mxsch 115 Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 I'm a newbie to HP scores, besides original albums, what is your highlights of the all three scores? MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,484 Posted July 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2020 Personally, the expanded boxset is too recent, I didn't have the time to digest it completely. And I must say, the cardboard is pretty tough. A. A. Ron, Smeltington, Bilbo and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,515 Posted July 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2020 Smeltington, Edmilson, Score and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Philosophers Stone: Harry Gets His Wand Gryffindor Wins the House Cup CoS: Petrified Justin Transformation Class (alternate segment) Fawkes Heals Harry (alternate) Azkaban: Trouble Takes Many Forms On the Bridge - Remembering Mother Summoning the Patronus The Executioner The Rescue of Sirius Sirius Says Goodbye / Turning Time Back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,532 Posted July 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2020 All of it is a highlight. bollemanneke, Once, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 If you loved the scores in the films, and felt the albums didn't include a number of important cues, then the box set is a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 The box set is worth it just for Harry Gets His Wand and Through The Doors. bollemanneke and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 Since the box doesn't include the Shawm cue, I'd rather get the OSTs. TSMefford, bollemanneke and Once 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I listen to all of it not just bits and pieces Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,474 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 It's the best presentation of the Prisoner of Azkaban score (aka one of Williams' very best of the 2000s) so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 44 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Since the box doesn't include the Shawm cue, I'd rather get the OSTs. the what now? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 The quintessential HP cue, according to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 33 minutes ago, lemoncurd said: the what now? The snake-charmer source music heard in the background here from 0:00-1:03: blondheim and Henry Sítrónu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 3:50 AM, blondheim said: The box set is worth it just for Harry Gets His Wand and Through The Doors. Even just holding the box set or putting my hand on it from time to time (yes, I do that) fills me with a sense of magic, even if HP3 is not 100% chronological and complete. Smeltington, Chewy, crumbs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 1:23 PM, bollemanneke said: Even just holding the box set or putting my hand on it from time to time (yes, I do that) fills me with a sense of magic, even if HP3 is not 100% chronological and complete. That irks me so deeply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 What, that I touch my box set or my HP3 remark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,532 Posted August 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2020 Somehow when going up the grade of perfectness, at some point it flips from the joy of "hell yeah, this is so great, 90% perfect, could we even ask for anything better?" to the frustration of "goddammit, only 99.8% perfect, it was that close!" Not like this incredible set is not up there among my absolute top and most cherished expanded releases, mind. bollemanneke, Chewy, crumbs and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Agreed again. I even sometimes re-download the two podcast interviews with MM just to re-live those happy months. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,396 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, bollemanneke said: Agreed again. I even sometimes re-download the two podcast interviews with MM just to re-live those happy months. Doing the same for all the recent Mike podcasts, it's so nice to hear him speaking about his process, I never get tired of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 8/6/2020 at 12:45 PM, bollemanneke said: What, that I touch my box set or my HP3 remark? As long as it consents to the touching. Sad about HP3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,642 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 I would recommend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 Just buy the box and then throw out the HP3 score. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 8 hours ago, blondheim said: As long as it consents to the touching. Sad about HP3. I'll always ask first from now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Are there items missing from the HP3 score or is that a dumb question to ask? I don't own the box set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Only insignificant bits and pieces. It's practically complete. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 But... But... THE SHAWM! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,319 Posted August 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, stravinsky said: Are there items missing from the HP3 score or is that a dumb question to ask? I don't own the box set. Yes, there are items missing, but hardly a deal-breaker when you consider what is included. Just: an alternate opening for Buckbeak's Flight (this was replaced by an insert in the film and on album) an alternate stinger (only the revised stinger was included) some source music (the infamous Shawm cue) and some missing/incorrect film takes (the film take used for Sir Cadogan Again is missing and Befriending The Hippogriff uses the wrong take) If you want to get really finicky, there's some missing elements like cymbal crashes in the OST credits track (and a prominent gong which is mixed very low on the comparable LLL track). I think Williams also recorded an early Double Trouble demo for reference on set, separate to the album and trailer versions. It's worth noting the sound team artificially changed several cues for the film mix, silencing various elements in the score (noteworthy examples are Time Past without ticking, or the chorus-free version of Quidditch, Third Year). These were not Williams' intentions and thus are not included, but it's a shame the latter wasn't included in one of the two versions of that cue (rather than having the same music twice). Williams also wrote some very different early versions of cues that aren't included, but it's never been confirmed whether those were even recorded or included on the material Mike received from WB. Chewy, bollemanneke, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, crumbs said: an alternate opening for Buckbeak's Flight (this was replaced by an insert in the film and on album) How do we know it was ever recorded? 29 minutes ago, crumbs said: an alternate stinger (only the revised stinger was included) What was that again? 29 minutes ago, crumbs said: and some missing/incorrect film takes (the film take used for Sir Cadogan Again is missing and Befriending The Hippogriff uses the wrong take) Are you sure that they use an alternate take in the film for Sir Carogan Again? To me it all seems like edits and adjustions by the sound team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: How do we know it was ever recorded? There was an original take with a quiet leadup. The revised opening is loud percussion. The film presumably uses the revised opening as intended. The OST track "Buckbeak's Flight", also present on the LLL, shifts that revised opening to earlier, revealing some of the original opening buildup after it ends. The OST track "Mischief Managed" as well as the film credits shift the revised opening even earlier, revealing even more of that original opening with harp runs and such. I feel the film version really doesn't work great so I would have been completely fine with just the OST track + the original take included. 38 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: What was that again? The twinkly DVD menu transition thing, early Aunt Marge Points the Finger. Or That's A Lie. Not sure which is which and whose earlier version it is. 38 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Are you sure that they use an alternate take in the film for Sir Carogan Again? To me it all seems like edits and adjustions by the sound team. @crumbs, show him that side by side comparison of rips. There are performance differences, it's a different take, though we're not sure at what speed it was recorded, if it was slowed down artificially or not. From the cue list title (Sir Cadogan for Dufay Ensemble and Percussion) I'm completely sure JW wrote, recorded and intended the percussion too, it's not just a sound team mockjob. Once and Brundlefly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: What was that again? The first version of 1M4 Aunt Marge Points the Finger, heard here at 1.19: They only included the revised version (1M4X) on the LLL. Not sure why they didn't just include both versions with the other stinger, oh well. 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: How do we know it was ever recorded? It was recorded, confirmed by someone who worked on the set. They just made the decision not to include the cue with its original opening as a bonus track. 1 hour ago, Brundlefly said: Are you sure that they use an alternate take in the film for Sir Carogan Again? To me it all seems like edits and adjustions by the sound team. As @Holko said, even if the percussion was an addition by the sound effects team, after slowing down the album take and comparing with the film version, there are performance differences. It's unknown whether it was recorded at this slower tempo or artificially slowed down, but that's a separate point. Brundlefly and Once 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,378 Posted August 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/10/2020 at 10:06 AM, Holko said: The twinkly DVD menu transition thing, early Aunt Marge Points the Finger. Or That's A Lie. Not sure which is which and whose earlier version it is. That's the original version of "Aunt Marge Points The Finger"; it got replaced with a revised cue in the film (and only the revised cue is on the LLL). "That's A Lie" is the first 9 seconds of "Aunt Marge's Waltz (Alternate)" on disc 2. Quote @crumbs, show him that side by side comparison of rips. There are performance differences, it's a different take, though we're not sure at what speed it was recorded, if it was slowed down artificially or not. From the cue list title (Sir Cadogan for Dufay Ensemble and Percussion) I'm completely sure JW wrote, recorded and intended the percussion too, it's not just a sound team mockjob. I think the sheet music BrotherSound posted in the other thread clarifies this more. "3M13 Sir Cadogan" or "Sir Cadogan (for Defay Ensembled and Percussion)" was written for the Sir Cadogan scene that was dropped from the final cut. But presumably Cuaron liked the music and asked for it to be used for the scene where the ghost knights bust through the stained glass. "3M5 Bonding With The Hippogriff" was written for the scene after Buckbeak's Flight, where Harry bonds with Buckbeak. Since 3M5B is "Kids Inspect Newspaper, etc", we can assume 3M5A was saved for the stained glass breaking scene, but that JW never wrote something original for that.... Instead, 3M5 was revised/extended to become "3M5/5A Bonding With The Hippogriff and Sir Cadogan Again", as the sheet music Brothersound posted shows. In that sheet music, you can see the entire "Bonding With The Hippogriff" part in the first 6 bars, then 24 bars of empty time that lines up with the 24 bars of 3M13 Sir Cadogan, with the new fermatta ending in bar 30. The LLL CD only has the Bonding With The Hippogriff part (it's at the end of the "Befriending The Hippogriff" track) Of course in the final film, the Bonding With The Hippogriff cue was dropped, and replaced by that little tambourine ditty. On 8/10/2020 at 10:32 AM, crumbs said: The first version of 1M4 Aunt Marge Points the Finger, heard here at 1.19: They only included the revised version (1M4X) on the LLL. Not sure why they didn't just include both versions with the other stinger, oh well. No, the version on the DVD menu is 1M4X. You can see right here: click The revised version is ALSO 1M4X, just a revised version of it (I don't know what the sheet music would have called it... 1M4XR I guess). I think they called it 1M4X because it was decided late to add it in front of the existing 1M4 Aunt Marge's Waltz (click), and there already was a 1M3A (That's A Lie). Quote It was recorded, confirmed by someone who worked on the set. They just made the decision not to include the cue with its original opening as a bonus track. I think the entire original opening is technically there in all version, you just can't hear it under the pounding drums. it's not really like they replaced the original opening, just added a drum leadup on top of it all. But yea, there was no room to include the cue without the percussion intro, unfortunately. Quote As @Holko said, even if the percussion was an addition by the sound effects team, after slowing down the album take and comparing with the film version, there are performance differences. It's unknown whether it was recorded at this slower tempo or artificially slowed down, but that's a separate point. I think the Brothersound sheet music reveals it was all recorded by JW. We just didn't have it. Holko, blondheim, Once and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 So how much of the Defay Ensemble music are we missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I mean depending on your point of view, none, really; The OST always had the Sir Cadogan cue, and it's on the LLL too. We just don't have the additional percussion instruments heard under it in the film. blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jay said: But yea, there was no room to include the cue without the percussion intro, unfortunately. Look, Jay, I really truly appreciate all this great info, especially you finally straight up admitting you didn't have it all, but please stop this specific kind of bullshitting. Disc 2 is only 75 minutes long, 2 of which are taken up by a useless not great sounding trailer that wasn't even written or recorded by JW. The Buckbeak cue is 2:10 long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 So in total we are essentially missing some alternates and film versions of cues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,532 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jay said: I mean depending on your point of view, none, really; The OST always had the Sir Cadogan cue, and it's on the LLL too. We just don't have the additional percussion instruments heard under it in the film. And the different take with slight performance differences used in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Just now, Holko said: Look, Jay, I really truly appreciate all this great info, especially you finally straight up admitting you didn't have it all, but please stop this specific kind of bullshitting. Disc 2 is only 75 minutes long, 2 of which are taken up by a useless not great sounding trailer that wasn't even written or recorded by JW. The Buckbeak cue is 2:10 long. Rude. Holko and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 How detailed was the sheet music leak? Wouldn't that reveal if the percussion in 3M5/5A Bonding With The Hippogriff and Sir Cadogan Again matches the percussion heard in the final film, previously speculated as a sound effects team addition? 4 minutes ago, blondheim said: So how much of the Defay Ensemble music are we missing? Seems like it's only 3M5A, Sir Cadogan Again. The music at the end of the film is 100% the same as the album take (albeit truncated). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, blondheim said: So in total we are essentially missing some alternates and film versions of cues? Yea 6 minutes ago, Holko said: And the diffent take with slight performance differences used in the film. Right, that's why I meant depending on your point of view. We have the essence of what JW wrote, just not multiple takes of the same music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 For some reason, I felt like more was missing. That is great to know. I will listen to that today. It really still is an exhaustively comprehensive package and worth every penny. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, crumbs said: How detailed was the sheet music leak? Wouldn't that reveal if the percussion in 3M5/5A Bonding With The Hippogriff and Sir Cadogan Again matches the percussion heard in the final film, previously speculated as a sound effects team addition? I literally linked to the sheet music page in my post. Brothersound posting that was the first time I'd seen that; It wasn't in the old sheet music leak from 10+ years ago everyone has Quote Seems like it's only 3M5A, Sir Cadogan Again. The music at the end of the film is 100% the same as the album take (albeit truncated). I wonder if there were 3 takes recorded, or rather 3 main versions which could have been edits of multiple takes 1) the 3M13 tempo with percussion (what we see in the sheets) 2) the 3M13 tempo without percussion (on the OST/LLL, and used at the end of the film) 3) the 3M5A tempo with percussion and fermatta ending (seen in the new sheet page posted, heard in the film where intended) blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Jay said: Right, that's why I meant depending on your point of view. We have the essence of what JW wrote, just not both of the two different takes of the same written music Out of interest, was there ever discussion about including the film version of Quidditch, Third Year, sans the choral overlay? I assume the choir was recorded as a separate element and Cuaron just opted to use the original recording without the overlay (seeing as the music doesn't sound artificially manipulated in the film mix or anything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Sorry to belabor this point, but the LLL has all the Defay Ensemble music from the original album? Or is it truncated and/or different in some way from the OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jay said: I literally linked to the sheet music page in my post. Brothersound posting that was the first time I'd seen that; It wasn't in the old sheet music leak from 10+ years ago everyone has Sorry, I can't read sheet music and figured that page you linked was only an excerpt of a more comprehensive leak (not just the recorder part, which seems to be the only fragment of that cue to leak). 3 minutes ago, blondheim said: Sorry to belabor this point, but the LLL has all the Defay Ensemble music from the original album? Or is it truncated and/or different in some way from the OST? Yes, it's all there at the end of track 10 on disc 1. The LLL has pretty much everything the OST has, barring a cymbal crash at the start of Buckbeak's Flight in the credits suite (and a few subtle mixing differences in places). blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, crumbs said: Out of interest, was there ever discussion about including the film version of Quidditch, Third Year, sans the choral overlay? I assume the choir was recorded as a separate element and Cuaron just opted to use the original recording without the overlay (seeing as the music doesn't sound artificially manipulated in the film mix or anything). There would have been no room for something like that, and I doubt JW would have approved it 7 minutes ago, blondheim said: Sorry to belabor this point, but the LLL has all the Defay Ensemble music from the original album? Or is it truncated and/or different in some way from the OST? It's the same on the OST and on the LLL. On the OST, it appears in the track "Hagrid The Professor" from 0:00-0:30. On the LLL, it appears in the track "The Courtyard and Sir Cadogan" from 0:47-end. 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: Sorry, I can't read sheet music and figured that page you linked was only an excerpt of a more comprehensive leak (not just the recorder part, which seems to be the only fragment of that cue to leak). I can't either, but you can start to learn by looking at this stuff enough. If you pull it up and look at it, you can see there's stuff going on in the first 6 bars, yea? Then it's empty for 24 straight bars, right? But there is a symbol in bar 30? The music in the first 6 bars is the "Bonding With The Hippogriff cue" dropped from the film, but on the LLL at the end of Befriending the Hippogriff. The notation on bar 30 indicates a fermatta ending, which is how the Cadogan music ends in the 3M5A scene in the film, but not how it ends in the originally intended 3M13 version, like heard on the OST/LLL. Quote The LLL has pretty much everything the OST has, barring a cymbal crash at the start of Buckbeak's Flight in the credits suite (and a few subtle mixing differences in places). Can you remind me what mixing differences there are? blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,474 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Wait, the film version of Quidditch, Third Year, does not include the choir? That's disappointing, I always liked that part with the choir. I haven't seen the movie in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: The LLL has pretty much everything the OST has, barring a cymbal crash at the start of Buckbeak's Flight in the credits suite Interesting! Was this omission a request by JW? 2 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Wait, the film version of Quidditch, Third Year, does not include the choir? That's disappointing, I always liked that part with the choir. Just listen to the LLL set then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jay said: There would have been no room for something like that, and I doubt JW would have approved it Oh, I meant having the non-vocal version in the film score track (Page 394 And Quidditch, Third Year) and the choral version in the bonus section (Quidditch, Third Year, which presumably needed to match the OST version). Fair enough if JW wouldn't have approved it though, if he didn't intend it that way. Just curious because I always preferred the film version and would've loved to hear it clean. The huge orchestral swell that gives way to an eerie silence, in conjunction with the striking visuals, works very effectively in the film (moreso than the choral outburst that JW intended). I think Cuaron got this one right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,352 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Wait, the film version of Quidditch, Third Year, does not include the choir? That's disappointing, I always liked that part with the choir. I haven't seen the movie in years. It does have the choir. And I don't like it, I prefer the film version. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,319 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Wait, the film version of Quidditch, Third Year, does not include the choir? That's disappointing, I always liked that part with the choir. No, all 3 released versions of Quidditch, Third Year include the choir (twice on the LLL and once on the OST). A version without vocals (as it appears in the film) has never been released, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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