Popular Post rpvee 542 Posted October 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2021 Currently intermission at Symphony Hall. The encore for the first half was Williams and Mutter doing a violin arrangement of his love theme from “The Long Goodbye”, which I believe was new (especially based on his speech beforehand, which said how there had been vocal versions but never one for an instrumentalist until this one for Mutter). Timo Martikainen, Falstaft, pete and 14 others 9 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 12591 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Wow! Awesome! rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1108 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Awesome! I can’t wait to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 3368 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I love that he is (finally) mining his gems from decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 12591 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Any descriptions of how it sounded? Was this broadcast anywhere or recorded?? Were there any other new film arrangements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 542 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 53 minutes ago, crumbs said: Any descriptions of how it sounded? Was this broadcast anywhere or recorded?? Were there any other new film arrangements? An ear more familiar with the original could comment on the sound more than me, but I do believe this concert will be broadcast on the radio. It was the only film piece of the night, though there’ll be two more on Sunday (which I was hoping would be final encores tonight, but there were no encores at all and Williams didn’t appear in the second half). Amer and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5782 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Love theme? Did they call it that? It's basically just that one theme that is used for all kinds of different circumstances. It's not a love theme, really. But cool that they played it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1034 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 This is one of my favourite Williams scores. Such a wonderful addition. Looking forward to listen to the Saturday broadcast. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 542 Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Thor said: Love theme? Did they call it that? It's basically just that one theme that is used for all kinds of different circumstances. It's not a love theme, really. But cool that they played it. That’s what Williams himself called it, if I recall correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 513 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I thought it was always known as the love theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5782 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I don't have the new release, only the old coupled with FITZWILLY. There is no 'love theme' denomination there. Which makes sense, since there isn't really any pronounced love story in the film (Marlowe certainly doesn't have one). If anything, the soulful, longing main theme/song is a commentary on the casual acquaintances in the film that end pretty much before they begin. Of course, what people choose to call it is a different story, but 'love theme' is somewhat of a misnomer in regards to the film's story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 513 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Isn't "Love Theme" just sometimes a designation given to any beautiful theme used in media, at least back in the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5782 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said: Isn't "Love Theme" just sometimes a designation given to any beautiful theme used in media, at least back in the day? Yeah. I'm guessing that's what happened here. If you disregard the film and its plot, and just heard the theme on its own, I guess you could say it connoted love of some sort, or a painful break-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4974 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I wonder if JW has repurposed the beautiful orchestral arrangement of the song he conducted for Harry Connick jr. during a Pops concert in 2001. Sandor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 9310 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 The Casual Acquaintances Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5782 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: The Casual Acquaintances Theme. That would be more fitting, actually. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1034 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 If memory serves, the Love Theme track is used when Marlowe is talking with Mrs. Wade and she kinds of flirts with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1621 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Wow, awesome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 697 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 “Flirty Theme from The Long Goodbye for solo violin and orchestra” just doesn’t have the same ring to it. crumbs and Miguel Andrade 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 657 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 On 01/10/2021 at 6:42 PM, TownerFan said: I wonder if JW has repurposed the beautiful orchestral arrangement of the song he conducted for Harry Connick jr. during a Pops concert in 2001. Yes, this is one of the most beautiful arrangements I've ever heard. Do you know if Williams did it himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1034 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Sandor said: Yes, this is one of the most beautiful arrangements I've ever heard. Do you know if Williams did it himself? That one was arranged by Sammy Nestico. TownerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 259 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 02/10/2021 at 6:47 PM, Miguel Andrade said: That one was arranged by Sammy Nestico. Is there a recording of that anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1034 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 11 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: Is there a recording of that anywhere? There was one on youtube, but can't find it anymore... WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1400 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Late to the party, but… wow! Hope we get a recording. On “Williams/Mutter Vol. 2” perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4072 Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2021 'Um well technically there is no love in that film since the main chara..' NO!! Jaysus christ. If Williams called it a Love Theme, it's a fucking Love Theme, okay? Jurassic Shark, Holko and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5782 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Ha, ha. Well, Williams can call it the "Pink Elephant Theme" for all I care. It still makes very little sense in relation to the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4072 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Who cares either way. I think the lyrics even imply it's somewhat a love theme - albeit one of walking away from a lover and the emotional toll that takes on someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 12591 Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Thor said: Ha, ha. Well, Williams can call it the "Pink Elephant Theme" for all I care. It still makes very little sense in relation to the movie. The whole point of the theme is that it's malleable. The same notes can convey a 'love theme,' a 'dramatic theme,' a jazzy/blues theme, etc. depending on how Williams presents it. Clearly this particular arrangement is what JW considers the 'love theme' mode of the melody. Not sure how that makes "very little sense" -- arguably it makes perfect sense! The score's only soundtrack release has a track literally called Love Theme from "The Long Goodbye." Muad'Dib, Miguel Andrade and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 3368 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I remember Williams being interviewed when the fifth installment of the movie series came out. He gushed over how he finally got to write a love theme for one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5782 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, crumbs said: Clearly this particular arrangement is what JW considers the 'love theme' mode of the melody. Not sure how that makes "very little sense" -- arguably it makes perfect sense! Again, I don't care what Williams calls it. He, or whoever, can call it whatever they want. That still doesn't mean there's any love story in the movie. Flirtation and faint acquaintances at best. For those who don't understand my puzzlement over this denomination, I suggest watching the film for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 2485 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 2 hours ago, crumbs said: The whole point of the theme is that it's malleable. The same notes can convey a 'love theme,' a 'dramatic theme,' a jazzy/blues theme, etc. depending on how Williams presents it. Clearly this particular arrangement is what JW considers the 'love theme' mode of the melody. Not sure how that makes "very little sense" -- arguably it makes perfect sense! The score's only soundtrack release has a track literally called Love Theme from "The Long Goodbye." But after all a theme is a theme. It is actually the sequence of notes, right. Just because in one track it is fast and has hammering timpanis and string ostinati for action and then it is slow with underlying romantic chords it is not one time the action theme and then the love theme. It is always the same theme. At least that is how I understand the term "theme". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 12591 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 19 minutes ago, Thor said: That still doesn't mean there's any love story in the movie. Flirtation and faint acquaintances at best. For those who don't understand my puzzlement over this denomination, I suggest watching the film for yourself. I've seen the movie quite recently actually. Your observation above is irrelevant to the point. I'm not arguing whether or not the film has a love story. This arrangement isn't called Theme For The Love Story From The Long Goodbye. It's just the main theme in a "love theme" mode. One could argue Williams is being ironic with the title, because he's plainly aware the film has only one theme. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5782 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, crumbs said: It's just the main theme in a "love theme" mode. One could argue Williams is being ironic with the title, because he's plainly aware the film has only one theme. 'Love theme mode' is a fairly subjective term, whereas whether or not a film has a love story is a fairly objective observation. But yeah -- he could have named it ironically, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 12591 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Oh I agree there's no real love story in the film. Personally I didn't care for the film at all, but that's another story. Still, I'd be happy to see Williams tackling random projects like this nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15466 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 It's definitely among 10 favorite movies with a Williams score. But I'm a huge Altman fan anyway. Miguel Andrade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 30937 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 3 hours ago, crumbs said: The score's only soundtrack release has a track literally called Love Theme from "The Long Goodbye." Only? Varese put out one version in 2004, and Quartet put out a different version in 2012 (reissued in 2015). Neither are complete. https://www.discogs.com/release/5005803-Johnny-Williams-Fitzwilly-The-Long-Goodbye https://www.discogs.com/master/915608-John-Williams-The-Long-Goodbye-Original-MGM-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 750 Posted October 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jay said: Varese put out one version in 2004, and Quartet put out a different version in 2012 (reissued in 2015). Neither is complete. As long as we're all nitpicking, fixed! Jurassic Shark, Taikomochi, crumbs and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 12591 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Only? Varese put out one version in 2004, and Quartet put out a different version in 2012 (reissued in 2015). Neither are complete. https://www.discogs.com/release/5005803-Johnny-Williams-Fitzwilly-The-Long-Goodbye https://www.discogs.com/master/915608-John-Williams-The-Long-Goodbye-Original-MGM-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack Eh, the first release was just an incomplete selection of tracks appended to another release. Not really a soundtrack in its own right, especially when it was superseded by a greatly expanded standalone album. IMO anyway. Both are incomplete regardless and it would be great to see better elements found and a new release produced by Mike someday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 9310 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 I wonder if Mike has a drawer of lost master elements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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