Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted December 19, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2023 I thought someone else would have started a thread dedicated to this by now, but I'll do it! These two new compositions premiered in Pittsburgh on December 12th. Some descriptions of the new arrangements are in the thread for that concert, starting here. There does not appear to be any videos of them posted to youtube (surprising!), but the whole concert was recorded and will stream on Stage+ on December 30th: https://www.stage-plus.com/video/live_concert_9HKNCPA3DTN66PBIEHFJAC1M rpvee, Once, rough cut and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 I think this is the first time in the youtube era that there are no videos from a new John Williams concert on youtube. Weird. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,199 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jay said: I think this is the first time in the youtube era that there are no videos from John Williams concert on youtube. Weird. Perhaps ASM's no-phone policy is working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 Ah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 39 minutes ago, Jay said: I think this is the first time in the youtube era that there are no videos from a new John Williams concert on youtube. Weird. There have been no YouTube videos of several recent Williams concerts, probably due to more restrictive control measures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 I hadn't realized! I remember when Helena's Theme debuted at the Hollywood Bowl last year, it was instantly all over twitter and youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,199 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, Jay said: I remember when Helena's Theme debuted at the Hollywood Bowl last year, it was instantly all over twitter and youtube. I figure open air venues have a much harder time enforcing recording policies. The ushers in a concert hall can be very effective in making people put away their phones and/or leave the hall if they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 Yeah, I didn't think of things that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 The ushers in Dublin's National Concert Hall will immediately approach people filming on their phone, even for standard classical music concerts. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Damien F said: The ushers in Dublin's National Concert Hall will immediately approach people filming on their phone, even for standard classical music concerts. Liam Neeson in The Usher. Just when you thought it was safe to take out your phone. WilliamsStarShip2282 and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I like the 2 new pieces except the long violin solo in the middle of Scherzo that has nothing to do with the rest of the piece rpvee and Erik Woods 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,079 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 It's called a cadenza. That_Bloke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: It's call a cadenza. WilliamsStarShip2282 and That_Bloke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Can’t wait to see the concert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I don't like cadenzas then rpvee and Erik Woods 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 It turns out I won’t be able to see it, as a paid subscription is required. Is there a way the concert can be shared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Same, I was so hoping to see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's called a cadenza. I always preferred Kramer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, JohnnyD said: It turns out I won’t be able to see it, as a paid subscription is required. Is there a way the concert can be shared? 2 hours ago, JohnnyD said: It turns out I won’t be able to see it, as a paid subscription is required. Is there a way the concert can be shared? 2 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: Same, I was so hoping to see it You can do a seven day free trial that can be cancelled anytime, according to the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 6 hours ago, King Mark said: I like the 2 new pieces except the long violin solo in the middle of Scherzo that has nothing to do with the rest of the piece Yeah, my first reaction was one of confusion about what the was saying as part of the Scherzo - was it bits of the theme pulled apart or somehow tied - I admit I could not figure it out. I then listened to it again and it felt more natural to me. I did wonder if JW had written the cadenza or if ASM had. There are some other interesting take on tempo that did not feel put together. I hate to write this but I wondered if they needed 1 more rehearsal. Separately, do we consider The Duel from Tintin to be "new" since is newly arranged for violin and cello? Regardless, I liked it. I did enjoy Anakin's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 9 hours ago, JohnnyD said: It turns out I won’t be able to see it, as a paid subscription is required. Is there a way the concert can be shared? ASM mentioned in this post that it will be streamed for free on german TV 3sat on 1 January 2024, 21:45 CET. Maybe you can access it with a VPN from outside Germany/Austria/Switzerland? https://www.instagram.com/p/C1eo64Issnj/?img_index=1 I think you should be able to access the video here after it aired: https://www.3sat.de/kultur/musik/anne-sophie-mutter-pittsburgh-102.html Otherwise directly in the 3sat livestream: https://www.3sat.de/programm/3sat-livestream-100.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 The new arrangements are awesome, in my personal opinion. Scherzo just blew me away! The Schindler's List Trio and the Duel duo concertante were already performed before as mentioned elsewhere, but what a joy to have a proper recording of those. On a side note, I really don't understand what's the problem. Pay a one month subscription and enjoy the concert. Musicians and labels are entitled to have a living... and they do because we are their clients. I gladly pay for my discs and on-line concerts and will continue doing so. Occasionally, some are for free, others aren't, and that's just fine. That_Bloke, Jurassic Shark, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 When and where was the duo version of The Duel played previously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 At the Kennedy Center in Washington D.C., during the 90th birthday celebration, with Mutter and Ma, Denéve conducting. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 Maybe we can do a custom edit to remove the cadenza. Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra 2023 Revised Short Version. Erik Woods 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, King Mark said: Maybe we can do a custom edit to remove the cadenza. Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra 2023 Revised Short Version. Why would anyone want to do that? You don't like this version, you have a few others to enjoy. That_Bloke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I enjoy the rest of it so don't say I shouldn't listen to it if I don't like he cadenza section. I know you take it very personal when other people criticize Williams more abstract concert works but I think my point is valid. And I don't plan to edit it out, that was partly a joke. I never edit out music from Williams pieces even if I don't like a section. I have a lot of respect for you as a Williams fan but keep in mind I've been listening to Williams music as long as you do and he's also my favorite composer ever. Erik Woods 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 555 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 23 hours ago, King Mark said: I like the 2 new pieces except the long violin solo in the middle of Scherzo that has nothing to do with the rest of the piece I agree! It (THE CANDENZA) sucks the energy out of the piece! BTW, I'm no fan of Anne-Sophie Mutter but the arrangement of "The Duel" for solo violin, cello and orchestra was superb! And this particular performance with the Pittsburgh Symphony might be my favourite Mutter/Williams performances of all time... and let me tell you, I don't like anything they've done together. For some reason, in this concert, so far, she wasn't annoying at all. The playfulness between the violin and cello was absolutely spot on, laser sharp and perfectly complemented the spirit of the original cue! -Erik- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 And I still think Williams is at the top of his game at 91. Galaxy's Edge Symphonic Suite, Theme from Obi-Wan, The Rise of Skywalker (concert version), The Adventures of Han, Helena's Theme, The Rebellion is Reborn, Of Grits and Glory, Fanfare for Vienna Ball (unreleased) . All recent pieces that are among his very best even compared to his 70's-80's period. But in an alternate universe I wish all those new Ann Sophie Mutter arrangements he did were written for full orchestra without Ann Sophie Mutter violin solos giving us a bunch of brand new full concert versions of his film themes. Mutter arrangements feel like an offshoot of his Cinema Serenade album. Erik Woods 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 I'm glad I'm not on that alternate universe and that he's doing all this arrangements for Mutter and Markings and the superb Violin Concerto No. 2 (which, along with the Cello Concerto, are my two favorite Williams pieces). Jurassic Shark and Marian Schedenig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,353 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, Miguel Andrade said: I'm glad I'm not on that alternate universe and that he's doing all this arrangements without Mutter and Markings and the superb Orchestra Concerto No. 2 (which, along with the Orchestra Concerto No. 1, are my two favorite Williams pieces). From the alternate universe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,369 Posted December 31, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, King Mark said: Of Grits and Glory Williams's ode to southern breakfast food? Cerebral Cortex, igger6, ThePenitentMan1 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post igger6 894 Posted December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2023 17 minutes ago, Jay said: Williams's ode to southern breakfast food? Beat me to it! It’s his first breakfast-related composition since “A Toast!” Andy, ThePenitentMan1, Jay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,660 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 This version has Tony Dorsett listing off his favorite breakfast items ala the dude in Forrest Gump listing off shrimp dishes. igger6 and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,897 Posted December 31, 2023 Share Posted December 31, 2023 And that's all he's got to say about that. Tom and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Oh wow, the “Duel” performance is really something special. I adore the idea of turning it into an actual duel between violin and cello. The way the performers interact with one another and with Williams… it really highlights the reimagining of these pieces as something to watch being performed as opposed to merely listening. It distills the purpose of what he’s achieved with these late collaborations with Mutter. It’s a true privilege to be able to experience Williams’ music in this context; elevated. It’s as though all those decades of “serious” critics and institutions deriding JW’s music (and film music in general) as a lesser form of art have completely washed away. That they can all see him now, and the ways in which his music has transcended the films they were written for… Not that those views have ever really mattered much to those of us who’ve always loved his music, but there’s a certain satisfaction in knowing that he is now universally considered to be an artist of the highest calibre and integrity by those same institutions. It’s sublime. Cerebral Cortex and rpvee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 5 hours ago, Presto said: From the alternate universe... Alternate Universe # 2 he's doing all these arrangements for YoYoMa 1 hour ago, Docteur Qui said: It’s as though all those decades of “serious” critics and institutions deriding JW’s music (and film music in general) as a lesser form of art have completely washed away. That they can all see him now, and the ways in which his music has transcended the films they were written for… Not that those views have ever really mattered much to those of us who’ve always loved his music, but there’s a certain satisfaction in knowing that he is now universally considered to be an artist of the highest calibre and integrity by those same institutions. It’s sublime. Yeah that was always my wish too and I'm happy prestigious orchestras want to perform his music as equal to classical music. And if the Mutter arrangements help in that way it's positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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