Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I'd love to read more discussion about it! Stay tuned for something coming soon KittBash, crumbs, Holko and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 That's going to be wonderful, but I meant more posts from JWFanners who have bought and listened to the set would be nice to see TownerFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 What's there to discuss? It's brilliant. It took me to read the liner notes to this set to realise Williams wrote the lovely Russian theme for this film. I should know really because I've seen the stage version some years ago. It's one of my favourites. I loves how he weaves it into Tradition. Speaking of that theme, it's a shame a couple cues, most notably brilliant The Russian Church, had to be sourced from poor sources but I'll will still take it over not having them at all. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Isn't it amazing what film studios keep pristine and their vaults and what they don't? There's no rhyme or reason to it. Often it seems like the more popular the film, the less-good-condition the materials are in crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted March 4, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2022 Quote NEW PODCAST EPISODE! BACK TO ANATEVKA: MORE TALK ON 'FIDDLER ON THE ROOF' 50th ANNIVERSARY SOUNDTRACK EDITION The Legacy of John Williams goes back to Anatevka for the long-awaited 2nd part of the discussion on Fiddler On The Roof 50th Anniversary Soundtrack Edition. The 3-disc set released by La-La Land Records was the subject of an in-depth talk and feature article published last December, and now Soundtrack Producer MIKE MATESSINO returns to offer more eloquent thoughts and insights about the 1971 classic film by Norman Jewison and the painstaking restoration process he went through to bring new life to the Academy Award-winning adaptation score by John Williams. With kind permission of Mr. Matessino, you'll hear a few exclusive music excerpts featuring material not heard anywhere else. This second act is also enriched by the presence of leading Broadway Music Director and Conductor ANDY EINHORN, who joins to talk about the world-premiere concert performance of John Williams’ orchestrations for Fiddler On The Roof in a lightly-staged production of the Bock/Harnick musical. The project was spearheaded by the UMS in collaboration with The Philadelphia Orchestra and the University of Michigan School of Music, Theatre & Dance and premiered on February 19 and 20 at the Hill Auditorium and it's being performed this weekend (March 5 and 6) at the Kimmel Centre with Einhorn conducting The Philadelphia Orchestra. Einhorn talks about the challenges he faced to put the project together and the thrill of hearing Williams’ sumptuous orchestrations performed live for the first time in 50 years, while also reflecting on the timelessness of Fiddler On The Roof and its relevance for today’s audiences. Hosted by Maurizio Caschetto and Tim Burden. https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2022/03/04/fiddler-on-the-roof-podcast-pt2/ Hope you'll like this, gents. Plenty of stuff to sink your teeth into. Jay, KittBash, BB-8 and 10 others 5 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 An amazing talk again! Insight into the assembly and background, fawning over JW, connections with other scores, analysis of parts of the film, fascinating instrumentals (hopefully convincing some people that while very interesting, they can be very empty without the vocals and wouldn't have a great place on the LLL). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,372 Posted March 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2022 I think a while back someone was asking about digital covers to use for each disc in their music player of choice. I came across these online and figured I'd post here. Spoiler KittBash, Dr. Rick and Chewy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 516 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Ordered it together with Jurassic park Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Yea it's back in stock https://lalalandrecords.com/fiddler-on-the-roof-50th-anniversary-remastered-limited-edition-3-cd-set/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,371 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Just enjoyed the movie for the first time. In the German synchronization (which is really well done by the way) and was surprised that all the songs were there translated and actually sung in German. But it makes sense as the musical exists in a German translation for stage anyway. But therefore, I thought that all the songs, including Tradition, should somehow exist as pure instrumental recordings. I guess the tapes with the pure instrumental recordings, that were used as basis for the singers are lost somehow? Or was it a decision on pupose to just go for the sung versions? I wonder, as we know from the "Can you read my mind" discussions, that went on for ages, that JW fans are highly interested in the instrumental versions. And I think, for Tradition it really would have made sense to have at least one instrumental version. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Mike, of course, had all the fully instrumental recordings, and discussed on Maurizio's podcast how he'd love to build a music only track for a blu ray release of the film if MGM was interested. JW would never approve of them being released on an album. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Because it's such a great song, I don't mind not having an instrumental version of "Tradition". "Can You Read My Mind", on the other hand, is an entirely different kettle of fish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Tradition especially has stretches of repetitive minimal material for Tevye's speeches, and like for many of the other songs, sections where the music just works around and supports the main melody which is only set for voice(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, Jay said: Mike, of course, had all the fully instrumental recordings, and discussed on Maurizio's podcast how he'd love to build a music only track for a blu ray release of the film if MGM was interested. JW would never approve of them being released on an album. For Tom Sawyer he approved the karaoke tracks on the expansion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 That is incorrect. The people at Quartet released that album without Williams' approval. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jay said: That is incorrect. The people at Quartet released that album without Williams' approval. Oh Sorry, shhhhhttt! Don't tell him! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 He knows about it. Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 OMG! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted September 19, 2022 Share Posted September 19, 2022 Listened again to my assembly (chrono, switching between versions here and there, Tradition EQd to be less bright). This is such a fantastic score, JW's new material fits seamlesly between his lovely big orchestral arrangements of these great songs, and Mike's booklet with Jim's design is almost worth the price of admissiom on its own! Once and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mulder 154 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 There is a documentary with cartoon John Williams on the poster. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13660266/?ref_=tt_mv_desc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 19 minutes ago, Darth Mulder said: There is a documentary with cartoon John Williams on the poster. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13660266/?ref_=tt_mv_desc https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34621-fiddlers-journey-to-the-big-screen-2022-documentary-features-john-williams/ Darth Mulder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 12:22 PM, Darth Mulder said: There is a documentary with cartoon John Williams on the poster. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13660266/?ref_=tt_mv_desc This is cartoon John Williams: Jay and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 I've never seen the movie. How good is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Very very very! Chewy and karelm 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 14 hours ago, karelm said: I've never seen the movie. How good is it? I think it is a must-see movie. Especially as a fan of John Williams, it's very important to see the full context for this early, important work of his. But beyond that, it's important to get the context for all the huge songs in this that have been in pop culture ever since. But beyond that, it features an interesting and relevant story about a people forced to leave their homes behind Whether or not in the end you will like it or think it was a "good" film, you'll be happy you saw it at least once for sure. Just be prepared to set aside 3 full hours, and to be depressed at the end Holko and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I think it is a must-see movie. Especially as a fan of John Williams, it's very important to see the full context for this early, important work of his. But beyond that, it's important to get the context for all the huge songs in this that have been in pop culture ever since. But beyond that, it features an interesting and relevant story about a people forced to leave their homes behind Whether or not in the end you will like it or think it was a "good" film, you'll be happy you saw it at least once for sure. Just be prepared to set aside 3 full hours, and to be depressed at the end Sounds like my kind of movie. I recently saw Cleopatra for the first time in its original theatrical cut and absolutely loved it! Saw it in a single sitting it was so engrossing, and it was nearly 5 hours long!!!! But wow such a film. I can probably handle 3 measly hours for this film then. Will add to my watch later list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,371 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Jay said: But beyond that, it features an interesting and relevant story about a people forced to leave their homes behind I found it to be much more than that. Especially interesting I found it from the view point of a globalized world and all related problems including increasing streams of refugees, global shortage of resorces, all the struggles and predjudices but also the joy and the values they had in that village micro cosmos with basically just two different cultures sharing one enviroment. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 It's about a closed world with a seemingly comfortable enough set of values gradually opening up and evolving to be more modern, the opposition of free youth and conservative parents, both layered and eventually understanding. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 It's an american musical comedy... annoying like every american musical comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 It's definitely not a comedy Well, the the first half can be considered one, but not the second half! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Fiddler on the Roof is not a comedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Yea, it's a drama with some comedic elements in the first hour or so Have you seen it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, Jay said: Yea, it's a drama with some comedic elements in the first hour or so Have you seen it? Many times and I have the DVD. I'm not a fan of musicals, of USA musicals, like Broadway, etc. It's a cultural thing, very american. Even in Canada, we don't have this tradition (TRADITION!). Even less so in French Canada. When we produce a musical here in Quebec (some people seems to enjoy them...), it’s always a french adaptation of a well-known American musical. Annie, The Addams Family, The Sound of Music, Mary Poppins, Irma la douce, Cabaret, My Fair Lady... and indeed Fiddler on the Roof. In Québec, Luc Plamondon wrote some very sucessfull "musicals", like STARMANIA (he prefers to use the term "Opera Rock", music by Michel Berger), but then again, it's very different from "American" musicals. He also wrote the lyrics of "Notre-Dame de Paris" (music by Riccardo Cocciante), maybe you heard about it... Then, to come back to Fiddler on the Roof, you can't ignore the fact that it's an humoristic story about a very conservative jewish community of the beginning of the 20th century. Here in Québec, the members of the important jewish community we have (in Montréal) is english speaking for the most part. We live "side by side", unfortunately, not together... Long story short, I’ll tell you there’s a big cultural divide between me and Fiddler on the Roof! Of course, the "message" of this musical is international... and that's why it is liked by people all around the world. But... John Williams... that's the only reason I kind of "like" this musical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 so you said nothing about why you don't like it or why it's a comedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 I don't like comedies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 16 hours ago, Holko said: or why it's a comedy ? When I was a kid I thought of Sweeney Todd as a comedy. It has some truly hilarious bits in it. But "A Little Priest" doesn't make it a comedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: ? When I was a kid I thought of Sweeney Todd as a comedy. It has some truly hilarious bits in it. But "A Little Priest" doesn't make it a comedy. Tell that to Bespin who says Fiddler is a comedy for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 53 minutes ago, Holko said: Tell that to Bespin who says Fiddler is a comedy for some reason. I thought I just did! I've never gotten into the film of Fiddler, the illustrious Oscar winning composer notwithstanding. I think the play is alright so it's not like I hate the source material. But what do I know? I love The Sound of Music but I never liked Wise's West Side Story. My Fair Lady is one of my favorite films ever. I really really want to like Camelot a lot more than I do. I have a sneaking suspicion I liked Oliver but I haven't seen it since I was 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted October 18, 2022 Share Posted October 18, 2022 Play the nightmare scene to torture me. This is one of the most annoying piece of film and music ever created! I guess in the theater play (which I never saw) it was sureley not THAT intense, well I hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,914 Posted October 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2022 I just saw Fiddler on the Roof for the first time. Fantastic film! Excellent writing, directing, and casting. To anyone else like me who's never seen it before, please stop reading further till you see the film. The first 30 minutes or so were frankly jarring because of how over the top the acting was. It came across as silly caricatures. By the time "Matchmaker, matchmaker find me a catch" played around 30 minutes in to the 3 hours of playtime, I kind of wanted to throw up. But the film slowly shifted from silly to sweet and from sweet to intensely grim. There is so much to admire in this film. I absolutely loved how I expected it to be one thing (silly) and it turned out to be so rich and complex. Love it when films reward audience patience and time investment which is very rare! Topal is so freaking lovable in this role. How he wears his emotions on his face and acts so beautifully without saying anything, flawed as he is, he has a very sincere and kind heart. He truly loved his daughters and his trying so hard to balance progress with tradition. It is so beautifully encapsulated in his various monologues. Of course, at the start of the film, he narrates a lot but notice he doesn't at all in the third act. We get it. His face says it all. One of the most beautiful moments for me was when his daughter, Hodel, sang about her love and how Tevye (Topal) had this pained look on his face without saying a word. The look wasn't really pain - it was hurt...sorrow not pain. Not the same thing. It was such a tender and beautiful moment because he was losing his daughter to a strange man that challenged his tradition. As the film progressed further, each suiter challenged it further to the breaking point. Absolutely loved the Tevye's monologues and how it was acted and directed. Though I've never seen this film before, I believe Topal was born for this role, he embodied it so perfectly. By the end of the film, I felt it was a masterpiece of cinema, character building, and storytelling. I LOVED IT! I was sad when it was over because, so few films are so well made. The score was fantastic. As a lifelong fan of John Williams, I knew this was his first Oscar win. He didn't compose the score per se, but arranged the music and added additional cinematic moments that I think are immediately clear are his creations his style is so recognizable. A lovely film that like the very finest art, is still relevant and timely in its complex message. Pellaeon, Once, Holko and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 The most striking addition by JW is the Main Title (concerto for violin virtuoso), which is just not present at all in the stage musical. I have seen the movie many times (love it), and I also saw it off-Broadway a decade or two back. Was nonplussed by the stage show. Tiny orchestra more like a band, nobody could sing, the acting was rushed and hokey. But then I saw it at Chicago Lyric Opera this year, WOW was it good. Tears streaming down my face the entire time. Large orchestra, of course, and absolutely magnificent chorus (full disclosure: my wife is in it). They really captured the pathos of the movie. And the dancing really is something else to behold in person. karelm and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 5 hours ago, karelm said: The first 30 minutes or so were frankly jarring because of how over the top the acting was. It came across as silly caricatures. It does start very much as stage acting, yes. But glad you stuck with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I went in having no clue it was such a dark and depressing movie, so was really surprised by where the story goes, and the massive tone shift when I saw it. As time has gone on since I've found myself thinking about this movie often, more than I was expecting. And it turns up everywhere - just this weekend I was listening to a House of the Dragon podcast, and one of the hosts likened a scene to Do You Love Me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,529 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, Jay said: Do You Love Me? It's not one of the Big Ones, but it's still one of my favourite songs/scenes - how after a quarter of a century of just accepting Tradition and the way things are, now that through their daughters societal change is starting to bleed into their lives, they're suddenly starting to look at their relationship through a whole new perspective. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 10 hours ago, Pellaeon said: The most striking addition by JW is the Main Title (concerto for violin virtuoso), which is just not present at all in the stage musical. I have seen the movie many times (love it), and I also saw it off-Broadway a decade or two back. Was nonplussed by the stage show. Tiny orchestra more like a band, nobody could sing, the acting was rushed and hokey. But then I saw it at Chicago Lyric Opera this year, WOW was it good. Tears streaming down my face the entire time. Large orchestra, of course, and absolutely magnificent chorus (full disclosure: my wife is in it). They really captured the pathos of the movie. And the dancing really is something else to behold in person. There are lots of entr'actes that you can immediately tell are pure JW. Like this one was quite memorable and probably the most epic/dramatic musical moment from Johnny up to that point before he started doing the blockbusters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Is it just me, or does the volume sort of awkwardly dip and then slide back up towards the end of “Miracle of Miracles (Alternate),” at around 1:49 when he sings “God has given you to me”? It sounded fine with my laptop speakers, but listening with headphones it is kind of jarring… There is a split second at the start of “God” where it sounds almost like someone pushes the volume slider up, from nothing. EDIT: For those who don’t have it, you can hear it at 0:49 of the preview clip posted on LLL’s site: https://johndadlez.com/MP3/Fiddler_On_The_Roof/2_06_MOM_A.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Anyone? The more I listen to it, the more unsure I am of whether I’m just imagining things, or whether the volume actually does jump up really quickly at that spot. My understanding is that this ending is an insert that was recorded separately and tacked onto the end of the main song recording, so I’m wondering if that has something to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimwilson 256 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I hear the music stop.... then start again. Fairly sure you're just hearing a performance thing. Doesn't sound like a mix thing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I hear it. Don’t know enough about the recording, sourcing of elements, mixing, etc for this score, but there’s definitely a weird shift mid-word that doesn’t seem related to the performance itself. Jurassic Shark and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, bigjimwilson said: I hear the music stop.... then start again. Fairly sure you're just hearing a performance thing. Doesn't sound like a mix thing to me. I wondered that, but in the film itself his voice seems a bit louder/more immediate, right at the start of the note (1:47). Who knows, though; it could be my ears playing tricks on me... 1 hour ago, mstrox said: I hear it. Don’t know enough about the recording, sourcing of elements, mixing, etc for this score, but there’s definitely a weird shift mid-word that doesn’t seem related to the performance itself. Yeah, I wonder too if it could be something due to the elements MM was using. It’s hard to imagine it just being an oversight, but then again nobody’s perfect. For the most, part the sound on this release is absolutely fantastic; this was just something weird I noticed and wasn’t sure what to make of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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