to a little editing). On the other hand, I don’t seem to know how to sync up the original main theme to the opening credits so that the outer space syncs up to the orchestral flourishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 21 hours ago, Kühni said: Ah, OK, so I can switch and ditch that one track from the Rhino release and switch everything else with their LLL counterparts without "losing" any music. Cool, thanks again, Jay! I don't understand what this sentence means at all, but if the ultimate question is "is there music heard on the Rhino that is not heard on the LLL" than the answer is "no, there is not." If you're deciding between keeping or selling the physical Rhino album, that depends only on your personal nostalgia for that releases / your personal collector mentality. if you're deciding which tracks from the Rhino release to keep in iTunes or your music program of choice, the only track to consider keeping is the final track on disc 1, and the only reason to keep it is if you ever feel like listening to the End Titles cue without listening to The Prison Yard or the Prelude first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I worked in a movie theater where this played. I still get a thrill. I love how JW builds the theme until it crescendos at 1:30. The main SUPERMAN theme doesn't even appear until three minutes in! Awesomeness. Nuff said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 The LLL organizes the music in the best possible way. Still, I'm not sure whether it was necessary to include the film versions of the Main and the End Title that merely swap out the march after the prelude. There is just an Superman March overload on disc two. bollemanneke and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Yup, more space for the source music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: The LLL organizes the music in the best possible way. Still, I'm not sure whether it was necessary to include the film versions of the Main and the End Title that merely swap out the march after the prelude. I think there were 3 reasons. that's what the film itself did (and some fans might prefer things that way, purely based on their nostalgia for seeing the film that way) the Rhino and FSM editions included those edits. there was room 17 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Yup, more space for the source music. JW would probably not have approved all the source music to be included on this release, based on recent history with him nixing source music for Jaws, Jaws 2, Dracula, and Stanley & Iris, so I think it was EXTREMELY smart to release all his Supes source music on the II / III set instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I don't understand. JW is not okay with it being on this set, but is powerless/happy to stop his music from being included in the other one? Also, I don't get this source music issue: it's part of this film score, why is it so problematic to include it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I don't understand. JW is not okay with it being on this set, but is powerless/happy to stop his music from being included in the other one? It's entirely possible he doesn't even know that there exists new editions of Superman 2, 3, and 4 Quote Also, I don't get this source music issue: it's part of this film score, why is it so problematic to include it? I don't think anybody on this forum can tell us JW's reasons for not liking certain music he wrote in the past. You'd have to ask him yourself bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Wow, I never suspected JW would not know about the other set if it had his source music on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,076 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 OK, @John Williams, speak up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I'm glad they weren't forced on this release because this way I don't have to own them! mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 No! I will ask him when we have coffee tomorrow, as per Jay's request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SyncMan 314 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 1:22 PM, Jay said: Even if soundtrack albums weren't even a thing that ever happened, it would have been better for the film itself if he has asked for a re-score of the main titles instead of tracking in a pitch-shifted end credits recording. The main title cue Williams intended is not even terribly different from the end title one so I have no idea why Donner didn't like it, I'm just speculating about his reasons Here's a video on youtube of Williams' intended Main Title synced to picture I think that this is a case of comparing apples to oranges. In that video, the person used a digital audio workstation with a 'stretch/shrink' function that changes the duration of an audio file without changing the pitch in order to sync the intended 'main-title' cue with this main title sequence. Heck, the free software, Audacity, has that function (go to Effect-->Change Tempo). In the sound-mix for the film, the music editor used analogue technically to make the music fit the said sequence. Those techniques included trimming-off bits of music and changing the speed of a portion of music that resulted in that high-pitch sound. Also, during the post-production process, Warner Bros was paying for the completion of the film. My conjecture is that since so much money was spent on this film already, their thinking is that spending even more money on having JW and his crew come in and fix one sequence would not be necessary. Also, not many average mover-goers would notice a pitch-change. I do agree that this version sounds good over the main titles. That video was made 12 years ago, so I hope that Mike M. and 'Film Concert Live' use that version for the L2P concert version for the flying-credits, instead of duplicating the edit in the film-version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I never even knew this was a thing until this week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 You never knew that Donner swapped the Main Title music and the End Title music in the 1978 film? Don't feel too bad, the public didn't know either, until the Blue Box came out 30 years later in 2008 But that was 12 years ago now, so I dunno how you spent the last 12 years not knowing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 There’s actually yet another variant of the main title, but it wasn’t recorded, or even orchestrated. The original 1M1 was sketched with a different opening fanfare. This was replaced prior to orchestration by the familiar “Theme from Superman” opening fanfare, labeled “1M1 Main Title (B)” on the sketch. Here’s a mockup of the original opening: Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Interesting! It still made it to the end of the alternate Prologue! BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,482 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 I never listen to the alt and additional cues, so like usually I'm confused. Thanks JWfan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: You never knew that Donner swapped the Main Title music and the End Title music in the 1978 film? Don't feel too bad, the public didn't know either, until the Blue Box came out 30 years later in 2008 But that was 12 years ago now, so I dunno how you spent the last 12 years not knowing that. You'll hafta forgive me but after seeing the film fifty times, ( in state-of-the-art Dolby six track)listening to the OST and the RHINO set, I wasnt exactly starving for any more stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 2 hours ago, BrotherSound said: There’s actually yet another variant of the main title, but it wasn’t recorded, or even orchestrated. The original 1M1 was sketched with a different opening fanfare. This was replaced prior to orchestration by the familiar “Theme from Superman” opening fanfare, labeled “1M1 Main Title (B)” on the sketch. Here’s a mockup of the original opening: I actually had a mockup made of this, but I wasn't able to include it in my restores due to us not knowing what the early cut for the opening was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Jay said: You never knew that Donner swapped the Main Title music and the End Title music in the 1978 film? Me neither. But then again, that particular score and film never really were of much interest to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I reviewed a biography of Donner ( available on AMAZON : "YOU'RE THE DIRECTOR, YOU FIGURE IT OUT") and it was never mentioned. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/review/1593935277/R27MIXYOUY9ND1?ref=pf_vv_at_pdctrvw_srp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,316 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 8 hours ago, Jay said: It's entirely possible he doesn't even know that there exists new editions of Superman 2, 3, and 4 Pretty sure Mike said he discussed the source music with Williams' management and they specifically didn't want the source music included with S:TM. But when Mike asked if they could include it with 2/3 instead, they had no issue? I'll have to get an exact quote from the podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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