Falstaft 2,133 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Part 2 of 8 now up. Sounds like a major-mode transformation of Jedi Steps: Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,517 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 . aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,655 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 If that's Williams I'll eat my dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 The Jedi Steps stuff sounds similar to what is heard in TLJ trailer. aj_vader and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I wonder if this might be a rejected trailer cue for TLJ or TROS. I could potentially see it being Williams, though - the audio quality is so terrible it's hard to tell. But on the other hand it does sound a bit trailer-y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Main title in A major rubs me the wrong way. aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,410 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Totally not Williams, obviously trailer music. aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 yes that's trailer music aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 5 hours ago, Will said: I wonder if this might be a rejected trailer cue for TLJ or TROS. I could potentially see it being Williams, though - the audio quality is so terrible it's hard to tell. But on the other hand it does sound a bit trailer-y. Yes, it's the Leia's theme progression featured in the TROS teaser trailer (and reprised in the final trailer, in a slightly different form). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/2/2019 at 8:25 PM, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: Totally not Williams, obviously trailer music. Is it not just pitch shifted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryphus 4 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 This all feels pretty suspicious...first they use completely new music one week, then rearrangements the next, instead of just using music or arrangements of music tied to those respective movies each week. It's definitely a major-mode interpretation that has new instrumentation and is actually blended with the Leia progression from the trailers, with a hint of her motif played as an echo before Jedi Steps transitions right into it full-on. This stuff may not be right from the score but I definitely think there are musical ideas present that we'll listen back on in a couple of months and see some clear connections. What they do for subsequent weeks' videos should be interesting to hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 On 10/27/2019 at 3:51 PM, Jay said: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27927-the-last-jedi-score-segments-premiere-in-new-last-jedi-star-tours-update/ I almost forgot all about that video. Personally I kind of prefer that alternate take of "The Falcon" from TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,517 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 . Falstaft and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,133 Posted November 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2019 59 minutes ago, Modest Expectations said: The generic trailer music by another composer returns: I find it sad how the movie magazine that happens to also just have published a compilation of exclusive interviews with Abrams, Ridley, Boyega, Driver, Daniels, Isaac, and others, cannot be entrusted by Disney with Williams' new music and instead has to play this. And some new versions of that theme from the first of these rewatch videos. Williams or not, it's worth noting that the first phrase of this new theme revolves around a Cm<=>Ebm type progression -- that is, the signature harmonic succession of The Emperor's theme, in distinction w/ the Cm<=>Abm of the Imperial March. Cerebral Cortex, Will, Jurassic Shark and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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toothless 964 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 At this point I don't care who composed this because it sounds great and I want to hear it in its full glory. Now, my bet is that it's Williams. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 How are any of you actually hearing this much detail beneath Daniels’ VO and the SFX??? Edmilson and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryphus 4 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I clip the audio and run it through some filters in ProTools. I do like this music, whatever it turns out to be! If nothing else it's fun to follow each week to pass the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I think the most glaring reason I think this march isn’t Williams is the fact that it sounds so much like him.... circa 1999 and TPM. His style has changed dramatically then, and he just doesn’t write this kind of music anymore. March of the Resistance is the closest he’s gotten to that kind of dramatic march in recent years but even then the orchestration and structure has more of a clean and tidy baroque/classical feel to it. The bells and whistles of the early 2000s Williams (dense percussion, wild woodwinds, swirling string passages) just aren’t his thing anymore. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 hmmm Galaxy's Edge 4 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: I think the most glaring reason I think this march isn’t Williams is the fact that it sounds so much like him.... Williams is perfectly capable of reverting to a previous era style of writing In the first video we have a version of the theme that seemed from a concert version In this one we get the theme within an action space battle cue I still think this is part of Wiliams score Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,367 Posted November 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 17, 2019 Just a few years ago he reverted to his Hook and Harry Potter stylings for The BFG. Or his Angela's Ashes style for The Book Thief. Likewise I don't think it's an issue for him to revert to a certain style if the director asks. Even between scores the action music style between TFA and TLJ is radically different, and he wrote them 12 months apart. TLJ sounds like something he could have written at the same time as ROTS. Edmilson, Will, Remco and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 Someone should ask TotalFilm. See if they know where it originated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mrbellamy 6,338 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I still don't think it's him but I've been wrong before. I've also been right before. So there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: I still don't think it's him but I've been wrong before. I've also been right before. So there. mrbellamy and rpvee 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I don't think it's him either, but I still want to know where it's from so I can listen to it without Anthony Daniels talking over it. EDIT: On a side note, I'm not sure if others have noticed (but wouldn't be surprised), the main "theme" throughout this piece is extremely close to the Nazi motif from TLC. In fact, if you line both pieces up, they match almost exactly, other than a couple key and speed changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 18 hours ago, crumbs said: Likewise I don't think it's an issue for him to revert to a certain style if the director asks. Even between scores the action music style between TFA and TLJ is radically different, and he wrote them 12 months apart. TLJ sounds like something he could have written at the same time as ROTS. Completely disagree, TLJ sounds nothing like ROTS in my opinion, it's very much a continuation of the leaner sound he established in TFA. I'm not saying he's not capable of recapturing his previous styles, I'm saying that he's chosen not to for Star Wars. The march in that video is clearly modelled after the Droid material from TPM. It's too much of an emulation to be his new music. Could be a Gordy Haab for all we know, but I'll bet the farm it's not JW. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,907 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I doubt it's in-house stuff. They likely bought it from a stock music company, as they usually do for these adverts. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I doubt it's in-house stuff. They likely bought it from a stock music company, as they usually do for these adverts. Then again, the second video was obviously either JW or in-house/specially commissioned, since it used a new variation of "Jedi Steps." My best guess on that one was rejected trailer cue by the guy who did the TROS trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Remco 685 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: Completely disagree, TLJ sounds nothing like ROTS in my opinion, it's very much a continuation of the leaner sound he established in TFA. Don’t confuse the sound of the recording with Williams’ writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I have to disagree @Docteur Qui. All those trademark Star Wars flourishes (especially in the flutes and piccolos) that were stripped out of his writing in TFA were back in TLJ, especially in action cues like Escape and Battle of Crait. Whereas the action material in TFA is a bit more rhythmic and unfocused, with streamlined orchestration. Arguably the different recording style hides some of those details but even the difference in editing between JJ and RJ gave Williams a larger palette to write more developed, sprawling ideas (especially having a greater chance to present long-form thematic and motivic ideas, something he rarely got to explore in TFA). Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 @crumbs don’t you think that these missing SW flourishes had to with the the recording completely drowning out the winds and bright melodic percussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 @Remco It's definitely a factor. The dry recording is way too heavy on the brass. I picked up lots of details in the LTP (even with the film's sound effects) that are completely inaudible on the OST, so it's pretty amazing what a different mix could do for that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,517 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 TFA is an educational example how, from the writing, editing, recording, and mixing perspectives---to diminish the potent effects of music in a Star Wars film. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Modest Expectations said: TFA is an educational example how, from the writing, editing, recording, and mixing perspectives---to diminish the potent effects music can have in a Star Wars film. I liked your original statement better, why did you water it down? You were spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post crumbs 14,367 Posted November 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2019 So this is interesting. That same company who just seemingly premiered our first taste of music from TROS, features the same music used in the Anthony Daniels videos in another video (the ending, anyway). It sounds like the way JW would end a concert suite in this style. See here at 0:21: Which begs the question, if two separate companies are using this same piece of "library music" (and one of these companies used actual score from TROS in another commercial), does that mean Disney supplied this music to various companies for marketing purposes? And if so, could that mean this is an electronic re-arrangement of something JW recorded for TROS, just like synth re-arrangements of The Spark being used for various products associated with TLJ? Bayesian, Tryphus, Cerebral Cortex and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tryphus 4 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 hours ago, crumbs said: So this is interesting. That same company who just seemingly premiered our first taste of music from TROS, features the same music used in the Anthony Daniels videos in another video (the ending, anyway). It sounds like the way JW would end a concert suite in this style. See here at 0:21: Which begs the question, if two separate companies are using this same piece of "library music" (and one of these companies used actual score from TROS in another commercial), does that mean Disney supplied this music to various companies for marketing purposes? And if so, could that mean this is an electronic re-arrangement of something JW recorded for TROS, just like synth re-arrangements of The Spark being used for various products associated with TLJ? Great catch! I really do think these are altered bits and pieces of actual TROS material. I think even the Leia harmonic progression idea stems from the score as well, I can definitely see him using it to form new material for this film with all things considered based on JJ's comments about her role and now very numerous different ways and versions of it we've heard. It's easy for me to be skeptical, but I think it's about the time things start coming together from enough different sources to make some educated assumptions. Hopefully even more clues will come out since they just started their tv spots yesterday as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I'm now also starting to think this is actually Williams. It's weird - some of the instruments (winds) sound like actual orchestra but why did they have to layer it with synths...? By the way, the chord progression is really a little too similar to the Nazi theme from TLC :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 What are these Anthony Daniels videos introducing? Is a certain channel in the UK playing one episode per week leading up to episode 9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,338 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I think they’re just little retrospective videos just for the sake of it? I don’t think they’re advertising a marathon or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I also think that is a new march for TROS. Even more so now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 It sounds like a modified version of the Imperial March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 One of us. One of us. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoYoMama 48 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 12:44 AM, Docteur Qui said: Definitely not a real orchestra. I use samples for a living, I can tell the difference. Yep, 100% masterfully produced samples. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,060 Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 I wasn't convinced before but I'm starting to be convinced now. all of these musical snippets from these videos and the other commercial, especially the brass, have that distinctive sequel trilogy sound - and the fact that we hear that same thing in a different transformation highly suggests its actually a film cue. at this point I really hope all of this is Williams, these musical snippets are incredibly fun and I really like this much darker sound, which is tonally consistent with all the other supposed Williams music as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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